First-timer in Rio - please help

[mvan1]

33 minutes ago, Riobard said:

Look, toots, I could get repetitive strain injury writing pages upon pages but I am not going to fall into that trap. You are being somewhat obsessional and want it all laid out perfectly. The working guys would be herniating themselves in stitches over this exchange.

The sauna brothels such as Clube 117 are fairly structured. You pay the house for 30 minutes of room use and the garotos are accustomed to using up the time. With a shower before and after, the time flies. You won"t likely get a break from the house if you go over the limit even by a few minutes ... they will charge for two periods, unless you are well known or able to wear them down, as most Cariocas or repeat visitors would.

On free cabin nights only the first period is usually gratis. The privilege resets when you vacate the room. I often do an hour any time because I do not like to rush and often the guy will accept a small extra ... for example 30 minutes 125-150 translates negotiably to 60 minutes 180-200. That works for me cuz I generally do not see two guys I must have, prefer one robust orgasm, and make contact for a deferred date if another guy captures my interest. 

Social time with prostitutes onsite outside of the private room costs nothing but possibly optional refreshments. A lot of that interaction can be quasi-erotic if the client wants and the garoto knows he will get a programa.

There is no "short", only the conventional 30 minutes. "Long" is 35 minutes to infinity, there, "love motel", accommodations, etc, with a limitless array of price and sexual choreography contingencies. I have completed a few dozen versions of arrangements and have barely grazed the surface of the dating vistas beyond dinner and sex. It would be insane to stratify and categorize. 

Frankly, since you seem to be asking for advice, and do not speak the language, I suggest you stick to the two venues in your neighbourhood, possibly also Point 202, for at least a week, getting the lay of the land, ramping up some skills with respect to the smooth-operator games that may become evident, and not committing quickly to one guy. You seem anxious to quickly replicate your Thai-based playbook and I doubt I am the only reader who suspects this is unrealistic and naïve.

The go-to staffperson at 117, if you need support, is likely young little Patrick J, if still employed there. He is low in the hierarchy, usually pushing a broom, but warm-hearted, no attitude, whip-smart, and completely bilingual. I usually spend minimum 25 tipping the group of cleaners, distributing according to whim. 

Riobard, nice job on a nice post - I am rescinding your Bavarian clock forthwith.  Job well done -

[ncc1701d]

What is the fee for the room now that I read they are in 30 min blocks?  Helps for this newbie to know to factor in the "total" cost between boy and room and drinks. THanks

[Praguedude]

Funny-) 

[Bucknaway1614502762]

On 7/8/2019 at 7:15 PM, rtu123 said:

 

I'm going to Rio in August for the first time. I rent an appartment next to Club 117.

 

Are you back from your trip to Brazil? If so I would love to know the details of your time there. I'm also a well-traveled visitor to Thailand going on my first trip to Brazil in October and I would love to know the experiences of another first timer.

[mvan1]

10 minutes ago, Bucknaway1614502762 said:

Are you back from your trip to Brazil? If so I would love to know the details of your time there. I'm also a well-traveled visitor to Thailand going on my first trip to Brazil in October and I would love to know the experiences of another first timer.

Bucky, you have been away a long time.  

Good to see you posting again. 

I thought you disappeared because Trump got you to stay away.  

Have fun in Brazil.

You mentioned only "Brazil" in your post.  Brazil is a big place.  Do you intend to visit Sao Paulo and Rio or other places?

Brazil is huge and a different experience will be gained in different cities.  

[Bucknaway1614502762]

16 minutes ago, mvan1 said:

Bucky, you have been away a long time.  

Good to see you posting again. 

I thought you disappeared because Trump got you to stay away.  

Have fun in Brazil.

You mentioned only "Brazil" in your post.  Brazil is a big place.  Do you intend to visit Sao Paulo and Rio or other places?

Brazil is huge and a different experience will be gained in different cities.  

As a matter of fact I am taking this trip now before Trump builds the wall. Once the wall goes up how are the planes going to get out?

Originally I planned to only visit Rio di Janeiro. But after I booked my ticket and talked to a guy on PlanetRomeo I've decided to spend two to three days in Sao Paulo.  

I got a deal with United airways and they only have one connecting flight in Texas. The flight cost me $1,100 but it was not the average $1,300 or more that most major airlines we're asking for.

[mvan1]

2 minutes ago, Bucknaway1614502762 said:

As a matter of fact I am taking this trip now before Trump builds the wall. Once the wall goes up how are the planes going to get out?

Originally I planned to only visit Rio di Janeiro. But after I booked my ticket and talked to a guy on PlanetRomeo I've decided to spend two to three days in Sao Paulo.  

I got a deal with United airways and they only have one connecting flight in Texas. The flight cost me $1,100 but it was not the average $1,300 or more that most major airlines we're asking for.

Trump will find a way to stop aircraft unless they lock him in a looney bin first.  

I think you are wise visiting both cities, Rio and Sao Paulo.  I know both cities well. 

You can find a lot of travel information about each of those cities on this forum that should make your trip easier.  If you have any question that is not already posted and answered, let me know. 

You chose United Airlines.  I use them often.  They are reliable and mostly on time.  The airport in Texas (Houston) where you will connect from your domestic flight to the Brazil flight is huge.  Allow at least fifteen minutes to get to various gates unless you are a runner.  The airport is enormous and has many terminals.

After you arrive in Brazil and when you decide to travel from either Rio or Sao Paulo to the other city, you can take a "domestic" flight.  That means you leave from the downtown airports of either city rather than the far out international airports. 

This saves you money and time.  The domestic airports are down town.  Uber or taxis are cheaper than if you landed at the international airports.   

Alternatively, there is a very nice bus service that goes between Rio and SP that takes usually about five hours, considering the traffic.  The bus is cheap and has excellent comfortable seats.  The seats are huge and can be adjusted down flat in case you care to sleep.  The bus is like business class on an airplane if you want an idea of what you get is you take a bus.  There is a restroom on the bus. 

Taking a bus might seem like a lot of time however, if you factor in the time needed to arrive at the airports the bus is not that much more time.  It is certainly an unusual experience that allows you to see a bit of Brazil between the two cities. 

About half way between the two cities, the bus stops at a very nice roadway restaurant so that passengers can get a meal, if wanted.  Or, passengers can stay on the bus and sleep.  Only about 45 minutes is allowed for the restaurant stop.  

That is it for now.  

Have fun in Brazil.  

 

[Bucknaway1614502762]

Thanks for that information.  I think this is the first time I am hearing about a bus.  And the tip regarding the local airports is golden.

You're right there's a lot of information on this board but finding what you need here is like searching in a jar of nickels 4 specific Nichols...  

Thanks for the information it will come in handy. Now for something completely different, I realized I have to learn the language a little. I was talkin with a guy there and I agreed that I like fetish and he sent me a link of himself pissing in a guys mouth...  That showed me I need to have some understanding of what is being said hahaha

[mvan1]

36 minutes ago, Bucknaway1614502762 said:

Thanks for that information.  I think this is the first time I am hearing about a bus.  And the tip regarding the local airports is golden.

You're right there's a lot of information on this board but finding what you need here is like searching in a jar of nickels 4 specific Nichols...  

Thanks for the information it will come in handy. Now for something completely different, I realized I have to learn the language a little. I was talkin with a guy there and I agreed that I like fetish and he sent me a link of himself pissing in a guys mouth...  That showed me I need to have some understanding of what is being said hahaha

Hi Bucky, 

I am glad that some of my information is useful for you.  

Regarding the bus from Rio to Sao Paulo or vice versa you can google that and you will find the schedules and rates and places to catch the bus.  

If you decide to use the domestic airports, when you check flight schedules, make sure you enter the airport codes for domestic.  For example, Sao Paulo is GRU for internations but CGH for congonhas domestic, the downtown airport.  Likewise, for Rio the downtown airport is SDU not GIG for the international airports.  

You should probably wait until you arrive in Brazil before you decide on the bus or the airplane between the two cities.  The bus is fun the first time and the restaurant is nice.  Using the airports is a hassle.  It is a trade off what you feel like doing to get between the cities.  

The garotos told me about the bus.  I thought it was a bad idea until I went with one on the bus and I was pleasantly surprised.  

Remember, the garotos are frequently traveling between Rio and Sao Paulo to make money in the saunas.  It is nothing unusual to see a garoto in Sao Paulo that you met in Rio and vice versa.   Many travel on the bus to save money but mainly to save time.  Also, they can sleep on the bus while on the one hour flight, it is not practical to attempt to sleep.  

As to your learning the language, you surely don't think you are going to learn enough about the language to be able to communicate complicated subjects to garotos you meet.  Rather, I assume you have a small phone that includes a computer translator.  If so, and when you find a garoto (assuming in the sauna) that you like and you feel is compatible, you can enter your request in the translator and show it to the garoto.  The worst thing the garoto can do is say no.  Or, he can say yes or point you to someone who is willing to go along with your desire.  

Again, have a great time and be prepared to sprint quickly through the Bush air terminal in Houston.

EDIT - 

See this regarding the bus service between Rio and Sao Paulo:

https://www.busbud.com/en/bus-schedules-results/75cm8y/6gyf4c?outbound_date=2019-08-30&adults=1

The company I used was 1001 - they have the seats that are plush and become flat, if you like.  

The link discusses seats that recline etc. 

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by mvan1

[Bucknaway1614502762]

10 hours ago, mvan1 said:

See this regarding the bus service between Rio and Sao Paulo:

https://www.busbud.com/en/bus-schedules-results/75cm8y/6gyf4c?outbound_date=2019-08-30&adults=1

The company I used was 1001 - they have the seats that are plush and become flat, if you like.  

The link discusses seats that recline etc. 

 

This information help a lot. When I woke up this morning I decided to take a new approach to my time in Brazil. I can't thank you enough.

 

[pauleiro]

On 7/12/2019 at 4:59 AM, pfc said:

Thailand prices mentioned above definitely not for Bangkok and even a bit low for Pattaya.

Bangkok.   Short time. 2000.   Long time 2500/3000.    Drinks in gogo’s 350.    Off fee.  500.   

Is Tawan still open ? 

[pauleiro]

On 7/12/2019 at 4:32 AM, Riobard said:

 

The sauna brothels such as Clube 117 are fairly structured. You pay the house for 30 minutes of room use and the garotos are accustomed to using up the time. With a shower before and after, the time flies. You won"t likely get a break from the house if you go over the limit even by a few minutes ... they will charge for two periods, unless you are well known or able to wear them down, as most Cariocas or repeat visitors would.

It is true that the fare for the rooms in most saunas is for 30 minutes but not in 117 where the fare is for 40 minutes, except the free cabin days when only the first 30 minutes are free. In 117, they do register the exact time when you get the key and the exact time when you give the key back. I experienced this with A. I was surprised to be charged 80 R$. They explained me that I had exceeded the first period by 20 minutes since I got the key at 6.25.32 pm and gave it back at 7.24.55 pm. I did hot have the impression to have exceeded the time. Alex was a great partner ! With him time flew ... 

[ct2005]

On 8/30/2019 at 3:09 AM, pauleiro said:

Is Tawan still open ? 

Yes. It is.

[Riobard]

On 8/29/2019 at 3:18 PM, pauleiro said:

It is true that the fare for the rooms in most saunas is for 30 minutes but not in 117 where the fare is for 40 minutes, except the free cabin days when only the first 30 minutes are free. In 117, they do register the exact time when you get the key and the exact time when you give the key back. I experienced this with A. I was surprised to be charged 80 R$. They explained me that I had exceeded the first period by 20 minutes since I got the key at 6.25.32 pm and gave it back at 7.24.55 pm. I did hot have the impression to have exceeded the time. Alex was a great partner ! With him time flew ... 

Good points. Yes, 117 tends to have the strictest enforcers and it pays to check the computer screen when you leave. They have tried to charge me for going over 30 minutes, but that might have been when 40 minutes was not yet the standard. It is hard to keep track because some of the staff are friendlier with me and seem to let it go. I do not know if they have a comptroller auditing the program spreadsheets.

By rights, they should only ding you about 1 real per minute overage, though it is not a lot to begin with. One trick is to try get a little bit of foreplay done in the video room before taking it private.

On Tuesdays, the problem is waiting to have your your room ready because the booking system is all paper. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a marker or chalk board at reception to see where you are in queue. Perhaps they play favourites though.

[Latbear4blk]

On 7/9/2019 at 7:29 AM, Latbear4blk said:

I've been only for three days in Rio. So far these are the fees I am dealing with, all prices are in Brazilian currency:

Boy in sauna: 150/200, negotiable rate according to what you want to do. Personally, I do not like sex in the sauna, but it is the safer option to go to.

Escort publishing in Internet: 150/200. I got two  local porn stars for 200 the hour in my place. (I am only inviting these guys to my place because I got recommendations from a third party)

Spending the day together (I am not into overnights): Apparently the standard time is something like 10AM to 5PM. I was quoted 150, ended paying 250 because the guy was just amazing. He was also recommended by a third party.

I do not know whether or not these are representative prices, but they are the prices I have dealt with so far.

After two visits to Rio last year, I feel I should update this post. You can get a programa in a sauna from 80Rials. They will probably ask you for 200 if they think you are a non knowledgeable visitor. I have been paying 100, that I make 150 when I am very happy and want to meet the boy in my place later on. In 117 I was asked for 200 once by an exceptionally hot guy, but he went down to 150. 

About bringing guys to your place, the standard price is 200 per hour, but they actually do not watch the clock and in my experience you end with a multiple hours meeting for the same price.

[dallastexas]

On 7/11/2019 at 12:57 PM, mvan1 said:

Is that a joke?

If so, I am sorry I cannot find any humor.

I am in Brazil as I write this. 

I have been visiting Brazil for about sixteen years numerous times each year.  I could not venture a guess how many times I have been to Brazilian saunas.  I do know it is at least five hundred times. 

It has been my experience, and the experience of countless other sauna visitors, that at least half of the sauna garotos are twinks. Yes, at least half!

Perhaps we have a different opinion in defining a twink.

Maybe I need a new definition of twink but I think not.  Clearly it is not correct to write that it is rare to see twinks in the saunas.

Edit - I just saw the new post of Latbear4blk who also confirmed my observation of many twinks in the saunas

 

On 7/11/2019 at 12:49 PM, Latbear4blk said:

I am seeing many.

I am in Brazil right now and I concur with mvan1’s and Latbear4blk’s assessment.  Twinks are aplenty... and so are medium naturally built athletic built... as well as overly steroidal muscular men.  The men of 117 runs a gambit and the ratio of the three above mentioned physiques vary by night.  The most common denominator is that most, if not all, have large mega-cocks that are aimed to serve one’s fantasy, mouth, butt, eyes, et al.  

[dallastexas]

On 7/11/2019 at 11:32 PM, Riobard said:

Look, toots, I could get repetitive strain injury writing pages upon pages but I am not going to fall into that trap. You are being somewhat obsessional and want it all laid out perfectly. The working guys would be herniating themselves in stitches over this exchange.

The sauna brothels such as Clube 117 are fairly structured. You pay the house for 30 minutes of room use and the garotos are accustomed to using up the time. With a shower before and after, the time flies. You won"t likely get a break from the house if you go over the limit even by a few minutes ... they will charge for two periods, unless you are well known or able to wear them down, as most Cariocas or repeat visitors would.

On free cabin nights only the first period is usually gratis. The privilege resets when you vacate the room. I often do an hour any time because I do not like to rush and often the guy will accept a small extra ... for example 30 minutes 125-150 translates negotiably to 60 minutes 180-200. That works for me cuz I generally do not see two guys I must have, prefer one robust orgasm, and make contact for a deferred date if another guy captures my interest. 

Social time with prostitutes onsite outside of the private room costs nothing but possibly optional refreshments. A lot of that interaction can be quasi-erotic if the client wants and the garoto knows he will get a programa.

There is no "short", only the conventional 30 minutes. "Long" is 35 minutes to infinity, there, "love motel", accommodations, etc, with a limitless array of price and sexual choreography contingencies. I have completed a few dozen versions of arrangements and have barely grazed the surface of the dating vistas beyond dinner and sex. It would be insane to stratify and categorize. 

Frankly, since you seem to be asking for advice, and do not speak the language, I suggest you stick to the two venues in your neighbourhood, possibly also Point 202, for at least a week, getting the lay of the land, ramping up some skills with respect to the smooth-operator games that may become evident, and not committing quickly to one guy. You seem anxious to quickly replicate your Thai-based playbook and I doubt I am the only reader who suspects this is unrealistic and naïve.

The go-to staffperson at 117, if you need support, is likely young little Patrick J, if still employed there. He is low in the hierarchy, usually pushing a broom, but warm-hearted, no attitude, whip-smart, and completely bilingual. I usually spend minimum 25 tipping the group of cleaners, distributing according to whim. 

Very well written and very accurate!  Reminds me of my high school days when I am reading Cliff’s notes because I was too busy chasing boys and too lazy to read the literature assigned,  

[Tomcal]

I agree with Mvan, Latbear4blk, Paulerio, et al. the information they provided is very accurate and up to date! i am going back in a week starting my 19th year of visiting Brazil and truthfully not a lot has changed imho eclxceot the number of saunas operating! Although this trip the guys seem more desperate to make money ! i am getting a lot of messages from guys that left the sauna life from 1 to 3 to 5 even 12 years ago looking to meet up when i am there!  

My last trip two guys approached me who i had been with numerous times 12 years ago, they were now both still in good shape but with grey hair coming through and 34 -36 years old and looking for work! I bought them a drink but went with a sexy 23 year old!  The economy is still very bad for the general population!

[tassojunior]

On 7/11/2019 at 7:16 PM, rtu123 said:

Gentlemen! 

It is strange that nobody can give a clear answer about pricing. I DID check the whole forum and still I can't find a comprehensive anwer. There are so many people who visited Brazil multiply times!

Let me explain. I said I've visited Thailand many times. 

So, here is my reference as to the prices in Thailand, that I've shared on some forums when I was asked.

I think this is a good example. I'm sorry in post in Brazil section, but I want to give an idea.

 

short time = up to 2 hrs, hotel nearby to the club. otherwise +taxi fare. your hotel may charge additional money for a joiner (some hotels do not)

overnight = from time you take a boy from club till EARLY morning. do whatever you like - disco, eating, sex, whatever

weekly rate = staying together in the same room, sleeping/eating/going out/beach/going another city - everything

 

Standart go-go, standart boy, short time - 1000 baht. Overnight  - 1500- 2000. 2 weeks 24 hours - 20000-25000 baht

Muscled guy  - 1000-1500. Overnight - 2000-3000. 2 weeks 24 hours - 30000 - 35000

Big competitive bodybuilder from Tawan - 2000. Overnight - 3500--5000. 2 weeks - it depends

Low class go-go, bear bar - 700-800 baht for a twink. 

 

Bar fine - to be paid daily to club (you should add it to the above mentioned rates)

Beer bar and low class gogo - 200-300

Typical go-go - 300

Tawan - 400

Sex hotel for short time-300-400 up to 700 in Bkk

Bar drink (you must buy at lest one when you come to the club) - 70- 120 beer bar, 180-200 a gogo, 300 - tawan

 

Can somebody make a table that is similar to mine?

100

       100

100.      1 Hundred

 

One Hundred 

           O

           N

           E

     Hundred

 

 

[tassojunior]

On 7/11/2019 at 11:42 PM, germark01 said:

I have not been to the Saunas in Brazil and was really hoping to change that next year, Your comments are very informative to me.

Just came back from Themas in Barcelona (LOVED IT) and Adan in Madrid (was OK).

I was so encouraged with your post and tried it for the first time and thank you all for sharing.

 

Thermas and 117 in Rio compare nicely. Actually several Brazilians from 117 also travel and work Thermas.

At 117 the entrance fee is $20, 30 minutes with a guy is normally $25 but you have to pay $20 to rent a cubicle for 30 minutes. 

At Thermas admission is $20, 30 minutes with a guy is $60 but most cubicles are free. 

 

So for a 1 guy visit Thermas is $80 while 117 is $65. 

 

A provider makes $60 per client at Thermas but only $25 at 117.

 

To throw in Patagonya in Zurich, the guys there make $100 for 30 minute job while admission is $37 and cubes are free.