Pointe 202

[Tomcal]

I spoke with junior tonight, he is in his hometown Ceara in northern Brazil near Fortaleza,  where is is renovating a club he owns there!  It looks fairly large from the video he sent! He told me he is hoping to open Pointe202 April 30th.  I think that’s a little ambitious!! Maybe a lot! I personally think Brazil is looking mid to late summer but I don’t know anything more then anyone else(unlike some who are a expert on whatever topic comes up!

i hope he is right because i was supposed to be in Rio 2 weeks ago and Mexico in 2 weeks!

[Badboy81]

Same here...was supposed to hit Rio right before winter set in...

I seriously double that they will be up and running by the end of this month, the same way I doubt the US will...

BUT since both countries Presidents share many of the same views on getting the economies up and running as soon as possible, there may be something in the works...

I think we will know by the end of the third week of April how thing are looking for April 30th or May...

Neither the US or Brazil can hold out for months...the unemployment rates would be unfucking real...people unemployed with nothing but time on their hands would not be a good thing even in the midst of a pandemic..

Medical experts need to come up with some type of compromise...

[Riobard]

I like my whiskey neat, my whomosexuals flamboyant, my whores muscle top liberal, and my WHOscientists on point with consensus not compromise. 

[SolaceSoul]

9 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

Medical experts need to come up with some type of compromise...

It’s not the role for medical experts to come up with a “compromise” in order to reduce unemployment or boredom at home. Their job is to save as many lives as possible during a global pandemic.

Right now, the USA has more recorded cases and deaths from COVID-19 than any other country, mostly due to the lagged (at best) or failed (at worst) response — not by our medical professionals, but by our federal government leader, and many state government leaders who take their cues from him.

I didn’t think it was even possible, but the response to the pandemic by Bozonaro at this point lags behind that of Drumpf. He’s about where Drumpf was a month ago, and Dumb Donald’s current position is not quite evolved enough to flatten the curve and curb a pandemic. The respected Oxford University model predicts 478,000 deaths from COVID-19 in Brazil alone. Recent news reports indicate that Brazil is seriously under reporting both its coronavirus cases of infection AND its deaths (known and unknown) in impoverished areas (favelas). meanwhile, Bozo refers to it as “just a little flu” and encourages the country’s largely catholic population to attend crowded churches every Sunday. 

This thing in Brazil is NOT going to end anytime soon. Not without months of forced closings and social distancing. It’s probably going to be one of hardest hit nations, at this rate. 

It brings me no joy to say this, but it’s shaping up to be a blood bath down there. The last thing any of us should be concerned about is when a sauna will re-open. 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by SolaceSoul

[Latbear4blk]

I hope Junior is right, but I am afraid he is too optimistic. Brazil looks really bad considering the local government disarray. Right now Bolsonaro is fighting even his own cabinet and to make the health perspective even worse, the political future is very uncertain.

I am still fantasizing with a trip in July. I think it would be even too soon for the saunas to be open, though. My hopes are based in this report. If they are right, perhaps COVID-19 morbidity in Brazil and Argentina, where I understand BCG vaccination is universal and mandatory, will not get to the USA heights and traveling restrictions and physical distancing policies will be softened by then. Again, it is just hope, I have no certainty about anything. 

[Riobard]

The Health Ministry is treating the incidence/prevalence like it’s a 3-legged race against Europe, with 90% Invisible Men clones in green & yellow, downplaying the logarithmic curve to date (relatively early from baseline) as being slightly (meaninglessly) below Italy and Spain, as well as overlooking, as SolaceSoul highlights, under-reporting. The rate is on track with USA or worse. 

Time to get real.

 

[Riobard]

Brazil is reporting 3% serious/critical. If reporting could be globally standardized, one could by now somewhat assess the differential benefit of extant TB vaccination uptake. 

[Riobard]

It is now apparent that we are looking at an 18-24 month hiatus in Montreal’s strip clubs if widespread vaccination does not shorten the duration of mitigation measures. Canada has a similar absolute case prevalence, but currently a considerably higher per capita rate compared to Brazil. I fear that Brazil will eventually outpace it, and Easter and it’s basket-case Mad Hatter leader will resurrect greater proliferation. If not, I’ll happily eat my Imperial margarine bonnet. 

[Riobard]

Korean men are gorgeous and know what they are doing. 

[likeohmygod]

Considering the ratio "tests/1M pop" in Brazil and comparing it with other big countries, considering the ratio "COVID+/tested" in Brazil and doing the same comparison, even taking in account the unrealistic idea that Brazil is less than proportional when compared to these countries, you can conclude that COVID in Brazil is spreading fast (even inside favelas which will act as an amplifier) and that if we're VERY lucky the saunas will reopen at the end of June.

Not even talking about the travel restrictions.

Cases in Brazil are possibly EXTREMELY underestimated.

[Walker]

Nice spreadsheet.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Walker

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, likeohmygod said:

Considering the ratio "tests/1M pop" in Brazil and comparing it with other big countries, considering the ratio "COVID+/tested" in Brazil and doing the same comparison, even taking in account the unrealistic idea that Brazil is less than proportional when compared to these countries, you can conclude that COVID in Brazil is spreading fast (even inside favelas which will act as an amplifier) and that if we're VERY lucky the saunas will reopen at the end of June. Not even talking about the travel restrictions.Cases in Brazil are possibly EXTREMELY underestimated

I was not talking about the spread of the infection, but about morbidity rates. But you and @Riobard need to stop demolishing my hopes right now.

 

[Riobard]

The morbidity level on the spreadsheet is almost as low as the US and lower than SP/IT. If underreporting is proportional to (asyx) morbidity then there may may be something valuable conferred by BMX vax ... I say this very tentatively because Brazil baseline is almost 2 weeks lag. 

[Badboy81]

6 hours ago, SolaceSoul said:

It’s not the role for medical experts to come up with a “compromise” in order to reduce unemployment or boredom at home. Their job is to save as many lives as possible during a global pandemic.

Right now, the USA has more recorded cases and deaths from COVID-19 than any other country, mostly due to the lagged (at best) or failed (at worst) response — not by our medical professionals, but by our federal government leader, and many state government leaders who take their cues from him.

I didn’t think it was even possible, but the response to the pandemic by Bozonaro at this point lags behind that of Drumpf. He’s about where Drumpf was a month ago, and Dumb Donald’s current position is not quite evolved enough to flatten the curve and curb a pandemic. The respected Oxford University model predicts 478,000 deaths from COVID-19 in Brazil alone. Recent news reports indicate that Brazil is seriously under reporting both its coronavirus cases of infection AND its deaths (known and unknown) in impoverished areas (favelas). meanwhile, Bozo refers to it as “just a little flu” and encourages the country’s largely catholic population to attend crowded churches every Sunday. 

This thing in Brazil is NOT going to end anytime soon. Not without months of forced closings and social distancing. It’s probably going to be one of hardest hit nations, at this rate. 

It brings me no joy to say this, but it’s shaping up to be a blood bath down there. The last thing any of us should be concerned about is when a sauna will re-open. 

 

 

Back to what I originally stated, right now, we need medical professionals to definitely save as many lives as possible....that does't change the fact that the economies of the world are fucked up so there has to be some type of compromise, a vaccine will take a long time....Better testing across the board, getting concrete figures on who is more likely to get the virus....finding out if you are immune is you are exposed to the virus....Im not a medical professional (SOMEBODY WHO IS, FEEL FREE TO PROVIDE SOME SOLID INFO)...

Here is what I do know-

The US and every other country in the world, can't have cities, states, countries shut down for months...PERIOD...

I am 100% concerned about people getting sick and dying...How much of that has to do with healthcare, testing, treatment, etc.?

I am less concerned with going to the saunas than as few people dying as possible AS WELL as people getting back to work...Maybe government can figure out how to work on that...Hell I don't know...

What I do know is that giving stimulus money or subsidies won't be enough to help unemployment, small business, people all over the world...The same way that not testing, having preventative methods as well as being proactive as a whole to all possible outcomes...

What are your thoughts and opinions...?

Edited April 5, 2020 by Badboy81

[Bucknaway1614502762]

I guess every chat is going to become a Wuhan virus thread

[brockmiller]

30 minutes ago, Badboy81 said:

Back to what I originally stated, right now, we need medical professionals to definitely save as many lives as possible....that does't change the fact that the economies of the world are fucked up so there has to be some type of compromise, a vaccine will take a long time....Better testing across the board, getting concrete figures on who is more likely to get the virus....finding out if you are immune is you are exposed to the virus....Im not a medical professional (SOMEBODY WHO IS, FEEL FREE TO PROVIDE SOME SOLID INFO)...

Here is what I do know-

The US and every other country in the world, can't have cities, states, countries shut down for months...PERIOD...

I am 100% concerned about people getting sick and dying...How much of that has to do with healthcare, testing, treatment, etc.?

I am less concerned with going to the saunas than as few people dying as possible AS WELL as people getting back to work...Maybe government can figure out how to work on that...Hell I don't know...

What I do know is that giving stimulus money or subsidies won't be enough to help unemployment, small business, people all over the world...The same way that not testing, having preventative methods as well as being proactive as a whole to all possible outcomes...

What are your thoughts and opinions...?

Medical professionals across the globe are doing just that; trying to save lives as much as possible. It is however very hard to do when you don't have the resources to test as much as we need to. Testing and isolation protocols should have been activated a long long time based on the advice the medical community gave to political leaders across the globe, but here we are. It is true we can't have economies shut down for an extended period of time, it will spell dire consequences for the world economy and mental health. it is very easy to apportion blame right now, but there is no easy way around this because in a sense we are a tad bit late, so all we can do is to save as many lives that walk through our doors. 

As for the issue of immunity. Humans are not too great on forming immunity when it comes such seasonal viral infection. The most we have seen in terms of immunity to viruses in this family is 3 years post infection where as some formed an immunity for just 1 year post infection. Unfortunately as the name suggests this Coronavirus is too novel for us to have concrete answers as to how long we form an immunity and how good that immunity is. There are several factors that go into the production of antibodies that help us form this immunity, so for now the general consensus is that people will have some form of immunity but the question is how good/deep this immunity is and for how long does the immunity last. This is all uncharted waters and we are collecting as much data as we can to make informed recommendations as we go along. But it is very difficult when you uncooperative political associates making life harder by dismissing recommendations which would have gone a long way to save lives a long time ago and now.

In short, Testing was very important and still is important, we have found that early intubation and ventilation is key to survival (there are not enough ICU beds and ventilators in the world for that). those drugs being thrown around might mitigate some of the respiratory inflammatory response to the viral infection but they are not curative. 

Way forward; if we are able to truly enforce social and physical distancing, the curve will flatten a little quicker, the plateau of the various models will be shorter and the decline steeper. this will mean less strain on us, healthcare, ICU personnel and resources, PPEs, we can open up our ORs for elective surgeries again. less strain on the economy and I can go back to getting railed and shagging my way through Brazil again. i can't fucking do that if i am permanently scarred from wearing those Goggles for 12-16 hours and mentally scarred from intubating and calling families about their loved one that died alone!!! but i digress lol

My two cents but I will let the multitalented experts on this forum make the final call though. 

[brockmiller]

6 hours ago, Riobard said:

Korean men are gorgeous and know what they are doing. 

i have to give it up for the tawainese guys as well!!! 

[Riobard]

8 minutes ago, brockmiller said:

i have to give it up for the tawainese guys as well!!! 

I’d Taip either Seoulfully ... those curves not so flattened. 

[Anthonyvan]

The situation is indeed very grim right now. I have the feeling that my trip to South America in late Oct early Nov will be unrealistic given that the Southern Hemisphere will enter its winter season very quickly, which seems to be the hotbed for this virus. 

[Walker]

11 hours ago, Riobard said:

I’d Taip either Seoulfully ... those curves not so flattened. 

I will be on the mission to flatten the curve in many countries soon.

[davet]

On 4/5/2020 at 2:13 PM, Anthonyvan said:

The situation is indeed very grim right now. I have the feeling that my trip to South America in late Oct early Nov will be unrealistic given that the Southern Hemisphere will enter its winter season very quickly, which seems to be the hotbed for this virus. 

There's not a huge seasonal change in temperature for Sao Paulo or Rio. They're both tropical or subtropical. 

[davet]

I've been curious to know, even when Brazil opens its economy and the saunas again and travel restrictions are lifted, how many of us will jump right back into swapping bodily fluids (the ones we used to think were safe) with some new garoto? I'm asking the most adventurous and experienced set of adventurers in the world. 

[davet]

On 4/5/2020 at 6:27 AM, Riobard said:

Korean men are gorgeous and know what they are doing. 

You'll need to expound, but maybe in the Asia forum.

[Latbear4blk]

2 hours ago, davet said:

I've been curious to know, even when Brazil opens its economy and the saunas again and travel restrictions are lifted, how many of us will jump right back into swapping bodily fluids (the ones we used to think were safe) with some new garoto? I'm asking the most adventurous and experienced set of adventurers in the world. 

If restrictions are ease by the, I am planning to be exchanging fluids in July. I am aware that I am extremely optimistic. 

[Lucky]

My guys will have to wear condoms, face masks, and socks!