Members Lucky Posted July 2, 2019 Author Members Posted July 2, 2019 The New Yorker has an extensive article on Hunter Biden. Besides being an alcoholic, he has a history of cocaine use, including crack not all that long ago. But what gets me the most from the article is how intertwined all of the Washington people are. Hunter had a job with the same bank that donated millions to his dad. He was on boards that he had no business being on. His relationships with Chinese businessmen stink to high hell. And his dad is running for president. I'll bet not for long. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/will-hunter-biden-jeopardize-his-fathers-campaign AdamSmith 1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 2, 2019 Members Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 3:47 PM, mvan1 said: Let's see - you approve of many things Trump actually does - For example, do you approve of the fact that for eight years Trump hounded Obama and made countless false public statements claiming that Obama was not born in the U.S. and thus was not qualified to be president? Political statements may or may not be false but they are political. Do you approve of Trump's public interview when the White Supremacists in West Virginia caused violence and shouted hateful things about Jews and others? As I recall DT said he could see both sides. I took that to mean not either hateful side. Do you approve of Trump's cozying up to Putin, ignoring the fact that U.S. Intelligence agencies confirmed that Russia interfered (and continues to interfere) in U.S. elections? DT has made it a point to try to get along with our enemies. Better talk than fight. Do you approve of Trump referring to people from Mexico as murders and rapists? Some of them are. Do you approve of Trump's attempted Muslim ban? Within a limited context, yes. Do you approve of Trump cozying up with the dictator from North Korea and to the Saudi leader who authorized the killing of a New York Times reporter? Something the US has done forever and DT seems to be trying to limit their power. Do you approve of the fact that Trump has told more than 10,000 major lies in public speeches since taking office? I have no idea that this is correct. Do you approve of Trump running his businesses from the White House despite it being illegal and Republican senators ignoring that fact? He may be but it is by surrogate. Do you approve of the fact that Trump regards himself above the laws of our nation? All Presidents seem to have this trait. I could list countless things Trump has done and said. What do you think would have happened if Obama had done the above things? As stated before, nothing. He was and is a media darling. Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 2, 2019 Members Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) On 6/30/2019 at 4:28 PM, RA1 said: I disagree that DT did all of the things you list. Best regards, RA1 Proverb there are none so blind as those who will not see Understanding cannot be forced on someone who chooses to be ignorant. See also 2. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink Edited July 2, 2019 by mvan1 floridarob 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 2, 2019 Members Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, RA1 said: What do you think would have happened if Obama had done the above things? As stated before, nothing. He was and is a media darling. Did you approve of Trump's hounding of Obama about his American citizenship when it went on for eight years? Edited July 2, 2019 by mvan1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 3, 2019 Members Posted July 3, 2019 21 hours ago, mvan1 said: Did you approve of Trump's hounding of Obama about his American citizenship when it went on for eight years? You probably will not understand my reply but I view this "hounding" as similar to those who said that we should nuke enemies in the Middle East. Radioactive gas will burn OK in your pickup truck. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 3, 2019 Members Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, RA1 said: You probably will not understand my reply but I view this "hounding" as similar to those who said that we should nuke enemies in the Middle East. Radioactive gas will burn OK in your pickup truck. Best regards, RA1 You did not answer my question which was whether you approve of Trump's hounding of Obama (for years) falsely claiming that Obama was not born in America. How does your response relate to my question? Answer? - it doesn't Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 3, 2019 Members Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, mvan1 said: You did not answer my question which was whether you approve of Trump's hounding of Obama (for years) falsely claiming that Obama was not born in America. How does your response relate to my question? Answer? - it doesn't Of course it does. You simply did not understand it. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 3, 2019 Members Posted July 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, RA1 said: Of course it does. You simply did not understand it. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith 1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 4, 2019 Members Posted July 4, 2019 22 hours ago, RA1 said: You probably will not understand my reply but I view this "hounding" as similar to those who said that we should nuke enemies in the Middle East. Radioactive gas will burn OK in your pickup truck. Best regards, RA1 Some people like to fantasize about various scenarios. Such as nuking various enemies. I view Hilary Clinton's supposition that BO was not born in the USA as fantasy. Things that very likely either will not happen or are not true. You do remember that MS. Clinton was among the first to question BO's place of birth? Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 4, 2019 Members Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, RA1 said: Some people like to fantasize about various scenarios. Such as nuking various enemies. I view Hilary Clinton's supposition that BO was not born in the USA as fantasy. Things that very likely either will not happen or are not true. You do remember that MS. Clinton was among the first to question BO's place of birth? Best regards, RA1 There you go again; distorting facts and showing your disdain for anyone who is not White. You wrote in your above quoted post: "You do remember that MS. Clinton was among the first to question BO's place of birth?" and "I view Hilary Clinton's supposition that BO was not born in the USA as fantasy." No, unlike you, I do not remember something that did not happen. It was not Hillary Clinton who claimed that Obama was not born in the U.S. The origin of the false rumor was tracked back to two of Hillary's supporters. Hillary never entertained or uttered that false allegation like your hero Trump did repeatedly in newspapers and on television over and over again for years. See this fact check article: https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/ The fact that two of Hillary's supporters made that false claim sparked Trump, to start a nasty campaign against Obama (claiming that he was not born in the U.S.) that lasted many years. We all know that Trump had frequent television interviews falsely claiming that he had "secret" proof of Obama's birthplace being in Kenya, not the U.S. However, Trump never released the "secret proof" because no such proof exists or ever existed. Even after Obama authorized the release of his birth certificate, Trump continued to question Obama's birthplace. Trump also insisted that Obama's official birth certificate was false. In other words, Trump insisted the official state records of Obama's birth certificate were made up even though the certificate had a State seal of authenticity and the certificate was authenticated by the county recorder. One thing you should realize and remember is that you also are held in contempt by Trump because of your sexual orientation. Although you strongly support Trump, if he knew of your lifestyle, you would be on his long list of people to hate. He has often let his feelings about gays be known. I suspect that your strong support for Trump is really motivated by your own dislike for minorities. Your feelings come through in things you write and the strong support you show for Trump and his rantings. I especially recall your recent comment about the civil war (that was over slavery) and how you referred to the side that opposed slavery with disdain. The next time you want to make a false accusations (like you did about Hillary), please check your facts so that you do not look foolish when shown proof that your allegation is false. Your Hillary post merely reconfirms your true feelings for minorities. There are none so blind as those who will not see! Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 4, 2019 Members Posted July 4, 2019 3 hours ago, mvan1 said: There you go again; distorting facts and showing your disdain for anyone who is not White. You wrote in your above quoted post: "You do remember that MS. Clinton was among the first to question BO's place of birth?" and "I view Hilary Clinton's supposition that BO was not born in the USA as fantasy." No, unlike you, I do not remember something that did not happen. It was not Hillary Clinton who claimed that Obama was not born in the U.S. The origin of the false rumor was tracked back to two of Hillary's supporters. Hillary never entertained or uttered that false allegation like your hero Trump did repeatedly in newspapers and on television over and over again for years. See this fact check article: https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/ The fact that two of Hillary's supporters made that false claim sparked Trump, to start a nasty campaign against Obama (claiming that he was not born in the U.S.) that lasted many years. We all know that Trump had frequent television interviews falsely claiming that he had "secret" proof of Obama's birthplace being in Kenya, not the U.S. However, Trump never released the "secret proof" because no such proof exists or ever existed. Even after Obama authorized the release of his birth certificate, Trump continued to question Obama's birthplace. Trump also insisted that Obama's official birth certificate was false. In other words, Trump insisted the official state records of Obama's birth certificate were made up even though the certificate had a State seal of authenticity and the certificate was authenticated by the county recorder. One thing you should realize and remember is that you also are held in contempt by Trump because of your sexual orientation. Although you strongly support Trump, if he knew of your lifestyle, you would be on his long list of people to hate. He has often let his feelings about gays be known. I suspect that your strong support for Trump is really motivated by your own dislike for minorities. Your feelings come through in things you write and the strong support you show for Trump and his rantings. I especially recall your recent comment about the civil war (that was over slavery) and how you referred to the side that opposed slavery with disdain. The next time you want to make a false accusations (like you did about Hillary), please check your facts so that you do not look foolish when shown proof that your allegation is false. Your Hillary post merely reconfirms your true feelings for minorities. There are none so blind as those who will not see! You have no sense of humor. Best regards, RA1 paulsf 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 4, 2019 Members Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, RA1 said: You have no sense of humor. Best regards, RA1 I am supposed to find false information and bigotry humorous? No thank you AdamSmith 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:15 AM, RA1 said: What do you think would have happened if Obama had done the above things? As stated before, nothing. He was and is a media darling. In the science of logic, this statement is an error termed a false hypothetical. https://www3.canyons.edu/faculty/jonesa/Hypothetical Arguments.htm Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 5, 2019 Members Posted July 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, AdamSmith said: In the science of logic, this statement is an error termed a false hypothetical. https://www3.canyons.edu/faculty/jonesa/Hypothetical Arguments.htm Hilarious, but beyond the comprehension of a Trump supporter. AdamSmith 1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 9, 2019 Members Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 1:07 PM, mvan1 said: Proverb there are none so blind as those who will not see Understanding cannot be forced on someone who chooses to be ignorant. See also 2. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink You have written disparaging comments about DT and me personally while I have not written disparaging comments about you or any of the candidates that you might support. When DT is re-elected will you apologize? Just curious. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted July 9, 2019 Members Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 8:50 PM, AdamSmith said: In the science of logic, this statement is an error termed a false hypothetical. https://www3.canyons.edu/faculty/jonesa/Hypothetical Arguments.htm A trait often found on the posts herein. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 9, 2019 Members Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, RA1 said: You have written disparaging comments about DT and me personally while I have not written disparaging comments about you or any of the candidates that you might support. When DT is re-elected will you apologize? You are more misguided than I thought. Why would I apologize to you if that bigot Trump gets reelected? I have watched news reports that show Trump supporters mindlessly agreeing to every bigoted and hateful thing he says. Please recall Trump's comment about the West Virginia protest by a nazi group where Trump said about the violent group of Nazi's " "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/nazis-racism-charlottesville/536928/ One thing for sure is Trump and his supporters will not succeed in their quest to "make America white again" which clearly is what Trump and his supporters want. Don't forget your previous disparaging comment about the North and the civil war over slavery. Your comment revealed your true feelings about minorities. "When" Trump is reelected? That is delusional on your part. Trump's base is getting smaller as time goes by. Even now, it is not enough to get him enough votes to be reelected. Despite your support of Trump, he clearly is a bigot and dislikes minorities. You, being a gay, are a minority. It bewilders me to try to understand why you support Trump while he clearly has contempt for your lifestyle, and has said so many times. One example is what he has done to the gays in the military. Edited July 9, 2019 by mvan1 Quote
TotallyOz Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 Trump is a racist. People that support him are either racists or misguided. But, that is my belief and most of my friends from Bama support him as they think he is Godly. IMHO, again, very misguided. He is a con man. He always has been and I do not see why people fall for his cons. But, I do get why many support him as all they care about is putting conservatives on the bench and he is doing that in record numbers. Will he win? Maybe yes or no. As long as our system is the way it is, it is possible. I do not see any landslide in either direction. Our country is as divided as this thread. There are those who feel he can do no right and those who feel he can do no wrong. I think for now, it is a toss up. It is the democrats to blow and they are good at that. They always have been and I don't see that changing. Quote
TotallyOz Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 10 hours ago, mvan1 said: Despite your support of Trump, he clearly is a bigot and dislikes minorities. You, being a gay, are a minority. It bewilders me to try to understand why you support Trump while he clearly has contempt for your lifestyle, and has said so many times. One example is what he has done to the gays in the military. I agree. But, blacks support him, Hispanics support him, women support him and gays support him. Not the vast majority but he has some from all. Why? I don't get it. But, many people do not vote based on one issue. I do. I vote based on who they will appoint to the SCOTUS as I think that is what truly separates the candidates. mvan1 1 Quote
TotallyOz Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 I also think politics are a very tough subject on this or any board. I never understand someone not seeing the way I do as things seem to obvious to me. But, I am sure that RA feels the same. We all come to the voting both with different objectives and different mindsets. I never thought Trump would be elected but I fear that this may not be the last time we see him or a bigot in the White House. 1/3 of our country buys is BS. If they vote, they will. Why? Too many people sit home on their ass and don't give a shit. AdamSmith and Lucky 1 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 10, 2019 Members Posted July 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, TotallyOz said: I agree. But, blacks support him, Hispanics support him, women support him and gays support him. Not the vast majority but he has some from all. Why? I don't get it. But, many people do not vote based on one issue. I do. I vote based on who they will appoint to the SCOTUS as I think that is what truly separates the candidates. It remains a mystery to me, also, why anyone would support Trump; gay or otherwise. Of my many clients, I have only one who openly supports Trump, and that client, coincidentally, has been in and out of hospitals many times for drug issues. When that client has lucid days and he brings up the subject of Trump, I ask him how he could have allegiance to Trump considering Trump's obvious dislike for minorities (my client is a minority in the entertainment industry). My client responded by stating that Trump wants to make our country "great again" which to me, is not a meaningful answer. It is merely a repeat of something Trump used as a self-serving slogan in his quest to get into the White House. When was our country greater than it was before Trump came to office? Was it when homosexuals were put in jails or mental hospitals merely for being gay? Is that what Trump wants? Was it when police could have fun raiding gay bars merely to harass gays? Would Trump like that? Most people on this forum do not realize it was only 1967 when being homosexual ceased to be illegal in the United States. Think about it - And Trump wants to reverse advancements of minorities in order to "make America great again" Quote
TotallyOz Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, mvan1 said: It remains a mystery to me, also, why anyone would support Trump; gay or otherwise. Of my many clients, I have only one who openly supports Trump, and that client, coincidentally, has been in and out of hospitals many times for drug issues. When that client has lucid days and he brings up the subject of Trump, I ask him how he could have allegiance to Trump considering Trump's obvious dislike for minorities (my client is a minority in the entertainment industry). My client responded by stating that Trump wants to make our country "great again" which to me, is not a meaningful answer. It is merely a repeat of something Trump used as a self-serving slogan in his quest to get into the White House. When was our country greater than it was before Trump came to office? Was it when homosexuals were put in jails or mental hospitals merely for being gay? Is that what Trump wants? Was it when police could have fun raiding gay bars merely to harass gays? Would Trump like that? Most people on this forum do not realize it was only 1967 when being homosexual ceased to be illegal in the United States. Think about it - And Trump wants to reverse advancements of minorities in order to "make America great again" I don't disagree with anything you said. But, I have very smart and educated friends who support him. Thus, be weary for the next election. Friends, both retired Dentists, living in Florida, love him and only watch Fox news and have a gay grandson. They do not see anything wrong with anything he does and truly believe all the news against Trump is fake. He has a way to make people believe him regardless of how outlandish. That is why I think the election may not go as we wish in 2020. Quote
Members mvan1 Posted July 10, 2019 Members Posted July 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, TotallyOz said: I don't disagree with anything you said. But, I have very smart and educated friends who support him. Thus, be weary for the next election. Friends, both retired Dentists, living in Florida, love him and only watch Fox news and have a gay grandson. They do not see anything wrong with anything he does and truly believe all the news against Trump is fake. He has a way to make people believe him regardless of how outlandish. That is why I think the election may not go as we wish in 2020. That is scary! To have smart and educated people supporting Trump is difficult to understand. I always thought it was a dummy or not-so-bright person or bigot that supports Trump. Maybe that is why many people prefer not to discuss politics for fear of offending someone. Our country is sure in a mess, the way I see it and the way many others see it. On topic is something in the news the past couple of days that involves Britain’s ambassador to the United States (a very bright man who graduated summa cum laude from the third-oldest university in England) who called Trump “uniquely dysfunctional” and "expressed grave concerns about American economic and foreign policy, in a series of cables that were leaked to the British tabloid the Daily Mail and published on Saturday." "The leaked cables, prepared by Kim Darroch (who has served as ambassador from Britain to the US since January 2016), cover the entirety of the Trump presidency, even touching on an official state visit to the UK less than a month ago, when the Trump and his family attended a banquet at Buckingham Palace and afternoon tea with Prince Charles and Camilla, and laid a wreath at the Grave of the Unknown Warrior." There are some extremely bright people who can see Trump for what he really is! Lucky and AdamSmith 2 Quote
Members Lucky Posted August 30, 2019 Author Members Posted August 30, 2019 Biden is done. He confabulated a story about pinning a medal on a war hero, but he got most of the story wrong, despite giving his word, "as a Biden" that it was true. And he still cannot understand what his error is! I think he cannot survive this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-he-campaigns-for-president-joe-biden-tells-a-moving-but-false-war-story/2019/08/29/b5159676-c9aa-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/us/politics/joe-biden-gaffes-military-history.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage AdamSmith 1 Quote
floridarob Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 My Observation has been that ANYONE at this point ( I understand falling for the Con to vote for him) that still supports Trump is: 1) Super wealthy that his tax programs benefit them 2) Just plane racists and or stupid Check your bank accounts and let me know which one you are...... Quote