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On 5/23/2020 at 9:21 AM, sydneyboy1 said:

The latest daily toll is 1100 dead. In one day. This figure in a country like Brazil would be a gross understatement. Truly appalling.

I heard that some experts are considering that real figures could be at least  5 times higher than official figures ie the current 25000 official number of dead could be in fact around 125000...

Since many TV in the world showed the tough times undertakers are having to bury the very many coffins, some people in Brazil in the president party claim that people are burying empty coffins, with pictures (of stones in an opened coffin) or videos (someone carrying a coffin with only one hand). 

 

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On 5/25/2020 at 1:05 AM, sydneyboy1 said:

The United States has prohibited foreigners entering the US who have been to Brazil in the previous 14 days. 

But Americans can go and come back . United and American yesterday started back up their routes to Sao Paulo. And Fraggata is saying on social media they are remodeled and ready to open.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-delta-and-united-plan-to-fly-these-long-haul-international-routes-in-june/

 https://www.instagram.com/fragata.555oficial/

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5 hours ago, tassojunior said:

But Americans can go and come back . United and American yesterday started back up their routes to Sao Paulo. And Fraggata is saying on social media they are remodeled and ready to open.

This is false information.

From the US Embassy in Brasilia.

”Location:  Brazil

Event:  Extension of Brazil’s Border Closures

On May 22, Brazil decreed that foreigners are banned from entering the country by air, land, and sea for 30 days (through June 21).  This is an extension of previous border closures.”

 https://br.usembassy.gov/health-alert-extension-of-brazils-border-closures/

 

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7 hours ago, lopburi said:

cooked up stats to force vaccines and nano particle tracing which are unsafe toxic and untested . yes the virus is real but it affects the elderly and ones with compromised immune systems.

Practically every disease more adversely affects the elderly and the immunocompromised.

First and only post, and it’s both an epidemiological fail and a loony conspiracy theory all in one. 
 

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On 6/5/2020 at 7:08 PM, lopburi said:

cooked up stats to force vaccines and nano particle tracing which are unsafe toxic and untested . yes the virus is real but it affects the elderly and ones with compromised immune systems.

Totally agree with this....I do believe the virus is 100% real but the handling of patients by medical professionals led to many unnecessary deaths as well as incorrect treatment...

I also feel that many people who died were incorrectly labeled as passing away from CoviD19 which also increased fear around the world, increasing the desire for a vaccine that will be available in record time...

I follow science and data and not fear 

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7 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

I also feel that many people who died were incorrectly labeled as passing away from CoviD1

Feelings are nice to have, but facts are more important in epidemiology. COVID cases and deaths are, in all likelihood, underreported. 

The conspiracy theory that you refer to (pushed by right wing media) has been debunked by nonpartisan fact check organizations. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/

 

 

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I understand your fear and get it, especially since you may be in the high risk groups...

You have tons of choices....wear masks, stay inside, get vaccinated as soon as its available...

Again, I follow science and data and not fear

I have a parent who works in the medical field and aside from watching the news and fact checking what is distributed, I also do what works best for ME...

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6 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

Again, I follow science and data and not fear

What “science and data” informed you that COVID-19 deaths are being overreported or mischaracterized?

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5 hours ago, SolaceSoul said:

What “science and data” informed you that COVID-19 deaths are being overreported or mischaracterized?

I never stated that the deaths were being over reported....You don't die from Covid the same way you don't die from AIDS/HIV, you die from complications related to the disease...

Another complication for assigning a cause of death for COVID-19 is that some younger people have died of strokes and heart attacks and then tested positive for COVID-19 without any history of respiratory symptoms. The virus is now known to cause blood clots, suggesting that COVID-19 was the killer in these cases, too.

Perhaps, the best clue as to whether COVID-19 deaths have been undercounted or overcounted is excess mortality data. Excess mortality is deaths above and beyond what would normally be expected in a given population in a given year. CDC data shows a spike of excess mortality in early 2020, adding up to tens of thousands of deaths.

Some argue that many of these excess deaths are related to COVID-19 lockdowns, not COVID-19 themselves, Faust said, because people fear catching the disease if they go to the hospital for other reasons. A study in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology did find that nine major hospitals saw a 38% drop in emergency visits for a particular kind of heart attack in March. That suggests that people really are delaying or avoiding medical care, which could mean that some of them die of preventable causes. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/

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There is a report in today’s Sydney Morning Herald that Brazil is no longer publishing a running total of Covid-19 deaths and infections. This almost defies belief. Can Brazil now claim to be a democratic country?

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9 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

You don't die from Covid the same way you don't die from AIDS/HIV, you die from complications related to the disease...

Just so that we are clear, this is also true for HIV / AIDS. 

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On 6/8/2020 at 11:09 AM, sydneyboy1 said:

There is a report in today’s Sydney Morning Herald that Brazil is no longer publishing a running total of Covid-19 deaths and infections. This almost defies belief. Can Brazil now claim to be a democratic country?

The Brazilian Supreme Court has overruled the President and ordered that cumulative statistics in COVID 19 infections and deaths be published.

 

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Brazil ignored the warnings.  Now, while other countries are concerned about a second wave of coronavirus, it cannot overcome the first
  While strolling on Copacabana beach on June 13, residents of Rio de Janeiro expressed concern about Brazil's efforts to combat the coronavirus pandemic.  
  June 16, 2020 at 3:00 pm PDT
  RIO DE JANEIRO - Weeks ago, when this seaside metropolis had registered less than 10,000 cases of the new coronavirus and there still seemed to be time, some of Brazil's most respected scientists made their last call.  The country has reached a crucial moment.  Cases skyrocketed.  The hospital system was fluctuating in capacity.  Thousands had already died.
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  So Carlos Machado, a senior scientist at the Oswaldo Cruz do Brasil Foundation, wanted the language to be strong.  At the request of the Rio authorities, his team was putting together a list of recommendations.  He needed to make it clear what would happen if they didn't immediately impose a complete block.
  "This would result," warned the team in the early May report, "in a human catastrophe of unimaginable proportions."

  As the coronavirus kills indigenous people in the Amazon, the government of Brazil disappears

  But the authorities never instituted a blockade.  The number of cases and deaths has skyrocketed.  People stopped isolating, choosing to pack the beach boardwalks on weekends.  And the warning turned out to be just another exit ramp that Brazil refused to take to become the second most devastated country by coronavirus in the world.
  So far, the largest country in Latin America has registered more than 888,000 cases of coronavirus and almost 44,000 deaths, the second in both cases in the United States alone.  But while other countries have gone through steep curves and are now focused on preparations for a possible second wave, Brazil cannot even overcome the first.
  A performance protest on June 15 in Brasilia honors Brazilians who died after contracting the new coronavirus.
  A performance protest on June 15 in Brasilia honors Brazilians who died after contracting the new coronavirus.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  What is happening here seems to be globally unique.  Despite the increasing numbers, the authorities have not implemented widely successful measures in other parts of the world.  There was no national blockade.  No national testing campaign.  No agreed plans.  The expansion of health care was insufficient.  Instead, the hardest-hit cities are opening their doors to shopping malls and churches, even when the country routinely publishes more than 30,000 new cases a day - five times more than Italy reported at the height of its outbreak.

  Inaction has taken the country on a path that scientists call the unknown.
  "We are doing something that no one else has done," said Pedro Hallal, an epidemiologist at the Federal University of Pelotas.  "We are getting close to the peak of the curve and it looks like we are almost defying the virus. See Let's see how many people you can infect. We want to see how strong you are. 'So this is a poker game, and we're all in."
  The slums of Brazil, neglected by the government, organize their own fight against the coronavirus

  Brazil is on a path to record more than 4,000 deaths per day and surpass the United States in infections and deaths by the end of July, according to researchers at the University of Washington.  But just as the pandemic is widening the similarities between the United States and Brazil - two countries the size of continents with extreme inequality and populist presidents - it is also revealing the chasm between them.  Brazil does not have the largest economy in the world or one of the strongest health systems.  It also lacks the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
  The Parque Taruma cemetery, in the city of Manaus, in the state of Amazonas.
  The Parque Taruma cemetery, in the city of Manaus, in the state of Amazonas.  (Bruno Kelly / Reuters)
  Limited resources have always meant that Brazil had far less room for error - less room for political disagreements in the face of an outbreak - than its more developed peers.  But despite the bets, the country never found unity.  President Jair Bolsonaro, who continues to reject the disease and its victims, called for a policy of doing nothing.  He attacked governors who defended restrictive measures as corrupt liars, invaded the crowd of supporters, defying the warnings of his advisers and threatened to have a big barbecue, despite public health recommendations.

  The limits of coronavirus testing in Brazil are hiding the true dimensions of the biggest outbreak in Latin America

  Bolsonaro has not trained health experts and scientists to lead a response.  Instead, they were undermined and ignored, marginalized and driven out.  He sacked his first health minister, Luiz Henrique Mandetta, whose sober briefings calmed anxious Brazilians after he and Mandetta faced the need for social distance.  Then he pushed Mandetta's replacement, Nelson Teich, who failed to share his zeal for using chloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus.  (The US Food and Drug Administration this week revoked its emergency authorization for the antimalarial drug and related hydroxychloroquine to be used to treat the coronavirus, saying it is unlikely to be effective, but carry "serious potential side effects."  )
  Bolsonaro replaced Teich with a military man who is not a doctor.
  President Jair Bolsonaro at a national flag-raising ceremony on June 9 in front of the Palácio da Alvorada, in Brasilia.
  President Jair Bolsonaro at a national flag-raising ceremony on June 9 in front of the Palácio da Alvorada, in Brasilia.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  The developing disaster stresses the limits of scientific persuasion in a country where faith in institutions has been falling for years.  Federal authorities are not alone in refusing to follow the experts' guidelines.  Much of the population, because of poverty or apathy, is living their lives largely as before - going to the beaches, attending parties and other gatherings, riding on crowded buses.

  "It was a failure," said Lígia Bahia, professor of public health at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.  "We did not have enough political strength to impose another way. Only scientists, we did not succeed. There is a feeling of deep sadness that this was not noticed."
  While other countries try to open up, Brazil cannot find a way to shut down

  Having decided to open up despite the scientific consensus that it shouldn't, the country is following a path that until now only Sweden has deliberately tried to navigate - but in a much less tactical and methodical way.  In some pockets of the country - particularly in the north - a quarter of people have developed antibodies to the disease.  If herd immunity occurs in any country, it can happen first in Brazil.
  An artist wears a mask that reads "Fora Bolsonaro" during the June 15 protest in Brasília.
  An artist wears a mask that reads "Fora Bolsonaro" during the June 15 protest in Brasília.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  "The question is, 'Where is this going?'" Said Theo Vos, a professor of health sciences at the University of Washington whose models are used by the White House.  "It may be that in Brazil you can start reaching saturation, where so many people in the population are in contact with the virus that it starts to decrease".
  He paused.
  “But it comes at a huge price.  It is the kind of situation that we advise governments to try to avoid.
  "We have no other example of where, at the moment, it looks darker."
  A city in the process of extinction is Boa Vista, in the underdeveloped and isolated Amazon state of Roraima.  More than a quarter of its 277,000 residents have developed antibodies to the disease, according to Brazilian scientists who are conducting an ongoing study.  The public system has stopped testing people.  Promised field hospitals never materialized.  The situation has become so serious that patients are being flown to Manaus, a global symbol of the damage that the virus can cause in the developing world.

  Bolsonaro, channeling Trump, rejects coronavirus measures - it's just a little cold

  But most of the country is far from achieving herd immunity, which occurs when between 60 and 70% of the population has been infected or exposed to a disease or vaccine and can now resist the pathogen.  In early June, less than 3% of the population had anti-covid-19 antibodies.  In Rio, where 5,000 people died, the rate was less than 8%.
  "No end in sight," said a big headline in the O Globo newspaper last week.
  When asked Machado, a scientist at the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation, how much could have been avoided if his warnings were heeded, he looked hurt.
  "From the point of view of public health, it is incomprehensible that more stringent measures have not been adopted," he said.  "We could have prevented many of the deaths and cases and everything else that is happening in Rio de Janeiro."

  "It was a missed opportunity."
  Heloísa Traiano contributed to this report.
  Latin America had time to prepare for the coronavirus.  I couldn't stop the inevitable.

  In the developing world, coronavirus is killing many more young people

  Brazil's densely packed favelas are preparing for the coronavirus: "This will kill a lot of people".

  Coronavirus: what you need to read
  The Washington Post is providing free coronavirus coverage, including:
  Updated 16 June 2020
  

Brazil ignored the warnings.  Now, while other countries are concerned about a second wave of coronavirus, it cannot overcome the first.

 


  While strolling on Copacabana beach on June 13, residents of Rio de Janeiro expressed concern about Brazil's efforts to combat the coronavirus pandemic.  (Reuters)
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  June 16, 2020 at 3:00 pm PDT
  RIO DE JANEIRO - Weeks ago, when this seaside metropolis had registered less than 10,000 cases of the new coronavirus and there still seemed to be time, some of Brazil's most respected scientists made their last call.  The country has reached a crucial moment.  Cases skyrocketed.  The hospital system was fluctuating in capacity.  Thousands had already died.
  Support our journalism.  Sign up today.
  So Carlos Machado, a senior scientist at the Oswaldo Cruz do Brasil Foundation, wanted the language to be strong.  At the request of the Rio authorities, his team was putting together a list of recommendations.  He needed to make it clear what would happen if they didn't immediately impose a complete block.
  "This would result," warned the team in the early May report, "in a human catastrophe of unimaginable proportions."
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  As the coronavirus kills indigenous people in the Amazon, the government of Brazil disappears

  But the authorities never instituted a blockade.  The number of cases and deaths has skyrocketed.  People stopped isolating, choosing to pack the beach boardwalks on weekends.  And the warning turned out to be just another exit ramp that Brazil refused to take to become the second most devastated country by coronavirus in the world.
  So far, the largest country in Latin America has registered more than 888,000 cases of coronavirus and almost 44,000 deaths, the second in both cases in the United States alone.  But while other countries have gone through steep curves and are now focused on preparations for a possible second wave, Brazil cannot even overcome the first.
  A performance protest on June 15 in Brasilia honors Brazilians who died after contracting the new coronavirus.
  A performance protest on June 15 in Brasilia honors Brazilians who died after contracting the new coronavirus.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  What is happening here seems to be globally unique.  Despite the increasing numbers, the authorities have not implemented widely successful measures in other parts of the world.  There was no national blockade.  No national testing campaign.  No agreed plans.  The expansion of health care was insufficient.  Instead, the hardest-hit cities are opening their doors to shopping malls and churches, even when the country routinely publishes more than 30,000 new cases a day - five times more than Italy reported at the height of its outbreak.
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  Inaction has taken the country on a path that scientists call the unknown.
  "We are doing something that no one else has done," said Pedro Hallal, an epidemiologist at the Federal University of Pelotas.  "We are getting close to the peak of the curve and it looks like we are almost defying the virus. See Let's see how many people you can infect. We want to see how strong you are. 'So this is a poker game, and we're all in."
  The slums of Brazil, neglected by the government, organize their own fight against the coronavirus

  Brazil is on a path to record more than 4,000 deaths per day and surpass the United States in infections and deaths by the end of July, according to researchers at the University of Washington.  But just as the pandemic is widening the similarities between the United States and Brazil - two countries the size of continents with extreme inequality and populist presidents - it is also revealing the chasm between them.  Brazil does not have the largest economy in the world or one of the strongest health systems.  It also lacks the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
  The Parque Taruma cemetery, in the city of Manaus, in the state of Amazonas.
  The Parque Taruma cemetery, in the city of Manaus, in the state of Amazonas.  (Bruno Kelly / Reuters)
  Limited resources have always meant that Brazil had far less room for error - less room for political disagreements in the face of an outbreak - than its more developed peers.  But despite the bets, the country never found unity.  President Jair Bolsonaro, who continues to reject the disease and its victims, called for a policy of doing nothing.  He attacked governors who defended restrictive measures as corrupt liars, invaded the crowd of supporters, defying the warnings of his advisers and threatened to have a big barbecue, despite public health recommendations.
  ADS

  The limits of coronavirus testing in Brazil are hiding the true dimensions of the biggest outbreak in Latin America

  Bolsonaro has not trained health experts and scientists to lead a response.  Instead, they were undermined and ignored, marginalized and driven out.  He sacked his first health minister, Luiz Henrique Mandetta, whose sober briefings calmed anxious Brazilians after he and Mandetta faced the need for social distance.  Then he pushed Mandetta's replacement, Nelson Teich, who failed to share his zeal for using chloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus.  (The US Food and Drug Administration this week revoked its emergency authorization for the antimalarial drug and related hydroxychloroquine to be used to treat the coronavirus, saying it is unlikely to be effective, but carry "serious potential side effects."  )
  Bolsonaro replaced Teich with a military man who is not a doctor.
  President Jair Bolsonaro at a national flag-raising ceremony on June 9 in front of the Palácio da Alvorada, in Brasilia.
  President Jair Bolsonaro at a national flag-raising ceremony on June 9 in front of the Palácio da Alvorada, in Brasilia.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  The developing disaster stresses the limits of scientific persuasion in a country where faith in institutions has been falling for years.  Federal authorities are not alone in refusing to follow the experts' guidelines.  Much of the population, because of poverty or apathy, is living their lives largely as before - going to the beaches, attending parties and other gatherings, riding on crowded buses.
  ADS

  "It was a failure," said Lígia Bahia, professor of public health at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.  "We did not have enough political strength to impose another way. Only scientists, we did not succeed. There is a feeling of deep sadness that this was not noticed."
  While other countries try to open up, Brazil cannot find a way to shut down

  Having decided to open up despite the scientific consensus that it shouldn't, the country is following a path that until now only Sweden has deliberately tried to navigate - but in a much less tactical and methodical way.  In some pockets of the country - particularly in the north - a quarter of people have developed antibodies to the disease.  If herd immunity occurs in any country, it can happen first in Brazil.
  An artist wears a mask that reads "Fora Bolsonaro" during the June 15 protest in Brasília.
  An artist wears a mask that reads "Fora Bolsonaro" during the June 15 protest in Brasília.  (Adriano Machado / Reuters)
  "The question is, 'Where is this going?'" Said Theo Vos, a professor of health sciences at the University of Washington whose models are used by the White House.  "It may be that in Brazil you can start reaching saturation, where so many people in the population are in contact with the virus that it starts to decrease".
  ADS

  He paused.
  “But it comes at a huge price.  It is the kind of situation that we advise governments to try to avoid.
  "We have no other example of where, at the moment, it looks darker."
  A city in the process of extinction is Boa Vista, in the underdeveloped and isolated Amazon state of Roraima.  More than a quarter of its 277,000 residents have developed antibodies to the disease, according to Brazilian scientists who are conducting an ongoing study.  The public system has stopped testing people.  Promised field hospitals never materialized.  The situation has become so serious that patients are being flown to Manaus, a global symbol of the damage that the virus can cause in the developing world.
  ADS

  Bolsonaro, channeling Trump, rejects coronavirus measures - it's just a little cold

  But most of the country is far from achieving herd immunity, which occurs when between 60 and 70% of the population has been infected or exposed to a disease or vaccine and can now resist the pathogen.  In early June, less than 3% of the population had anti-covid-19 antibodies.  In Rio, where 5,000 people died, the rate was less than 8%.
  "No end in sight," said a big headline in the O Globo newspaper last week.
  When asked Machado, a scientist at the Oswaldo Cruz Foundation, how much could have been avoided if his warnings were heeded, he looked hurt.
  "From the point of view of public health, it is incomprehensible that more stringent measures have not been adopted," he said.  "We could have prevented many of the deaths and cases and everything else that is happening in Rio de Janeiro."
  ADS

  "It was a missed opportunity."
  Heloísa Traiano contributed to this report.
  Latin America had time to prepare for the coronavirus.  I couldn't stop the inevitable.

  In the developing world, coronavirus is killing many more young people

  Brazil's densely packed favelas are preparing for the coronavirus: "This will kill a lot of people".

  Coronavirus: what you need to read
  The Washington Post is providing free coronavirus coverage, including:
  Updated 16 June 2020
  

  

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