Hey Daddy, Go Fuck Yourself!

[RockHardNYC]

1 hour ago, SexyAsianStud said:

it's not a question even of being "racist" or "non-racist"..... one is either "racist" or "anti-racist - there are no innocent bystanders

Well, in fairness. Daddy and Co. did award JDDaniels Escort of the Year. And the last time I looked, JD was Black. If Daddy and Co. were ranking leaders of the KKK, I sincerely doubt JD would have come within his dick's length distance to that award no matter how much money Kesslar was willing to donate.

Speaking of Escort of the Year, let's talk about the fiasco that always was and the disastrous handling of it by Daddy and Co. I'm always ready to laugh more.

[SexyAsianStud]

2 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said:

Well, in fairness. Daddy and Co. did award JDDaniels Escort of the Year. And the last time I looked, JD was Black. If Daddy and Co. were ranking leaders of the KKK, I sincerely doubt JD would have come within his dick's length distance to that award no matter how much money Kesslar was willing to donate.

Speaking of Escort of the Year, let's talk about the fiasco that always was and the disastrous handling of it by Daddy and Co. I'm always ready to laugh more.

And, much like Muhammad Ali, Mr. Daniels was stripped of his title.

I have read about that entire episode and what a shit-show it was for everyone concerned (it seems to me....) 

I would only posit that fetishizing a big black cock is not a form of anti-racism.... it can be, in fact, quite the opposite.

[Buddy2]

1 minute ago, RockHardNYC said:

Well, in fairness. Daddy and Co. did award JDDaniels Escort of the Year. And the last time I looked, JD was Black. If Daddy and Co. were ranking leaders of the KKK, I sincerely doubt JD would have come within his dick's length distance to that award no matter how much money Kesslar was willing to donate.

Speaking of Escort of the Year, let's talk about the fiasco that always was and the disastrous handling of it by Daddy and Co. I'm always ready to laugh more.

Kesslar and Daniels were enemies by the time voting started for escort of the year. Kesslar campaiged against Daniels and loudly 

 

Butjhe still won, showing the award was fair at least when it was announced

[RockHardNYC]

28 minutes ago, caeron said:

that board always had a sizeable faction that hired not because they liked to have sex with hot guys but because they liked the feeling of power they got. They get off on feeling better than the men they hire. They like looking down on them, and calling them names. Their own fragile sense of self-worth I would imagine would be steadied by imagining (incorrectly) escorts were more loathsome than themselves.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but I have to say, I don't know one person who enjoys hiring escorts for that reason, and I'm not aware of ever meeting one. Of course, you never really know someone until the door is closed and we strip naked together.

I admit my perspective on this is limited, and very biased to NYC. Here, lots of gay men aren't looking for fake love of needy boyfriends. Hiring an escort is like hiring a massage therapist: your body gets a fun workout as well as your cock and ass. What's not to love? 

[RockHardNYC]

3 minutes ago, SexyAsianStud said:

Mr. Daniels was stripped of his title.

JD sure did FORCE Daddy's hand, making Daddy's life utterly miserable. Karma is indeed sweet. One might think such heinous behavior could turn Daddy racist. I'll leave that for others to speculate.

[Buddy2]

4 minutes ago, SexyAsianStud said:

And, much like Muhammad Ali, Mr. Daniels was stripped of his title.

I have read about that entire episode and what a shit-show it was for everyone concerned (it seems to me....) 

I would only posit that fetishizing a big black cock is not a form of anti-racism.... it can be, in fact, quite the opposite.

Daniels was careless. He sent members Kesslar's emails just for fun and revenge.

[SexyAsianStud]

Is "Escort of the Year" no longer a thing?

[RockHardNYC]

38 minutes ago, caeron said:

The internet is an ocean of assholes. You will go mad arguing with them if you try.

I have no intention of going mad over anything. I know how to keep my brain as healthy as my body. 

I pick and choose the internet assholes I wish to mock and slay, and I have a damn fun time exposing the HYPOCRITES, TROLLS, and ASSHOLES.

[RockHardNYC]

27 minutes ago, SexyAsianStud said:

Is "Escort of the Year" no longer a thing?

No, but I think it's a thong.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[Buddy2]

What happened to poor jd Daniels.

 

A warning to stay clear of Mr. Kesslar.

[caeron]

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

It's an interesting hypothesis, but I have to say, I don't know one person who enjoys hiring escorts for that reason, and I'm not aware of ever meeting one. Of course, you never really know someone until the door is closed and we strip naked together.

I admit my perspective on this is limited, and very biased to NYC. Here, lots of gay men aren't looking for fake love of needy boyfriends. Hiring an escort is like hiring a massage therapist: your body gets a fun workout as well as your cock and ass. What's not to love? 

 

I don't know  any of those people personally. I can only speculate based upon their behavior in that forum. The insults that many tried to pass off as clever said much more about the speakers than those to whom they tendered such insults. While hiring I have never met anybody like that either. But then I haven't ever met anybody who speaks that way about the people they want to pay to fuck either.

It's a mystery.

But like that strange dead animal beside the road, it's better to just leave some things a mystery and move on past. Do you really want to get close enough to see the maggots squirming?

[RockHardNYC]

43 minutes ago, caeron said:

Do you really want to get close enough to see the maggots squirming?

For this very reason, I opted to stay away from Hooboy's Forum for a long time. If a Hooboy hater said he loved fucking so-and-so escort, I had to write so-and-so escort off my list of potential hires. I could not get beyond the thought of sharing sex with an escort who was also sharing sex with a Hooboy hater. The thought really turned me off.

When I finally decided to join Hooboy's forum and begin posting, my list of potential escort hires endured a serious edit. The more I was turned off, the lighter the list got. When I discovered the number of SCUM escorts who made Hooboy's board their GAME, those escort names definitely got crossed off the list. In this respect, Hooboy's board helped me edit. It exposed a lot of SCUM to me. I am always only interested in spending my money on quality guys. I had no interest in the trash, or those who liked to play with trash.

In order for my fantasy to work, my brain needs to believe I'm taking a chance on a quality guy. And here lies the problem with escort forums. If an escort reveals himself to be undesirable in any way, my fantasy drops DEAD. No hire. In particular, I would rather an escort keep his politics secret (among other things). I really don't want to know that he voted for Trump or sucked Doug69's cock. Escorting is mostly about fantasy and perception. Kill both, and my wallet stays closed.

Edited June 10, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[caeron]

 

I agree that some escorts seemed very adept at making me want them less by opening their virtual mouths over there. 

Fantasies are delicate things. I am past the age where anything could get me off. Now I need to be properly sold !

Edited June 10, 2020 by caeron

[lookin]

On 6/4/2020 at 7:03 PM, TotallyOz said:

. . . anyone who posts that the Black Lives Matter movement is irrelevant when so many others struggle, are missing the entire point.

Couldn't agree more, OZ.  

I've never felt that Black Lives Matter means that white lives don't matter.  What it's always meant to me is that black lives seem not to have mattered in the past and now it's time that they do.

As far as I can tell, those who hear Black Lives Matter and then parrot All Lives Matter or White Lives Matter are folks with a zero-sum viewpoint.  They think that, if a black life matters more, then a white life must matter less.  Personally, I don't believe that's true, nor have I ever been a fan of zero-sum thinking.

Like our President, I enjoy making deals but, unlike our President, I don't enjoy zero-sum deals where, in order for me to win, the other person has to lose.  Maybe that's what his life experiences have taught him but it's sure not what my life experiences have taught me.  I've found that, if I've got a deal where the other person is a loser, there's still more work to do.

A deal where there's a loser is unstable.  The "loser" is going to be unhappy and will be looking for a do-over at best and revenge at worst.  Much better for both parties to end up with a smile on their face.  For me, it's always been a matter of increasing the size of the pie so that both parties get a bigger slice. It may take a little more work, but it's well worth the effort.

Even if it takes a lot more work, it's well worth the effort.  Who wants to be surrounded by disgruntled colleagues?

And even if I come out of a deal with a little bit less than I otherwise might, it's worth it to have partners who are content and who will look forward to doing another deal in the future.  My white self has certainly got enough privilege throughout my life that I can afford to get by with a little less in the future so that my black partner can get a better deal than he has in the past.  The payoff of mutual support, stability and, inshallah, friendship is well worth any conceivable shift in the balance.

More than dislike of those who believe that a zero-sum deal is the only kind there is, I'm saddened that their life experiences have given them a win-lose mindset.  My hope is that life will be kinder to them in the future.  And that they will be kinder and more generous to others.

 

 

 

[RockHardNYC]

Beautiful post, lookin. So nice to read words of wisdom from you once again.

Again, in fairness, in Trump's "Art of the Deal," Trump does say that "both parties in a deal need to win" in order for the deal to be successful. Yes, I read that book, and one can't discount the contributions of Tony Schwartz, who is probably responsible for almost every word in that book.

No matter who wrote it, you learn this logic if you attend business school. The thinking is really quite simple, logical, and practical. No one wants to come out from a negotiation feeling like a loser. Both parties (like you said, with a smile) are much better off if each feels a win.

Edited June 10, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[caeron]

 

i think you're kinder to that way of thinking than I am lookin.

Because the fact is that if Black Lives Matter, then whites do lose. They lose the privilege that racism gives them. If all you care about is yourself, then losing your ability to shit on other people matters a lot to you.

You may just be an idiot with zero empathy, but that's pretty much the best you can be. 

But as you and Rockhard both point out, when the other side loses continuously, eventually there will be an accounting. 

[tassojunior]

1 hour ago, lookin said:

Couldn't agree more, OZ.  

I've never felt that Black Lives Matter means that white lives don't matter.  What it's always meant to me is that black lives seem not to have mattered in the past and now it's time that they do.

As far as I can tell, those who hear Black Lives Matter and then parrot All Lives Matter or White Lives Matter are folks with a zero-sum viewpoint.  They think that, if a black life matters more, then a white life must matter less.  Personally, I don't believe that's true, nor have I ever been a fan of zero-sum thinking.

Like our President, I enjoy making deals but, unlike our President, I don't enjoy zero-sum deals where, in order for me to win, the other person has to lose.  Maybe that's what his life experiences have taught him but it's sure not what my life experiences have taught me.  I've found that, if I've got a deal where the other person is a loser, there's still more work to do.

A deal where there's a loser is unstable.  The "loser" is going to be unhappy and will be looking for a do-over at best and revenge at worst.  Much better for both parties to end up with a smile on their face.  For me, it's always been a matter of increasing the size of the pie so that both parties get a bigger slice. It may take a little more work, but it's well worth the effort.

Even if it takes a lot more work, it's well worth the effort.  Who wants to be surrounded by disgruntled colleagues?

And even if I come out of a deal with a little bit less than I otherwise might, it's worth it to have partners who are content and who will look forward to doing another deal in the future.  My white self has certainly got enough privilege throughout my life that I can afford to get by with a little less in the future so that my black partner can get a better deal than he has in the past.  The payoff of mutual support, stability and, inshallah, friendship is well worth any conceivable shift in the balance.

More than dislike of those who believe that a zero-sum deal is the only kind there is, I'm saddened that their life experiences have given them a win-lose mindset.  My hope is that life will be kinder to them in the future.  And that they will be kinder and more generous to others.

 

 

 

 

 

To to richest few who run the country nobody else's lives matter. We're all equally trash and cannon fodder for theit wars but it works to their benefit to divide the peasants against each other on race lines (while disowning racism themselves of course....they're the elite!).

 

Many years ago in my Georgia youth Lester Maddox the overt racist Democrat was running against the first of the new southern Republicans....Bo Callaway. There was a joke:

Two south Georgia rednecks were talking politics. 1st says " I hate ni××ers and Lester Maddox and Bo Callaway both do so I don't know who I like."

The 2nd responds: "Yup, they both seem to hate n××gers equally but the problem is Bo Callaway thinks anyone who makes less than a million dollars a year is a n××ger."

More true today than ever. Racism prevents the poor (and we're all getting there fast) from uniting to get fair wealth distribution.

Edited June 10, 2020 by tassojunior

[lookin]

54 minutes ago, caeron said:

i think you're kinder to that way of thinking than I am lookin.

Because the fact is that if Black Lives Matter, then whites do lose. They lose the privilege that racism gives them. If all you care about is yourself, then losing your ability to shit on other people matters a lot to you.

Thanks for the thoughtful response, @Caeron.  I think what @RockHard and I are both trying to say is that there's room in a good deal for both parties to come out winners.

I care about myself a lot and a peaceful environment with lots of smiles around matters much more to me than the ability to shit on other people.  (I say this with some modest authority, but that's a post for another forum.   )  I think folks who believe they become winners by turning other folks into losers are setting a very low bar for a happy life.  Anyone who's had the experience of cutting a deal with all winners will know that life is much better without the "losers" trying to get even.

Edited June 10, 2020 by lookin

[Buddy2]

1 hour ago, lookin said:

Thanks for the thoughtful response, @Caeron.  I think what @RockHard and I are both trying to say is that there's room in a good deal for both parties to come out winners.

I care about myself a lot and a peaceful environment with lots of smiles around matters much more to me than the ability to shit on other people.  (I say this with some modest authority, but that's a post for another forum.   )  I think folks who believe they become winners by turning other folks into losers are setting a very low bar for a happy life.  Anyone who's had the experience of cutting a deal with all winners will know that life is much better without the "losers" trying to get even.

Why would you believe for a second that anyone agrees, especially @RockHardNYC

[tassojunior]

[Buddy2]

7 minutes ago, Liam_ca said:

Rockhard, going forward has no standing in our community. He’s and poison injecting his ego into a community which should have shunned him years ago. 

Not the only time he didn't show up.

 

Ask Rick Munroe.

[AdamSmith]

On 6/9/2020 at 8:44 PM, Lucky said:

But either you devote yourself to this site going forward, or you try to reconcile past grievances with the other site.

Yes. The past is dead, like yesterday’s feces.

Forget it & flush it, for God’s sake, and look toward life tomorrow.

[TotallyOz]

Quite a few posts here have been removed as there was a bit of rambling from a new member (shocking right?).  I just let him move on.

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, lookin said:

I think what @RockHard and I are both trying to say is that there's room in a good deal for both parties to come out winners.

But I want to be more clear about where I stand. Negotiations in business are not the same as managing relationships outside of business. Rarely do the makings of good friendships and lovers involve lawyers and written contracts. No one can fix a dysfunctional family member or an addicted loved one by serving him smiles 24/7 or the deal of the century. Human beings are far more complicated than that.

I also don't think a business negotiation has much to do with Black Lives Matter, at least as far as this discussion goes. A social contract to end racism will not be a contract negotiated on paper (thinking big picture). Racism will most likely always exist. People have prejudices for all kinds of reasons. Getting institutional racism out of institutions is a good cause, but if it goes the way of Affirmative Action and quota markers, I can see lots of "negotiation" problems arising.

13 hours ago, lookin said:

a peaceful environment with lots of smiles around matters much more to me than the ability to shit on other people.

Who doesn't love smiles and a peaceful environment? But what if you're dealing with a Trump, who thrives on chaos and destruction? How does one deal with a real TROLL in real life? How do you attack and extinguish evil, if you even believe that evil exists? What if you come face-to-face with a warrior adversary threatening your life? Not every human being smiles by default when confronted. Many people are miserable by default, looking for a fight. We are not pre-programed machines.

The human condition is far more complicated than a business negotiation between two business entities. The world is full of angry, bitter, hateful people, and no huge number of smiling faces is going to change that. 

13 hours ago, lookin said:

I think folks who believe they become winners by turning other folks into losers are setting a very low bar for a happy life.

Except you've just defined the essence of competition. Show me an Olympic Gold winner who isn't happy, please. Or a business brand that put a competing brand out of business. How about an Oscar winner? Happiness means many different things to different people. Let's not get too Pollyanna here.

13 hours ago, lookin said:

Anyone who's had the experience of cutting a deal with all winners will know that life is much better without the "losers" trying to get even.

IMO, life is much more enjoyable when there is no war to win, except competitive-minded people need a war to thrive and enjoy life. Our culture and society are currently at war on numerous fronts. People we don't personally know are bringing war to our doorsteps this very minute.

If you want to win at war and survive, you better know how to fight. Hitting a warrior with smiles, no matter what type of TROLL the warrior is, may invite death.

"Getting even" has been with us since Cain and Abel. Don't like it? Take your beef up with God.

Much love to lookin. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[RockHardNYC]

1 hour ago, TotallyOz said:

Quite a few posts here have been removed

I saw a few late last night. Just goes to show, there's a troll war going on online. Trolls are everywhere, doing their thing. They don't stop. Board owners and members MUST stop them.

Thank you OZ for paying attention to this issue. Some members may not care, but I do care. If this board fights to extinguish TROLLS, I will remain a happy member, whether you are all smiles or not. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by RockHardNYC