Hiring escorts desperate for money

[Europeanman]

On 1/5/2020 at 4:13 AM, caeron said:

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

Your posts read to me like you just don't like brown people and want to avoid them. Your shrill pronouncements about sexual predators ring hollow because you've never actually engaged with any of these guys. Suggesting you know their lives when you've never actually talked to any of them them is bullshit.  Speaking in 'defense' of them when you offer them nothing is also bullshit.

You are rationalizing your preference for white european guys, and trying to turn your preference into moral superiority. It isn't. 

I am sexually attracted to caucasians. This is a preference, not racism. The rest of your post is bs. 

[Europeanman]

On 1/2/2020 at 6:50 AM, KYTOP said:

Your comment reminds me I learned that from my first trip to Bangkok. My first trip to a Thai Boy Club I was a bit taken back and felt uneasy. Attractive Guys parading on stage in skimpy underwear with a number attached seemed like a meat market and I was very uncomfortable. But after talking to the guys I realized, as you stated, many had traveled from country villages to Bangkok for the sole purpose of being a sex worker. And I realized I was not only in a different country but a different culture and sex culture.

I actively hired escorts for about 10 years around the world, throughout my 40's and was a very active reviewer at the Old Hooboys site and a few here when Oz first started this site. The last escort I hired was when I turned 50 (2 heart attacks and 4 colon surgeries later I am now in my early 60's).

  I always stayed in a suite at the JW Marriott in Bangkok (this is important to the story). From my many trips to Thailand the one guy that still sticks out in my mind above all was on one of the first nights of my first trip. I met a cute tall guy at one of the smaller clubs. He returned to my room and after some play we ordered room service. He was truly thrilled and I asked him to spend the night. Then breakfast in the members lounge the next morning. I learned that he was from a farming village on the Burma -Thai border and came to Bangkok to be a sex worker, and had not been working long. His family knew why he came to Bangkok and he sent money back home. It was considered honorable. In the village he made money collecting dry-land fish, from a nearby river, and sold them in the village. For those that don't know, that is fish that remains on land after a river or stream recedes after a flood or high water. He lived in Bangkok with about a half dozen or more other guys where they shared one room. So the night in a suite at the Marriott was a big thing for him. I noticed when he was on stage he wore a battered dirty old pair of white tennis shoes without laces that barely stayed on this feet. After breakfast I asked him if he had other shoes, answer no. I asked the hotel if there was a department store near. There was a very nice one just a few blocks away. I asked him to go with me before he left. He did and I took him up the escalator to the shoe dept and told him to pick out a pair, whatever he wanted. I then saw the perfect picture of the Land of smiles on his face. He kept asking about this shoe or that one, I said whatever you want. I stood back laughing while he was sitting in the floor surrounded by a dozen boxes it seemed trying to pick. I think it brought me as much joy as it did him. He settled on a nice pair of Nikes if I remember correctly. Outside he was still smiling big, thanked me again, bowed and we parted. 

That night I went back to the small club and as I walked in he was sitting off to the side with other guys, wearing his new shoes, waiting for their turn to rotate on stage. As I sat down he pointed toward me and said something to the other guys. As some of them rotated off stage they come over to me, bowed, and thanked me for being kind to their friend. They did not ask to go with me, instead thanked me for their friend.

Now I don't know if he was "desperate", but I do know he was just working to support himself and family in a job he came to Bangkok to do and he thought it to be an honorable job. I had great sex with many sexy guys while hiring, including from a certain Escort Agency in NYC  , and remember many of these great encounters. But I remember absolutely nothing about the sex with him. But I still remember his reactions at the Luxury Hotel and how good I felt to make him so happy and put that big smile on his face. Yes he did spend the night with me more than once on two different trips. 

In those 10 years I hired around 200 guys  or so (plus repeats) and had close to 150 reviews on the OLD Hooboy site. I have no regrets nor feel guilty about anyone I hired, did not inquire as to their desperation for funds, and met some truly great people that I had much respect for.

I had a monthly regular in Indianapolis I met at a strip club. He was 'str8' but our 2 hr visit made his truck payment each month. His girlfriend had used a strapon with him but he loved the real thing more and was a fantastic bottom. Was he desperate for money? Don't know but he was great in bed and got this truck payment made. He got so hard with a cock in him I think he come out of the deal pretty good.  I hired several Escorts that were teachers needing to pay off student loans. Were they desperate? Don't know but they were great companions and great in the sack. 

Anyone that works, does it at least partly for the money, regardless of the profession. Even the rich.

This is precisely what I am trying to say here. You felt good because you offered a Burma farmer boy a night at Marriott in exchange for fucking? This is disgusting. I would never do it. I would never even consider it. 

[Europeanman]

On 1/2/2020 at 8:21 AM, caeron said:

 

It does strike me as a bit strange to think the boys in the clubs and massage studios would somehow be more desperate for your money than all the thai resort workers whose wages you seem happy to be pay.

They must be because they work in brothels and sell themselves for dollars. The US/Euro escorts visiting Thailand market themselves for 1,000s. 

[Europeanman]

On 1/5/2020 at 4:36 AM, AdamSmith said:

??? 

What drugs are you on?

This is well documented. There are gov initiatives to address it.

[Europeanman]

On 1/5/2020 at 5:06 AM, AdamSmith said:

May we know your financial history & circumstances?

Every single one of us here has told ours, but you.

We await.

If you have to know, I am in VC business.

[TotallyOz]

6 hours ago, Europeanman said:

They must be because they work in brothels and sell themselves for dollars. The US/Euro escorts visiting Thailand market themselves for 1,000s. 

Thousands of dollars?  You are wrong. Dead wrong and incorrect.

6 hours ago, Europeanman said:

This is precisely what I am trying to say here. You felt good because you offered a Burma farmer boy a night at Marriott in exchange for fucking? This is disgusting. I would never do it. I would never even consider it. 

You missed the entire point of the story and perhaps did not read it clearly. Or, you read what you wanted into it.

6 hours ago, Europeanman said:

If you have to know, I am in VC business.

Vaginal Condoms?  Sorry, I don't know what VC stands for.

[caeron]

9 hours ago, Europeanman said:

They must be because they work in brothels and sell themselves for dollars. The US/Euro escorts visiting Thailand market themselves for 1,000s. 

 

So simple solution. Offer these guys 1000s of euros. 

Your reaction to these guys says a great deal about you, and pretty much nothing about them. For a guy who claims to be in the VC business, you seem woefully unaware how global markets work.

Imagine all those desperate people in Thailand! They're all selling stuff for a lot less than you pay in NYC!! 

 

[bucky13]

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Edited January 8, 2020 by bucky13

[KYTOP]

So what is the difference between hiring a guy off the internet or a Club Stage for the same purpose? I am sure you did not take your high priced internet hire to a Motel 6. And if your telling yourself he is not with you because he wants the money then you are delusional. 

And sadly for you, you really did miss the true meaning of the story.

Edited January 9, 2020 by KYTOP

[Europeanman]

15 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

Thousands of dollars?  You are wrong. Dead wrong and incorrect.

You missed the entire point of the story and perhaps did not read it clearly. Or, you read what you wanted into it.

Vaginal Condoms?  Sorry, I don't know what VC stands for.

Check the Rentmen ads. The few guys I would consider hiring (all blond caucasians - sorry this is my sexual preference) were asking from $500 to $2500 per hour.

[Europeanman]

2 hours ago, KYTOP said:

So what is the difference between hiring a guy off the internet or a Club Stage for the same purpose? I am sure you did not take your high priced internet hire to a Motel 6. And if your telling yourself he is not with you because he wants the money then you are delusional. 

And sadly for you, you really did miss the true meaning of the story.

I said in previous post what I find wrong in hiring boys from the favelas. Sorry can not bother doing circles. Some people do not want to understand because they like it. Period.

[Europeanman]

12 hours ago, caeron said:

 

So simple solution. Offer these guys 1000s of euros. 

Your reaction to these guys says a great deal about you, and pretty much nothing about them. For a guy who claims to be in the VC business, you seem woefully unaware how global markets work.

Imagine all those desperate people in Thailand! They're all selling stuff for a lot less than you pay in NYC!! 

 

No because these guys do not have what I want. Its more than sex. Its also about companionship. I don't want these guys with me at the hotel bar. The thousand dollars toy boys are a much better accessory.  

Oh please teach me how markets work.

The desperate people in Thailand are not my problem.

[AdamSmith]

und vhat is vrong mit un Motel 6?

[caeron]

 

So, it is, after all, about you not wanting to be around these guys, and not at all about the price. It's about what you're comfortable with, and only that.

Just own that.

You don't know or interact with these guys, so stop putting your rationalizations for your own views on them. Ugly American isn't a good look on anyone.

[Europeanman]

5 minutes ago, caeron said:

 

So, it is, after all, about you not wanting to be around these guys, and not at all about the price. It's about what you're comfortable with, and only that.

Just own that.

You don't know or interact with these guys, so stop putting your rationalizations for your own views on them. Ugly American isn't a good look on anyone.

Absolutely! I do not like poor people they are full of problems. I do not like third world people near me. I do not know these guys and I do not want to know them. I said that before. 

Why do you prompt me to own it? I do.

"Ugly American isn't a good look on anyone" Sorry I don t understand. Please explain. 

[TotallyOz]

3 hours ago, Europeanman said:

Check the Rentmen ads. The few guys I would consider hiring (all blond caucasians - sorry this is my sexual preference) were asking from $500 to $2500 per hour.

In Bangkok?

[Europeanman]

11 minutes ago, TotallyOz said:

In Bangkok?

Yes Bangkok. I was surprised too. 2500 could be a mistake, but 500+ was the norm. My Russian guy was asking for 1500 in Bangkok and when he was in Paris he was asking for only 300 euros. I did not pay him these prices and I did not mention that I saw his ad, although I was curious to ask if he had clients at this rate.

[TotallyOz]

1 minute ago, Europeanman said:

Yes Bangkok. I was surprised too. 2500 could be a mistake, but 500+ was the norm. My Russian guy was asking for 1500 in Bangkok and when he was in Paris he was asking for only 300 euros. I did not pay him these prices and I did not mention that I saw his ad, although I was curious to ask if he had clients at this rate.

I saw him on the Apps here but did not inquire. One friend said his rate was 5000 baht. But, I know of no one that met him in Bangkok. However, I know of no escort what expects 1500 USD for an hour.

[Europeanman]

12 minutes ago, TotallyOz said:

I saw him on the Apps here but did not inquire. One friend said his rate was 5000 baht. But, I know of no one that met him in Bangkok. However, I know of no escort what expects 1500 USD for an hour.

He was with another Russian who was even better looking. They were lots of fun. 

By the way knowing him 5000 baht (150 euros) is unbelievably low for him. This is mani/pedi money for him.

Edited January 9, 2020 by Europeanman

[Latbear4blk]

Well, indeed someone is desperate in this thread.

[Latbear4blk]

I am puzzled at @Europeanman laughing at my previous joke. In my absolutely hilarious previous post (my comedian skills are legendary) I was referring to you. Reading throughout the thread, you seem to be passionately desperate for showing off your wealth and making excuses for your disgusting classist and racist comments.

So I am puzzled. Perhaps you thought I was referring to someone else? That would be quite stupid and disappointing. Perhaps you thoroughly understood my joke and are able to laugh at yourself? That would be great, kudos to you.

Of course there are still other possible explanations related to the very quality of my joke and my comedian talent. But I am sure you can let your own bitchiness to take over and inspire you.

 

[AdamSmith]

6 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I am puzzled at @Europeanman laughing at my previous joke. In my absolutely hilarious previous post (my comedian skills are legendary) I was referring to you. Reading throughout the thread, you seem to be passionately desperate for showing off your wealth and making excuses for your disgusting classist and racist comments.

So I am puzzled. Perhaps you thought I was referring to someone else? That would be quite stupid and disappointing. Perhaps you thoroughly understood my joke and are able to laugh at yourself? That would be great, kudos to you.

Of course there are still other possible explanations related to the very quality of my joke and my comedian talent. But I am sure you can let your own bitchiness to take over and inspire you.

 

There is always of course the possibility of just plain imbecility.

[Europeanman]

8 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I am puzzled at @Europeanman laughing at my previous joke. In my absolutely hilarious previous post (my comedian skills are legendary) I was referring to you. Reading throughout the thread, you seem to be passionately desperate for showing off your wealth and making excuses for your disgusting classist and racist comments.

So I am puzzled. Perhaps you thought I was referring to someone else? That would be quite stupid and disappointing. Perhaps you thoroughly understood my joke and are able to laugh at yourself? That would be great, kudos to you.

Of course there are still other possible explanations related to the very quality of my joke and my comedian talent. But I am sure you can let your own bitchiness to take over and inspire you.

 

It's called sarcasm. Google it.

[Europeanman]

1 hour ago, AdamSmith said:

There is always of course the possibility of just plain imbecility.

Thank you dear. I love you too.

[AdamSmith]

26 minutes ago, Europeanman said:

Thank you dear. I love you too.

Why we come here. We can laiugh without reservation at each other, and at out ourselves.

Especially the latter.