Moved here from the other side :)

[RockHardNYC]

5 hours ago, nynakedtop said:

feral creatures inhabit any space open to them

OUCH!, but funny.

5 hours ago, nynakedtop said:

Daddy finally provides the crazed clowns, fascists, racists a safe space

He always had an affinity for the street urchins. It all makes sense when you consider the known truths.

Last I heard (and saw), he was extremely overweight with a barrel stomach, the worst kind if you care about personal health. The state of his health has been precarious for awhile, and he suffers from an unsightly skin condition. One can only imagine his oral hygiene.

Honestly, what self-respecting, healthy, good-looking escort is going to want to be intimate and exchange bodily fluids with this guy? If I see a guy playing at my gym, and he has a bad case of psoriasis (or something else not known), I'm not going near him with my naked self, especially with my tongue. Unfortunately, that's the ugly side of escorting that no one wants to discuss openly. When a hot, healthy, good-looking man sells sex/intimacy for money, where does the escort draw the line when the customer is visibly unhealthy or it's publicly known that he is?

The success of Daddy's board, and I use the word success with wise and knowing reservation, is really quite simple: Hooboy was first, and Daddy was lucky with coattails. No matter how you prefer to slice and dice the facts, we are a niche audience. Relatively small in numbers. Gay guys tend to like crowds. More men to see and interact with. Most human beings are followers. Many human beings are not comfortable with change.

The day Daddy pulls the plug, the playing field will change. Perhaps sooner. Any gay guy who wants to contribute to a board run and owned by deej, is no one I wish to befriend. We will see what happens eventually.

Edited January 6, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[Buddy2]

nynakedtop's friend on the other site didn't realize that the most malicious member is probably neither gay nor bi,  which is fine but  in theory only.

[Lucky]

4 hours ago, RockHardNYC said:

Last I heard (and saw), he was extremely overweight with a barrel stomach, the worst kind if you care about personal health. The state of his health has been precarious for awhile, and he suffers from an unsightly skin condition. One can only imagine his oral hygiene.

 

That's pretty dirty pool, RockHard. You can find plenty to criticize the man for, but starting in on his personal appearance just isn't fair.  Many of us are either not so pretty or not so pretty anymore. Stick to the issues.

Edited January 6, 2020 by Lucky

[Latbear4blk]

 

[nynakedtop]

50 minutes ago, Buddy2 said:

nynakedtop's friend on the other site didn't realize that the most malicious member is probably neither gay nor bi,  which is fine but  in theory only.

Are you referring to my bud Mr. Trotsky?

And by "most malicious" there are several candidates for the position... mind giving me/us a clue? Thanks!

[Buddy2]

Someone now on time out.

 

I am William M 

[RockHardNYC]

3 hours ago, Lucky said:

starting in on his personal appearance just isn't fair

Since when is it unfair to judge an escort based on his looks? We paying customers do it all the time. Why then should we not be permitted to judge the looks and health of the man who sits at the top of the most powerful escort review site on the internet? A review site that many escorts use in their advertising, thereby supporting its owner.

My stand would be different, for sure, if the owner had decided to remain completely anonymous. If the owner did not share personal details about his life in public. If the owner did not permit photos of himself to be published on the internet. Daddy failed all the tests. Someone who behaves like Daddy can't have his cake and eat it, too.

If you go public and use the public to benefit yourself, your income, and your stature, you will be subject to all kinds of scrutiny, whether you like it or not. For those who don't like it, tough shit! Whiny little pussy bitches.

[Lucky]

Why then should we not be permitted to judge the looks and health of the man who sits at the top of the most powerful escort review site on the internet?

Because he is not selling his looks!!!

RockHard: " Whiny little pussy bitches. "

Totally Oz: Not sure why we can't have debates without calling others names

Edited January 7, 2020 by Lucky

[Buddy2]

55 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said:

Since when is it unfair to judge an escort based on his looks? We paying customers do it all the time. Why then should we not be permitted to judge the looks and health of the man who sits at the top of the most powerful escort review site on the internet? A review site that many escorts use in their advertising, thereby supporting its owner.

My stand would be different, for sure, if the owner had decided to remain completely anonymous. If the owner did not share personal details about his life in public. If the owner did not permit photos of himself to be published on the internet. Daddy failed all the tests. Someone who behaves like Daddy can't have his cake and eat it, too.

If you go public and use the public to benefit yourself, your income, and your stature, you will be subject to all kinds of scrutiny, whether you like it or not. For those who don't like it, tough shit! Whiny little pussy bitches.

Daddy has significant health problems. He discusses his his health  on his review site. I have never seen a photo of Daddy.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Buddy2
Clarity

[AdamSmith]

1 hour ago, Buddy2 said:

I have never seen a photo of Daddy.

Let us give thanks for all the blessings our lives have received. 

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, Lucky said:

Because he is not selling his looks!!!

No aggressive number of exclamation points and enlarged colored fonts is going to change the fact that Daddy owns and operates an escort review site that attempts to make money. That means, he is in fact selling looks, and a lot of other things. Nice try.

13 hours ago, Lucky said:

Totally Oz: Not sure why we can't have debates without calling others names

I'm sure Oz is smart enough to realize that my phrase, "whiny little pussy bitches," borrowed famously from Bill Maher, was a general comment addressed to the masses who like to bitch and complain. No one was named directly. Therefore, it was not intended to be a direct, personal attack. Not sure what to say about someone who would take it personally and apply the comment to himself.

13 hours ago, Buddy2 said:

Daddy has significant health problems. He discusses his his health  on his review site. I have never seen a photo of Daddy.

On the subject of running a business, I have ALWAYS objected to the way Daddy handles himself online. It is a JOKE and an embarrassment. In some way or another, he has used his escort review site, a fan base created by Hooboy, to curry favor with escorts and their fans, to seek sympathy by whining and complaining about the things he likes to complain about, to play "Daddy" to all of us, and to pretend to be proud and humble as he constantly asks members, sometimes through surrogates, to donate money so that he can pay his personal bills. In this age of Trump, how does anyone define disaster anymore?

I have the photos of Daddy (and deej) that got published. I have no proof who posted the photos, but some of us old timers remember some of the details. AFAIK, the photos of Daddy were sanctioned by himself. They were photos from an escort event, post Hooboy's death, and a few skinny young escorts took a seat on his lap. The photos were posted to his forum, and they remained there for awhile.

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[Buddy2]

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

No aggressive number of exclamation points and enlarged colored fonts is going to change the fact that Daddy owns and operates an escort review site that attempts to make money. That means, he is in fact selling looks, and a lot of other things. Nice try.

I'm sure Oz is smart enough to realize that my phrase, "whiny little pussy bitches," borrowed famously from Bill Maher, was a general comment addressed to the masses who like to bitch and complain. No one was named directly. Therefore, it was not intended to be a direct, personal attack. Not sure what to say about someone who would take it personally and apply the comment to himself.

On the subject of running a business, I have ALWAYS objected to the way Daddy handles himself online. It is a JOKE and an embarrassment. In some way or another, he has used his escort review site, a fan base created by Hooboy, to curry favor with escorts and their fans, to seek sympathy by whining and complaining about the things he likes to complain about, to play "Daddy" to all of us, and to pretend to be proud and humble as he constantly asks members, sometimes through surrogates, to donate money so that he can pay his personal bills. In this age of Trump, how does anyone define disaster anymore?

I have the photos of Daddy (and deej) that got published. I have no proof who posted the photos, but some of us old timers remember some of the details. AFAIK, the photos of Daddy were sanctioned by himself. They were photos from an escort event, post Hooboy's death, and a few skinny young escorts took a seat on his lap. The photos were posted to his forum, and they remained there for awhile.

 

One could guess that Daddy  did not attend Wharton Business School at Penn. Still, you are correct about his whinny comments. You are also correct about a relatively limited base for an escort review site. Did HooBoy live off the site? Was Daddy frequently left in charge while HooBoy was traveling?

[RockHardNYC]

1 hour ago, Buddy2 said:

Did HooBoy live off the site?

Others can speak more accurately to this. Hooboy had the advantage of timing. He created his creation at a time when ad revenue on the internet was still in the experimental stage, and porn sites were doing good business. Today, all that is past has changed. Some people foolishly believed that Hooboy made a killing. I'm sure Hooboy was no stranger to exaggeration.

During my tenure at Daddy's, when I seriously crunched the numbers, there was absolutely no evidence, not one shred, that a decent payment-for-time ratio could be found, let alone profit. 500 steady members for an internet "community" is a pet project, a hobby. Nothing more. Compare that to the 19-million+ that Jake Paul gets on YouTube, and you can see why Daddy is so desperate for donations. Like everything else, the price for bandwidth keeps rising.

1 hour ago, Buddy2 said:

Was Daddy frequently left in charge while HooBoy was traveling?

From what I know, Daddy was Hooboy's tech guy. Hooboy used Daddy to handle the code/software side of forum building, when it was all in its infancy. If Hooboy wanted to leave the site to Daddy upon Hooboy's death, he failed to stipulate that in a will. The rest is well-documented history, even on this site.

1 hour ago, Buddy2 said:

One could guess that Daddy  did not attend Wharton Business School at Penn.

You don't need a prestigious college degree to become a smart businessman. Business 101 at a public high school: the more personal weaknesses you reveal to the public, the more ammunition you give to your competitors and opposition.

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[zazzu]

On 1/6/2020 at 10:16 AM, Lucky said:

Let's face it, guys. We were there because it was an interesting place to interact with like-minded guys. Somehow we got on the bad site of the admins, and don't discount deej, who I think is a truly horrible person, and found ourselves banished. Many who do get banned/suspended come over here, then when they can go back to the other site, they run as fast as they can to get there. That's why I credit Adam Smith, who didn't pursue that path and refused the offer of help from others to get him back in the good graces there.

My own banishment followed an effort by Daddy to get me to come back after a previous one. It was a setup as apparently, or so I think, deej wanted to ban me. He proceeded to do so on the slimmest evidence. I won't go back again.

I was tempted to try and return under another name, even use a VPN to disguise my IP address, which was blocked.  However, the more I thought about it, I realized I didn't need to contribute to the conversation there and share my sage wisdom, such that it is, with the clientele on that board.  I can still peruse the boards and get info as needed, but contribute here.  The main reason I still visit that site is for their massage section.  I don't really see a comparable thread or forum here (unless I missed it), and I do love a nice erotic massage.  Even though the NYC spa thread on the other site is 150+ pages long, I know I can scan the last 10 or so pages and get current info.  But I will no longer add my 2 cents over there. 

[zazzu]

sorry. double post.

Edited January 7, 2020 by zazzu

[Buddy2]

I remember a Thanksgiving with HooBoy trying to post escort reviews from London. Major problems. He changed hotels several times.  I do believe his scattered, but warm personality helped a lot in establising  that  the site.

[caeron]

 

I'm not sure the point of standing in a new club, talking about the old club. 

Sorry some are still mad at how they were treated. Maybe it's a blessing to be able to move on from the nastiness. 

[AdamSmith]

3 hours ago, caeron said:

I'm not sure the point of standing in a new club, talking about the old club. 

Sorry some are still mad at how they were treated. Maybe it's a blessing to be able to move on from the nastiness. 

The past is dead.

Let it rest in peace.

[TotallyOz]

21 hours ago, RockHardNYC said:

I'm sure Oz is smart enough to realize that my phrase, "whiny little pussy bitches," borrowed famously from Bill Maher, was a general comment addressed to the masses who like to bitch and complain. No one was named directly. Therefore, it was not intended to be a direct, personal attack. Not sure what to say about someone who would take it personally and apply the comment to himself.

I thought you were referring to me. Perhaps I read too much into this?

[RockHardNYC]

8 hours ago, caeron said:

I'm not sure the point of standing in a new club, talking about the old club.

I have no problem doing it with restaurants that have changed chefs, owners, or locations. Or favorite hotels that have changed management or replaced the hot pool boy. For that matter, when my gym changes towel suppliers and the new towels feel like sand paper, you bet I talk to someone about it. When you like a certain something and you get used to it being there for your pleasure, it makes sense that you might miss it when it's gone and complain to someone who is feeling similar. Human nature.

8 hours ago, caeron said:

Sorry some are still mad at how they were treated. Maybe it's a blessing to be able to move on from the nastiness.

Not all of it was nasty. That's the thing. Hooboy's creation had a few unique attributes. It still has the most escort participation, and I include HE massage therapists. It's only natural that escorts want to "hang" where the most potential customers are, whether they like or interact with Daddy or not.

Say what you will about the disastrous collection of admin nincompoops, some gay men found friends there, as Buddy2 noted. The addition of PMs to the software was great incentive for like-minded men to engage more privately. Good stuff can happen with these bonding features.

Say what you will about Lucky, he started the Palm Springs Event at Hooboy's, which I hear is still going strong. No one seems to care if Lucky attends, but guys who go to this party can end up being lifelong buddies. Men can form a bond with a new escort poolside, and that relationship can last a long time. These positive attributes speak to the power of belonging. If someone takes them away, the effect can be depressing.

[RockHardNYC]

2 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

I thought you were referring to me. Perhaps I read too much into this?

Some people always read too much into the things I write on an escort board.

[Lucky]

On 1/7/2020 at 7:14 AM, RockHardNYC said:

No aggressive number of exclamation points and enlarged colored fonts is going to change the fact that Daddy owns and operates an escort review site that attempts to make money. That means, he is in fact selling looks, and a lot of other things. Nice try.

 

 

Oh, Rockie, you blowhard!  You criticized Daddy's looks. That was low. But you now evade my response, claiming that Daddy sells looks of escorts, but not his own!

It's the escorts doing the selling! Why not just admit you shouldn't have posted about his appearance? Be a big guy. By your argument, someone (not me!) could come here and criticize Oz's looks. That's be a low blow too, even though they wouldn't have much to say!

[TotallyOz]

1 hour ago, Lucky said:

Why not just admit you shouldn't have posted about his appearance? Be a big guy. By your argument, someone (not me!) could come here and criticize Oz's looks. That's be a low blow too, even though they wouldn't have much to say!

Looks like you stooped to his level. Now your whole argument is blown.

[RockHardNYC]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

Oh, Rockie, you blowhard! 

Now who's calling fellow members names? And mocking a username? And that's a known problem with you, Lucky. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE. You seem to think it's perfectly OK for you to criticize and judge others, but when someone else does it, and it's not to your liking, you flip a switch. Well, much like Daddy, I'm no longer having your bullshit.

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

You criticized Daddy's looks.

The Daddy banned me more than eight times. There is no shortage of Daddy criticism from me. I have years of experience with Daddy and his lopsided public behavior. Everyone who reads these boards knows it. (Btw, Oz has never banned me once. He's earned my support.)

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

But you now evade my response

I don't evade anything. Normally, I ignore. I have discipline. You are simply starving for my attention. Right now, I've decided to give you a little. It won't last for long.

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

Why not just admit you shouldn't have posted about his appearance? Be a big guy. By your argument, someone (not me!) could come here and criticize Oz's looks.

To my knowledge, Oz has never allowed a photo of himself to be published on either board. If and when he does, then I would say his appearance is open for public scrutiny. The lesson here is: If you don't want your beauty or lack thereof to be open to criticism, then always remain anonymous and never let the public see a photo of you. For anyone "selling" anything relating to good looks, this is smart advice.

Even if you're not selling "beauty" and you desire a public life, your looks may matter when it comes to public criticism.

Best Late-Night Jokes About NJ Governor Chris Christie, or better known as, when a grossly obese Republican politician fails at making his stomach-stapling procedure do him no harm.

Edited January 8, 2020 by RockHardNYC

[RockHardNYC]

8 minutes ago, TotallyOz said:

Looks like you stooped to his level.

Lucky was never at my level.