Members RockHardNYC Posted June 4, 2020 Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Thank you to the member who alerted me to this post on Daddy's site. Black Lives Matter is Racist My message to Daddy: Daddy, you're an ignorant fool and you don't deserve the support of intelligent gay men. You certainly don't deserve our money in the form of donations. I hope your racially-sensitive board members get some serious wisdom and see you for the ignorant fool that you are. Even though you are fat, broke, unhealthy, with an awful skin condition, you are a privileged white man who will never know what it is like to live life as a Black man, especially when confronted by a cop. "Blacks are three times more likely than whites to be killed by police" simply because of the color of their skin. And that's the very serious point you miss with your ignorant post. "President Donald Trump has stated that "Black Lives Matter" is a divisive term and that the term is inherently racist." And we all know how intelligent and enlightened Donald Trump is. We also know he's a racist defender of white supremacy. Daddy, you're free to agree with Donald Trump, but many of us are free to disagree with you. "All Lives Matter is a demonstration of how we don't actually understand structural racism in this country". And it's very clear to me that Daddy will never understand. When Daddy foolishly expresses his outrageous ignorance and bias on his board, members should feel free to respond. IMO, the best way for a gay man to respond is to end support of this fool. Edited June 4, 2020 by RockHardNYC SexyAsianStud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 4, 2020 Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Members are responding strongly over at that site. I am not sure newer members who post in the political forum realize they have other options. Even if they knew, this site doesn't have as many up to date political threads. Edited June 4, 2020 by Buddy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 That is fucking appalling. Glad I'm well away from that cesspool. SexyAsianStud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 4, 2020 Author Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, caeron said: That is fucking appalling. I couldn't agree more. Some members over there are trying their best to educate that loser, but some of us have long known what a lost cause and waste of time that is. I'm delighted that some escorts are speaking up. It's high time they understand who they are supporting in the escort community, who they are granting gatekeeper status. caeron and SexyAsianStud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 4, 2020 Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 I was the one alerting here about that thread. My intention was not to start here another rant of posts insulting Daddy and the Racist participants in the other side. I tell directly to them what I think about their horrible ideas. My intention was to call for like minded Boytoy members who hold double citizenship in M4M, to do as I was doing. The money I was putting aside to donate to Daddy's as I have done the last few years, it is now gone to #BLM, and I have decided not to donate again. However, I do not plan to withdraw and leave a space free for the Racists. My criticism of the shameful Racist ideas being shared by Daddy and a few more is receiving considerable support. I think it is clear that the majority of the participants, silent or not, are not Racists.Despite how tempting it is to insult Daddy because of his weight and his physical imperfections, you cannot fight the pigs becoming one of them. His Racist stand is clear and it is disgusting. But Daddy like each of us, is a multidimensional human being. Although his Racism disgusts me, I can still appreciate other virtues on him. For instance, I have called him Racist in public and in private, and I am still there. Once again, if you are reading this post and you participate over there, I invite you to join the fight. I want BoyToy to have more traffic and I am doing everything I can to do it, but the fact is that the MRM are significantly more popular than BT, and therefore a more accurate reflection of the USA. It is nice to talk with people that think like us, I do enjoy preaching to the choir. But it is even better to engage in conversation and confrontation with opposite views. This is not about Daddy, BLACK LIVES MATTER!!!! IMG_4938.MOV Buddy2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RockHardNYC Posted June 4, 2020 Author Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: I was the one alerting here about that thread. Perhaps to others, but you did not alert me privately. 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: Daddy and the Racist participants I'm not arrogant enough to assume that Daddy is a racist. I have no idea what lies in that man's heart other than bad cholesterol. IMO, lacking support of the term "Black Live Matter" does not qualify you as a racist, it simply shows ignorance. 1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said: you cannot fight the pigs becoming one of them Are you calling me a pig? LOL. Edited June 4, 2020 by RockHardNYC Buddy2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 4, 2020 Members Share Posted June 4, 2020 Ii is so easy to get distracted with bitching bull shit. What I was saying? Ah, sí BLACK LIVES MATTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Liam_ca said: Why are you so obsessed over daddy? Some people may find that as troll like behavior. Which is typical in some older gay men. The personal comments against Daddy greatly weakened what otherwise is partly common sense. And makes it unlikely many members over there will consider coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, Liam_ca said: Why are you so obsessed over daddy? Some people may find that as troll like behavior. Which is typical in some older gay men. Welcome to the site Liam. So nice of you to be here and point out a possible troll. So, tell me, what encouraged you to post here today? We look forward to learning more about you. I loved your photo in the Club thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buddy2 said: The personal comments against Daddy greatly weakened what otherwise is partly common sense. And makes it unlikely many members over there will consider coming here. You think? I’m not so sure. Buddy2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Buddy2 said: The personal comments against Daddy greatly weakened what otherwise is partly common sense. And makes it unlikely many members over there will consider coming here. I am OK with that. I read the post in question. It is obvious to anyone that reads it what the owner of that site stands for. If they choose to support that, well, that is on them. It is kinda like electing Trump. We knew what we were getting when he took office. A racist does not change over time and IMHO, anyone who posts that the Black Lives Matter movement is irrelevant when so many others struggle, are missing the entire point. Lets say that Oz, Buddy, Liam, Rockhard, LatBear and Caeron all went to dinner. The dinner comes and everyone gets food except for Buddy. Buddy says, "Where is my food? I'm hungry." Rockhard says, I'm hungry too. Oz, says me too. But, Rockhard and Oz have food and are starting to eat their lobster. Buddy still has no food. The meal ends. Buddy is still hungry. But, everyone else is full. Does it matter that Buddy is still hungry since no one else is? lookin and SexyAsianStud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) The actual debate on the other side is still going on, especially between Daddy and the Real Avalon & former lurker. They are doing better than Daddy, although he likely won't admit it. And my issue was partly slamming Daddy for the way he looks and from RockHardNYC. Edited June 5, 2020 by Buddy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Buddy2 said: And my issue was partly slamming Daddy for the way he looks and from RockHardNYC. Yeah, getting personal is never OK. Rockhard doesn't like fat people. He is obsessed with them. I know as I am one of them. He reminds me occasionally too! I always chuck it up to he is like a closeted gay. He actually loves fatties and he wants one for his BF but can't find a big enough bear to handle him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I left that site years ago and am not going back. Life is too short to deal with that much toxicity. Sorry this is happening there, but I do not think Daddy or that site is fixable. SexyAsianStud and TotallyOz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tassojunior Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TotallyOz said: Lets say that Oz, Buddy, Liam, Rockhard, LatBear and Caeron all went to dinner. The dinner comes and everyone gets food except for Buddy. Buddy says, "Where is my food? I'm hungry." Rockhard says, I'm hungry too. Oz, says me too. But, Rockhard and Oz have food and are starting to eat their lobster. Buddy still has no food. The meal ends. Buddy is still hungry. But, everyone else is full. Does it matter that Buddy is still hungry since no one else is? I know I'm sleepy and it's late but... huh? Edited June 5, 2020 by tassojunior Buddy2 and Latbear4blk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, TotallyOz said: “Where is my food?” Where are my martinis? Latbear4blk and TotallyOz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, tassojunior said: I know I'm sleepy and it's late but... huh? That is Oz' version of one of the many didactic analogies people are trying to open the eyes of the well intentioned "All Lives Matter". tassojunior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, tassojunior said: I know I'm sleepy and it's late but... huh? I didn't understand it either. And I did read it twice. Edited June 5, 2020 by Buddy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: That is Oz' version of one of the many didactic analogies people are trying to open the eyes of the well intentioned "All Lives Matter". Fine. Now explain it to rest of us. At least Daddy confronts things head on (smile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Latbear4blk Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) Part of the point I am making is that here you do not need to explain that Black Lives Matter is actually and inclusive slogan. BoyToy participants are fewer, and tend to be more educated and intellectually sophisticated (I said "tend to be", we all know I am not sophisticated, per example) than the more popular and more representative of USA average Daddy's. I do enjoy preaching to the choir, but it is important to confront and establish a dialogue with opposite views. Fighting against Racism involves more interesting things than explaining BLM to troglodytes. Perhaps we can discuss those things here? Edited June 5, 2020 by Latbear4blk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SexyAsianStud Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 Can I just chime in to BRAVO the title of this thread without getting too deep into the rest of this discussion? I mean... ain't it all kinda just "obvious"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boiworship Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 16 hours ago, Buddy2 said: The actual debate on the other side is still going on, especially between Daddy and the Real Avalon & former lurker. They are doing better than Daddy, although he likely won't admit it. And my issue was partly slamming Daddy for the way he looks and from RockHardNYC. Is Guy Fawkes “Daddy”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, boiworship said: Yes. Although Guy occasionally quotes Daddy. Not sure why. Daddy wears many hats, but not when HooBoy was alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) On 6/4/2020 at 9:06 AM, RockHardNYC said: Daddy, you're an ignorant fool and you don't deserve the support of intelligent gay men. You certainly don't deserve our money in the form of donations. Even though you are fat, broke, unhealthy, with an awful skin condition, you are a privileged white man who will never know what it is like to live life as a Black man, especially when confronted by a cop. And it's very clear to me that Daddy will never understand. When Daddy foolishly expresses his outrageous ignorance and bias on his board, members should feel free to respond. IMO, the best way for a gay man to respond is to end support of this fool. What low level phylum would make an argument that had so many personal attacks? Did it not have enough valid arguments that it had to resort to such name calling> I am ashamed to be on a board with a piece of shit like this. Humongous egos are one thing, but nastiness like this is far worse. Edited June 5, 2020 by Lucky toned it down Buddy2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Buddy2 Posted June 5, 2020 Members Share Posted June 5, 2020 20 hours ago, AdamSmith said: You think? I’m not so sure. What does Dylan have to do with labeling a thread concerning Daddy "fat fuck?" And it is a Shame to carry a grudge for years. You are one of smartest people I have ever met on line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
