Moved here from the other side :)

[RockHardNYC]

10 hours ago, Europeanman said:

Timing is plain stupid unless they want to meet the Coachella crowd

In season, it's difficult to find a weekend that doesn't have some kind of event happening. However, few events are as heterosexually insane and demanding as Coachella. Traffic is an unbearable nightmare. Unbearable, even in a Jaguar F‑TYPE SVR.

10 hours ago, Europeanman said:

As for the "hotels" I googled them and I would never step in these places.

"Gay" PS hotels require a little more work than a lazy Google search. A few properties are better than others. It's true, most are nothing more than hotels posing as bath houses, and one needs to be very careful to avoid bringing home unwanted guests (on body and in luggage).

The "gay scene" has always been what it is: sex focused, no matter where you travel. Good sex is usually dirty, smelly, sweaty sex. The piss-elegant queens who require Frette bedding wrapped in a sterile sanitary napkin, scented with a daily douche of Cire Trudon, will be happier staying in a non clothing-optional choice. In other words: hetero with clothing on. With that comes rich kids and their nannies. However, some of the best looking gay and bi guys work on these properties, where the tips are much better. Middle class ghetto gays are notoriously cheap.

If you're the type of guy who enjoys looking, frolicking, and playing with other naked men, often poolside, cocktail in hand, in glorious sunny weather with superb mountain views, then Palm Springs may just be a dream come true.

10 hours ago, Europeanman said:

I also dislike the ghetto feel of gay hotels, gay restaurants, gay bars.

No one does "ghetto" quite like the desert queens, where the focus is sex in hot, dry air. Most of the locals have cactus skin.

Piss-elegant queens, especially those from Europe, should probably avoid the California desert. However, if you have a sense of humor and a health condition that requires dry heat, Palm Springs can nourish and delight. If you have any appreciation for 1930-1940 movie stars and their desert modernist homes, Palm Springs can be fascinating. If you like a cowboy type of man with rugged, tan skin, who likes to be naked in nature all the time, then naked men in Palm Springs can put a lilt in your step and a smile on your face.

2 hours ago, Europeanman said:

a cheap motel

Gone are the days of $35-a-night, when $70 got you a tan refresher weekend, six poolside blowjobs, and two evening orgies in a Jacuzzi. Of course, cheap is relative. Even the low-end places are struggling to keep overnight prices near $100. But if sleaze is your thing, CCBC still offers $25 day passes, where you can oink for long hours with fellow piggies. Outdoor sex can be so much fun.

If ghetto-tripping is not your drag, you can snatch the Library Room (my personal favorite) at the The Willows for $700-a-night. It doesn't feel like a hotel at The Willows, and rarely do you see kids running around. There's enough privacy in certain rooms with patios, you can spend all day naked if you want. The service is divine.

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[Buddy2]

Nobody cares. Palm Springs is too parochial.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Buddy2
Clarify

[Lucky]

"Nobody cares. Palm Springs is too parochial."

Edited 9 hours ago by Buddy2

 

Buddy is from Philadelphia. I won't say more.

The Coachella Weekend was not such a big deal when the Palm Springs Weekend was established. When it started, it was in October, no competition to the Palm Springs Weekend, which started in February and moved to warmer April. We've already sort of agreed that Coachella caters to a younger crowd. Before you mock old men hanging out together, consider the membership of these forums. Lots of older guys who can afford to hire escorts. And it is Palm Springs.

[Buddy2]

22 minutes ago, Lucky said:

"Nobody cares. Palm Springs is too parochial."

Edited 9 hours ago by Buddy2

 

Buddy is from Philadelphia. I won't say more.

The Coachella Weekend was not such a big deal when the Palm Springs Weekend was established. When it started, it was in October, no competition to the Palm Springs Weekend, which started in February and moved to warmer April. We've already sort of agreed that Coachella caters to a younger crowd. Before you mock old men hanging out together, consider the membership of these forums. Lots of older guys who can afford to hire escorts. And it is Palm Springs.

You seem to be unaware of  the ridiculous posts on the other site  hoping and praying for Palm Springs weekend to arrive sooner. As to Philadelphia, I love Australia far more than Palm Springs, and have already donated several times to brush fire emergency wildlife funds in Melbourne. If I was seven or eight years younger I woul be in Sydney or Melbourne now. I mentioned it to point out some guy destination's especially Sydney, offer far more than desert locations in the US.

[Buddy2]

1 hour ago, Lucky said:

"Nobody cares. Palm Springs is too parochial."

Edited 9 hours ago by Buddy2

 

Buddy is from Philadelphia. I won't say more.

The Coachella Weekend was not such a big deal when the Palm Springs Weekend was established. When it started, it was in October, no competition to the Palm Springs Weekend, which started in February and moved to warmer April. We've already sort of agreed that Coachella caters to a younger crowd. Before you mock old men hanging out together, consider the membership of these forums. Lots of older guys who can afford to hire escorts. And it is Palm Springs.

Philadelphia has several world class art museums and universities. I live across the street from the Barnes Foundation, with one the best collections of Cezanne, Mattise and  Renoir paintings in The world.

[Europeanman]

12 hours ago, RockHardNYC said:

In season, it's difficult to find a weekend that doesn't have some kind of event happening. However, few events are as heterosexually insane and demanding as Coachella. Traffic is an unbearable nightmare. Unbearable, even in a Jaguar F‑TYPE SVR.

"Gay" PS hotels require a little more work than a lazy Google search. A few properties are better than others. It's true, most are nothing more than hotels posing as bath houses, and one needs to be very careful to avoid bringing home unwanted guests (on body and in luggage).

The "gay scene" has always been what it is: sex focused, no matter where you travel. Good sex is usually dirty, smelly, sweaty sex. The piss-elegant queens who require Frette bedding wrapped in a sterile sanitary napkin, scented with a daily douche of Cire Trudon, will be happier staying in a non clothing-optional choice. In other words: hetero with clothing on. With that comes rich kids and their nannies. However, some of the best looking gay and bi guys work on these properties, where the tips are much better. Middle class ghetto gays are notoriously cheap.

If you're the type of guy who enjoys looking, frolicking, and playing with other naked men, often poolside, cocktail in hand, in glorious sunny weather with superb mountain views, then Palm Springs may just be a dream come true.

No one does "ghetto" quite like the desert queens, where the focus is sex in hot, dry air. Most of the locals have cactus skin.

Piss-elegant queens, especially those from Europe, should probably avoid the California desert. However, if you have a sense of humor and a health condition that requires dry heat, Palm Springs can nourish and delight. If you have any appreciation for 1930-1940 movie stars and their desert modernist homes, Palm Springs can be fascinating. If you like a cowboy type of man with rugged, tan skin, who likes to be naked in nature all the time, then naked men in Palm Springs can put a lilt in your step and a smile on your face.

Gone are the days of $35-a-night, when $70 got you a tan refresher weekend, six poolside blowjobs, and two evening orgies in a Jacuzzi. Of course, cheap is relative. Even the low-end places are struggling to keep overnight prices near $100. But if sleaze is your thing, CCBC still offers $25 day passes, where you can oink for long hours with fellow piggies. Outdoor sex can be so much fun.

If ghetto-tripping is not your drag, you can snatch the Library Room (my personal favorite) at the The Willows for $700-a-night. It doesn't feel like a hotel at The Willows, and rarely do you see kids running around. There's enough privacy in certain rooms with patios, you can spend all day naked if you want. The service is divine.

 

Thank you for all the information. I understand there is a certain attraction, but not for me (with the exception of the desert modernist homes). Greetings from another desert at the other end of the world.

[Latbear4blk]

7 hours ago, Buddy2 said:

You seem to be unaware of  the ridiculous posts on the other site  hoping and praying for Palm Springs weekend to arrive sooner. As to Philadelphia, I love Australia far more than Palm Springs, and have already donated several times to brush fire emergency wildlife funds in Melbourne. If I was seven or eight years younger I woul be in Sydney or Melbourne now. I mentioned it to point out some guy destination's especially Sydney, offer far more than desert locations in the US.

I am surprised that a group pf people's enthusiasm for getting together would trigger so many negative comments. I have been there once and I do not think I will be back, not because it is not an interesting and enjoyable event, but because I have other even more enjoyable things to do at that time. Indeed, there are not many occasions when clients and escorts can get together and socialize for a whole weekend. Rather than trashing it, I celebrate it even if it is not my thing.

[Lucky]

8 hours ago, Buddy2 said:

Philadelphia has several world class art museums and universities. I live across the street from the Barnes Foundation, with one the best collections of Cezanne, Mattise and  Renoir paintings in The world.

Once you've done the museums and want some culture, you have to go to New York! Unless that cracked bell intrigues you.

[Buddy2]

31 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Once you've done the museums and want some culture, you have to go to New York! Unless that cracked bell intrigues you.

I can actually see the Barnes Foundation from my living room windows. As I wrote, the museum is just across the street.

 

As important, I would absolutely miss being within a short bus ride from events at the University of Pennsylvania. And being able to use the University library. That would drive me crazy.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Buddy2

[RockHardNYC]

Palm Springs is not for everyone. Nor is L.A. I know plenty of New York show biz folk who hate L.A. (a la Woody Allen), and plenty of people who have no interest in desert life (Hollywood history or not). I've talked to several escorts who went to Palm Springs once and opted never to return. From bathhouse to boutique hotel to restaurant to stripper bar: No place can please everyone. And I'm perfectly OK with that.

I was introduced to the gay PS scene very early in my career. I was young. A closeted actor and his architect boyfriend took me there my first time. They chose the Riviera because of its history. The actor's boyfriend admired the work of Irwin Schuman. I remember not falling in love with the Riviera, and there were too many families with small children at the pool. But I certainly enjoyed the 15º difference in temperature from L.A., and I found the floral smell of the desert air and the star-filled nights alluring. We returned to the Riviera in 1984 for Sonny Bono's restaurant opening. I have wonderful memories of Sonny. That was my last visit to the Riviera.

I know a few gay men from across America who went to PS begrudgingly on business and fell in love with the place. Each called me to say, "The next time you go, please let me know. I would like to join you." I rendezvoused with four of those guys dozens of times in the 1990's and 2000's. We loved to hotel hop, which is why I know so much about the hotel scene. We always had a blast and had no problem hooking up with other handsome, fun men. I made many new friends during my PS visits. I'm still in contact with one couple who live in Amsterdam. I met them at The Triangle Inn with its original owners, Matthew and Kevin, who refused to turn their quaint resort into a bathhouse. The Triangle back then was a wonderful place for gay male couples from around the world to rest, relax, and be romantic, without the concern of 24/7 sex in your face or awful things floating in the Jacuzzi.

So for me, Palm Springs means personal memories from a young age. Nothing anyone says about the place will affect those memories.

As for the unsightly, rude pissing contest, I think Philadelphia is a great city with terrific people. Historic in every way. A wonderful melting pot of culture and diversity. Where would the music industry be without its musicians from Philly? My late, great, talented friend, Phyllis Hyman, was born and raised in Philly. And as tragic a story that The Barnes Foundation is, it's a must-see for any art enthusiast. Shame on any asshole who uses Philadelphia roots to mock and belittle someone who lives there.

[AdamSmith]

6 hours ago, RockHardNYC said:

Palm Springs is not for everyone. Nor is L.A. I know plenty of New York show biz folk who hate L.A. (a la Woody Allen), and plenty of people who have no interest in desert life (Hollywood history or not). I've talked to several escorts who went to Palm Springs once and opted never to return. From bathhouse to boutique hotel to restaurant to stripper bar: No place can please everyone. And I'm perfectly OK with that.

I was introduced to the gay PS scene very early in my career. I was young. A closeted actor and his architect boyfriend took me there my first time. They chose the Riviera because of its history. The actor's boyfriend admired the work of Irwin Schuman. I remember not falling in love with the Riviera, and there were too many families with small children at the pool. But I certainly enjoyed the 15º difference in temperature from L.A., and I found the floral smell of the desert air and the star-filled nights alluring. We returned to the Riviera in 1984 for Sonny Bono's restaurant opening. I have wonderful memories of Sonny. That was my last visit to the Riviera.

I know a few gay men from across America who went to PS begrudgingly on business and fell in love with the place. Each called me to say, "The next time you go, please let me know. I would like to join you." I rendezvoused with four of those guys dozens of times in the 1990's and 2000's. We loved to hotel hop, which is why I know so much about the hotel scene. We always had a blast and had no problem hooking up with other handsome, fun men. I made many new friends during my PS visits. I'm still in contact with one couple who live in Amsterdam. I met them at The Triangle Inn with its original owners, Matthew and Kevin, who refused to turn their quaint resort into a bathhouse. The Triangle back then was a wonderful place for gay male couples from around the world to rest, relax, and be romantic, without the concern of 24/7 sex in your face or awful things floating in the Jacuzzi.

So for me, Palm Springs means personal memories from a young age. Nothing anyone says about the place will affect those memories.

As for the unsightly, rude pissing contest, I think Philadelphia is a great city with terrific people. Historic in every way. A wonderful melting pot of culture and diversity. Where would the music industry be without its musicians from Philly? My late, great, talented friend, Phyllis Hyman, was born and raised in Philly. And as tragic a story that The Barnes Foundation is, it's a must-see for any art enthusiast. Shame on any asshole who uses Philadelphia roots to mock and belittle someone who lives there.

And as re the Barnes stupidity, the importance of the collection itself will in the long run outreach any of the short-term nonsense on current display.

In art history curation we have seen this over and over again.

[Buddy2]

I am surprised by the lingering resentment about the move into larger More modern building in Philadelphia with much better lighting, much more accommodating hours and above all light and also scholarly events concerning the collection.

[AdamSmith]

30 minutes ago, Buddy2 said:

I am surprised by the lingering resentment about the move into larger More modern building in Philadelphia with much better lighting, much more accommodating hours and above all light and also scholarly events concerning the collection.

Or the Whitney’s move from that (gorgeous, but still) Brutalist concrete monster in midtown to its new home: https://visit.whitney.org/ga/ticketing.aspx?node_id=540044&dt=05-17-2019.&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiPPyjNb_5gIVEIzICh094g1HEAAYASAAEgJlB_D_BwE#/step1

[Buddy2]

On 1/11/2020 at 10:46 PM, Lucky said:

"Nobody cares. Palm Springs is too parochial."

Edited 9 hours ago by Buddy2

 

Buddy is from Philadelphia. I won't say more.

The Coachella Weekend was not such a big deal when the Palm Springs Weekend was established. When it started, it was in October, no competition to the Palm Springs Weekend, which started in February and moved to warmer April. We've already sort of agreed that Coachella caters to a younger crowd. Before you mock old men hanging out together, consider the membership of these forums. Lots of older guys who can afford to hire escorts. And it is Palm Springs.

What a sad comment concerning Philadelphia. Wow. Perhaps you might do some basic research on the wealth of Cezanne paintings here, at the Philadelphia Museum of Art and the Barnes Foundation.