TotallyOz Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 I have a business meeting in China next week. It is only a weekend and not in the province with the outbreak and no banned travel. It is an important meeting but should I just do like Nancy Reagan and say NO? Quote
floridarob Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 I would....if it was important. https://onemileatatime.com/cancel-trip-to-china-wuhan-virus/ TotallyOz 1 Quote
Members AaronInDallas Posted January 27, 2020 Members Posted January 27, 2020 @floridarob The author of that post later updated it to note that he’s no longer going to travel through China. One of his concerns (which I agree with) is that the Chinese government may be understating the extent of the problem. Buddy2, TotallyOz and floridarob 2 1 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted January 27, 2020 Members Posted January 27, 2020 Easy decision for me. I cancelled a business trip to Japan after the Fukushima disaster. There is no way I would visit China now. For me, the bottom line is: without good health, I'm not worth much. Too many people depend on me. I'm not big on gambling, especially when it comes to my health. AdamSmith and TotallyOz 2 Quote
paulsf Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 I’d go as long as your not headed into that area. Use caution and stay away from tourist areas. It’s business trip so you can limit physical contact. I’ll be in Hong Kong on Tuesday with no thoughts to cancel. I’ll see you in Bangkok soon. TotallyOz 1 Quote
Members nycman Posted January 28, 2020 Members Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) I would consider it in the same risk category as visiting NYC in flu season. If you’re elderly or otherwise have a weakened immune system...I’d skip the trip. The kicker is the government/media health panic that’s occurring. If you do happen to get sick while traveling, you have to assume that you may be quarantined ...in China. That scares me a lot more than just a “bad case of the flu”. Edited January 28, 2020 by nycman TotallyOz and JKane 1 1 Quote
caeron Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 I think with due caution, you will be fine. Minimize exposure to people, get in, do the meeting, get out. My view is that the real risk is very small currently. This could become the spanish flu, but it isn't today. At the moment, you're more likely to get killed crossing a street than from this. It is in our nature to fear the new threats and discount the old. TotallyOz 1 Quote
Members Buddy2 Posted January 28, 2020 Members Posted January 28, 2020 Definitely cancel. I have spent more time in Asia than Europe. That's enough. TotallyOz and AdamSmith 1 1 Quote
Members marcanthony Posted January 28, 2020 Members Posted January 28, 2020 CDC issued a level 3 warning (essential travel only to anywhere in China). That's pretty compelling that you would cancel... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s0128-travelers-avoid-china.html AdamSmith and TotallyOz 1 1 Quote
Popular Post AdamSmith Posted January 29, 2020 Popular Post Posted January 29, 2020 12 hours ago, caeron said: Minimize exposure to people Ever traveled to and within Asia? Good luck with that. nycman, msclelovr, Lucky and 3 others 4 2 Quote
Members Buddy2 Posted January 30, 2020 Members Posted January 30, 2020 I spent a year in Vietnam, including a week in Hong Kong (1968/1969). To my critics: what's up? Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted January 30, 2020 Members Posted January 30, 2020 @TotallyOz, I do not know how healthy you are. If you are healthy as I am, I would not be over concerned about getting infected. Mortality rate is "only" 2%. But I would be crazily concerned about getting locked in a quarantine area, or locked out of your home base for who knows how long. citylaw1, floridarob and TotallyOz 3 Quote
floridarob Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 The way things are unfolding and people think that the Chinese government isn't telling the whole story, I'd cancel. You may have no choice the way airlines are canceling flights Lucky and AdamSmith 2 Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: Mortality rate is "only" 2%. Besides that the risk may being underreported by govmt, 2% is still a fucking high percentage. Google any of the mathematical literature on statistics. That is an insanely dangerous threshold. Buddy2 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted January 31, 2020 Members Posted January 31, 2020 7 hours ago, AdamSmith said: Besides that the risk may being underreported by govmt, 2% is still a fucking high percentage. Google any of the mathematical literature on statistics. That is an insanely dangerous threshold. That is why I placed "only" in between quotations marks. Compare it to previous epidemics, like SARS. AdamSmith 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Latbear4blk said: That is why I placed "only" in between quotations marks. Compare it to previous epidemics, like SARS. Exactly. I was agreeing with you. Climate warming btw is only going to make these & other health crises more common & more severe. Here we go... Buddy2 and Latbear4blk 1 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 10 hours ago, AdamSmith said: Exactly. I was agreeing with you. Climate warming btw is only going to make these & other health crises more common & more severe. Here we go... I don’t think H. sapiens, much less much else, will be around in 50 years. Want to bet 25? flguy 1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 1, 2020 Members Posted February 1, 2020 10 hours ago, AdamSmith said: I don’t think H. sapiens, much less much else, will be around in 50 years. Want to bet 25? Sure, let's make it a tontine. Every resident of the planet contributes one penny. Last person gets the equivalent of 75 million dollars and a "blank" earth to play with. Best regards, RA1 Lucky and AdamSmith 2 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted February 1, 2020 Members Posted February 1, 2020 13 hours ago, AdamSmith said: I don’t think H. sapiens, much less much else, will be around in 50 years. I'm surprised by this level of defeatism, and the people who cling to it are in extreme danger or a danger to humanity. I am not a pessimist. I see plenty of reasons for hope, particularly in our educated youth. I'm probably not going to be around in fifty years, but I do believe that good has the power to overcome evil. But then again, I do believe in God. (It's possible I've been watching too much Star Wars.) nycman 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 2, 2020 Posted February 2, 2020 9 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: I'm surprised by this level of defeatism, and the people who cling to it are in extreme danger or a danger to humanity. I am not a pessimist. I see plenty of reasons for hope, particularly in our educated youth. I'm probably not going to be around in fifty years, but I do believe that good has the power to overcome evil. But then again, I do believe in God. (It's possible I've been watching too much Star Wars.) Agree with all your statements. EXCEPT I don’t believe at all that it’s defeatism. Instead, it’s the starkly real possibility of self-extinction that we must openly acknowledge in order to ‘trigger’ ourselves into the unprecedentedly radical plans of action that may have any chance of saving the planet, and ourselves. A global Manhattan Project to invent, test and perfect proactive geoengineering technologies and methods is the only path to species survival that I can see, motivated as above. Or any alternative ideas? The Paris Accords are by the immutable laws of physics many orders of magnitude too weak to do anything at all, given where we already are today. Again, to beat a dead horse, before I was a lit-crit type, I was studying to be a chemical engineer. So I know how the inexorable equations work. Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted February 2, 2020 Members Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, AdamSmith said: Instead, it’s the starkly real possibility of self-extinction that we must openly acknowledge in order to ‘trigger’ ourselves into the unprecedentedly radical plans of action that may have any chance of saving the planet, and ourselves. Yes, but we must be watchful of those who like to cry wolf, whatever their agenda. Those who like to use fear as a political weapon. Human beings are gullible and ill-informed. IMO, better to educate them with facts then continually smack them in the head with doomsday scenes akin to Hollywood's imagination. Unfortunately, there are very few sources left for the citizenry to trust. Edited February 2, 2020 by RockHardNYC Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: Yes, but we must be watchful of those who like to cry wolf, whatever their agenda. Those who like to use fear as a political weapon. Human beings are gullible and ill-informed. IMO, better to educate them with facts then continually smack them in the head with doomsday scenes akin to Hollywood's imagination. Unfortunately, there are very few sources left for the citizenry to trust. All this is alas only too true. What consists of ‘facts’ for the voting majority today? My thought had nothing to do with ‘political agenda’ whatsoever, only unblinking recognition of objective fact. Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted February 3, 2020 Members Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, AdamSmith said: What consists of ‘facts’ for the voting majority today? I can't speak for "majority," but from what I'm reading and hearing, loads of voters are doing due diligence now given what we know about Facebook. Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said: I can't speak for "majority," but from what I'm reading and hearing, loads of voters are doing due diligence now given what we know about Facebook. I absolutely agree with that. I think in particular that the under-25-yo voters might just be the salvation in 2020. Quote
floridarob Posted February 3, 2020 Posted February 3, 2020 So Oz, did you decide not to go (if not, let's meet for dinner Feb 7-17) Quote
