Guest shebavon Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Better yet, fart in his face and see how he enjoys a puff of that. Wonderful idea if you have such bodily control, or are in that magic moment. Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Better yet, fart in his face and see how he enjoys a puff of that. There may be some who do enjoy that! Actually, I don't recommend doing something that could backfire (no pun intended) on you, but if you could get away with it, why not just shit in his face or drop a couple turdlets into his drink. I'm a smoker. I'm not proud of it, but there it is. When I am with people I do try to be polite about it. I always tell people to let me know if my smoke is blowing in their direction and I'll immediately put it out. If someone lets me know my smoking is bothering him I have no problem at all about putting it out or moving elsewhere. I dislike smokers who impose their smoke on others as much as non-smokers. I really don't understand why so many other smokers refuse to be polite about it, but many don't seem to care, and I think that's definitely a wrong attitude. Quote
Guest shebavon Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Smoking in an enclosed bar is rude, offensive, repulsive, and illegal. A smoker has no reason to do so, when all you have to do is puff outside. Smoke always travels in the direction of the non-smoker no matter what you do, nor which direction the fan is blowing, so just don't do it. As to smoking at an open air bar, there a smoker can get away with it, in its appropriate section. Quote
Guest MonkeySee Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 When I am with people I do try to be polite about it. If all smokers were like you, I do not think most non-smokers would have problems. There are some radical anti-smokers that will pitch a bitch no matter what. I have a dear friend (an ex-smoker) that went nuts over people smoking outside ten yards away. It was an embarrassing situation for me. Quote
Guest shebavon Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 If all smokers were like you, I do not think most non-smokers would have problems. There are some radical anti-smokers that will pitch a bitch no matter what. I have a dear friend (an ex-smoker) that went nuts over people smoking outside ten yards away. It was an embarassing situation for me. That was because the smoke traveled in the direction of the non-smoker. Amazing how it always does that. Quote
Guest lvdkeyes Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Isn't this damned horse dead yet? Quote
Gaybutton Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I have a dear friend (an ex-smoker) that went nuts over people smoking outside ten yards away. It was an embarrassing situation for me. When people carry it to that extreme, that's when I stop giving a damn whether they like it or not, although I'll still put out the cigarette. Isn't this damned horse dead yet? Apparently not. Some people still wish to discuss it. That's their privilege. Quote
Guest buckeroo2 Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Yeah, no petitions, no protests, vote with your feet and if enough others are like minded then the owner will have a choice to make. It also has to be said that the bars which allow smoking are likely to also attract customers who want to smoke in the bar and dont like being forced outside. I was in A-Bomb last night. I ordered a beer and before I drank half of it, all 4 people at the next table lit up. I asked the mamasan why he allowed smoking in the bar. He shrugged his shoulders and said something not very profound. There were a total of 5 customers in the bar at the time - me and the 4 smokers. I did not finish my drink and told the owner that the smoke bothered me and I would not return . I paid my tab and I left. I find very few bars that allow smoking. They really are the exception. I was at 5 other Boyztown bars and 2 in Sunee last night and that was the only bar in which I encountered smoking. After hours club XRAY allows smoking and I no longer go there. Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I'd have more sympathy for the anti-smokers if so many of them were not completely insane radicals. If they were nicer human beings I'd be more likely to take them seriously, but so many of them are not. I've been in bars where people were doing cocaine on the tables, sucking cock in the bathrooms and fighting in the next door alley, yet heard people say "we should call the police" when someone has tried to light up a cigarette. Lately some of these crazies have started bitching about "third hand smoke" which just goes to show what a bunch of scumbags many of them are. Quote
Guest GaySacGuy Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I'd have more sympathy for the anti-smokers if so many of them were not completely insane radicals. If they were nicer human beings I'd be more likely to take them seriously, but so many of them are not. I've been in bars where people were doing cocaine on the tables, sucking cock in the bathrooms and fighting in the next door alley, yet heard people say "we should call the police" when someone has tried to light up a cigarette. Lately some of these crazies have started bitching about "third hand smoke" which just goes to show what a bunch of scumbags many of them are. It is nice to see that you have such great respect for your fellow board members who are rats, insane radicals, and scumbags. Really Nice!! Such intelligent chatter! Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I have respect for 99 percent of the people here. Just not the ones who - as was pointed out by other posters - are insane on the smoking issue. There is room for compromise. Quote
Jason1988 Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I wish you all would put this time and energy to teaching Thai youth about safe sex. Let the smoking issue take care of itself. This isn't something expats or foreigners should be concerned about. This is Thailand, not your land. Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Exactly my point. We are guests in this country. Quote
KhorTose Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Better yet, fart in his face and see how he enjoys a puff of that. I don't think I would try this approach. It would just be my luck that the smoker would enjoy it and want more, Quote
PattayaMale Posted January 10, 2009 Author Posted January 10, 2009 Exactly my point. We are guests in this country. Actually we are consumers not just guests. And Thailand has does what it can to try and get more foreign consumers. They even pass laws and expect the "farang" owners of the bars to follow those rules. Slackerman do you consider these farang owners, many that work their bars without work permits as guests in Thailand? If you consider them guests, do you consider it rude on their part to not follow the wishes of the Thai government. Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I don't expect anyone to blindly obey any government. Hell, you ever smoke pot or do a line of coke? Or have gay sex in Texas during the 1990s. I do expect people to respect the local culture, and smoking is part of the local culture. Quote
Guest laurence Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 I do expect people to respect the local culture, and smoking is part of the local culture. Once upon a time, not long ago, in Montreal, Canada, smoking was the local culture; they ate and drank with one hand and smoked with the other. They sucked cock between sucking on a cigarette. Then the law prohibited smoking (but not cock sucking) and the culture changed, overnight. Everyone respected the law, residents and visitors. The problem in Thailand is the visitors do not respect the law regarding smoking. Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 Apparently neither do the locals since they allow smoking in their bars. You can't expect Asians to behave the way Canadians do. Quote
Guest laurence Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 You can't expect Asians to behave the way Canadians do. I hope not! In Montreal they are French-Canadians, much worse than Asians. 5555 Quote
Guest MonkeySee Posted January 10, 2009 Posted January 10, 2009 That was because the smoke traveled in the direction of the non-smoker. Amazing how it always does that. I was next to my friend when he threw his hissy fit. My sensitive nose smelled no smoke and I would find it hard to think that cigerette smoke would travel 10 yards in an outside environment. He saw two people smoking at poolside and just threw his child-like tantrum. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 I would find it hard to think that cigerette smoke would travel 10 yards in an outside environment I'm not sure about 10 yards, but anyone sensitive to smoke will almost certainly 'sniff' it out in a relatively close outdoor environment. A couple of nights ago I had dinner in an Italian restaurant in Chiang Mai. This had four tables outside for those who wished to smoke. Being a cool evening, there was no air conditioning, only a couple of smallish fans and the large windows were open. As a farang couple took one of the outside tables, the lady popped her head through the window, said she hoped no-one would mind if she closed the window as she would be smoking and did not want to offend any non-smokers. Classy lady! She clearly realised that smoke does travel, even in such an environment where the fans would probably prevent most stray smoke coming inside. A few days earlier sitting outside at Dick's Cafe in Bangkok, I moved inside to get away from the smoking of the massage boys seated a good 5 - 6 yards away (to clarify - they were smoking cigarettes ) Quote
Guest slackersam Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 I wish more of my fellow smokers were that cool. We'd get harassed less. Quote
Guest shebavon Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 I'm not sure about 10 yards, but anyone sensitive to smoke will almost certainly 'sniff' it out in a relatively close outdoor environment. A couple of nights ago I had dinner in an Italian restaurant in Chiang Mai. This had four tables outside for those who wished to smoke. Being a cool evening, there was no air conditioning, only a couple of smallish fans and the large windows were open. As a farang couple took one of the outside tables, the lady popped her head through the window, said she hoped no-one would mind if she closed the window as she would be smoking and did not want to offend any non-smokers. Classy lady! She clearly realised that smoke does travel, even in such an environment where the fans would probably prevent most stray smoke coming inside. A few days earlier sitting outside at Dick's Cafe in Bangkok, I moved inside to get away from the smoking of the massage boys seated a good 5 - 6 yards away (to clarify - they were smoking cigarettes ) I wish bar and restaurant owners in Pattaya were so cool as your experience in Chiang Mai, I would give her a HIGH 5 for this display of class and discretion. You can not always avoid second hand smoke, only reduce your incidence of contact. I highly doubt that occasional contact will reduce my time on this planet significantly enough for me to worry about it. When I can avoid it, I'll move to a different location. To be hospitable with my smoking friends, I'll sit with them outside, and try to seat myself where my exposure is minimized. And yes, as a good friend, I'll chide them on how they should really quit this habit, as they playfully chide me on my bad habits. Indoor smokers, even if the bar or restaurant is empty, are just being rude and selfish people, who should be advised of what they are doing. And yes, Thailand, like the rest of the nations in the world, will change to that reality over a period of time. We do see more people wearing helmets since the Thai police began actively enforcing this law amongst Farang and Thai's alike. If I remember certain hairstyles quickly disappeared from Sunni as helmets became less costly to wear than not. Quote
Guest gay_grampa Posted January 11, 2009 Posted January 11, 2009 I was next to my friend when he threw his hissy fit. My sensitive nose smelled no smoke and I would find it hard to think that cigerette smoke would travel 10 yards in an outside environment. He saw two people smoking at poolside and just threw his child-like tantrum. Your friend sounds like a real drama queen. He needs to relax and lighten-up the load on his blood pressure. Sit him down and offer him a nice Marlboro red ... it's amazing how that helps people calm down. Quote