Members SolaceSoul Posted March 9, 2019 Members Posted March 9, 2019 My non-political reaction = UGH. My political reaction = cue Radiohead’s “Karma Police”: “this... is... what... you... get.” “The European Union announced on Friday that American travelers will need a new type of visa -- a European Travel Information and Authorization System or ETIAS -- to visit the European Schengen Area.” https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/us-citizens-need-visas-to-visit-europe-in-2021/index.html mvan1 1 Quote
Members funnerno1 Posted March 9, 2019 Members Posted March 9, 2019 Finally. I see no problem. Why should Europeans need visa when trevelling to the USA and Americans not when treveling to EU? Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 9, 2019 Members Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, funnerno1 said: Finally. I see no problem. Why should Europeans need visa when trevelling to the USA and Americans not when treveling to EU? Not all Europeans require a visa to visit the U.S. - Citizens of 38 countries and territories are eligible for visa-free entry into the United States under the VWP:[2][3] Andorra Australia Austria Belgium Brunei Chile Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Monaco Netherlands New Zealand Norway Portugal San Marino Singapore Slovakia Slovenia South Korea Spain Sweden Switzerland Taiwan1 United Kingdom2 Americans might retaliate and cancel the Visa Waiver Program What is fair is fair! sanddunes 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 9, 2019 Members Posted March 9, 2019 One strange thing about the visa waiver program is that it allows Australians to be part of the visa waiver program (see the above list of 38 countries in prior post) but Australia requires Americans to have a visa - Supposedly the Australian visa is free but it isn't. In order to get an Australian visa, you either have to pay a service to get it for you or you can go on the Australian site and pay twenty dollars for "processing" - nonsense - Quote
Members RA1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 The last time I went to Australia the airline issued me a visa on the spot. Admittedly this was a few years ago. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, RA1 said: The last time I went to Australia the airline issued me a visa on the spot. Admittedly this was a few years ago. Best regards, RA1 Only death and taxes are forever. What you got a few years ago "on the spot" is not what you get now. Here is a link that clearly explains the visa requirement for visitors to Australia from different countries. The United States is included in the list. Although there is no cost stated for the visa, there is a "processing fee" when you order the visa through the Australian government website. Notice that there is an option on the site to use various credit cards. The cost for the "free visa" is twenty Australian dollars https://www.etaaustraliavisa.org RA1 1 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 I really don't enjoy false information, otherwise known as fake news, but who can blame anyone for this newly created semantic drama? The new European Travel Information and Authorization System is NOT a visa. E.T.I.A.S. is simply a security registration, according to the European Union. Americans will not be required to visit a consulate to file any kind of application, fingerprinting is not required, and less information will be asked than is expected of visa applicants. gmine 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: I really don't enjoy false information, otherwise known as fake news, but who can blame anyone for this newly created semantic drama? The new European Travel Information and Authorization System is NOT a visa. - (YES IT IS) E.T.I.A.S. is simply a security registration, according to the European Union. Americans will not be required to visit a consulate to file any kind of application, fingerprinting is not required, and less information will be asked than is expected of visa applicants. Please do not call the newer travel authorizations fake news. Many countries are changing over to this type travel authorization. However, the documents (ETA) are still a visa. We live in an electronic age. Things have and are changing. Terminology is changing. New words are being created. It is not fake news because things change. True, it is no longer necessary to go to a consulate or embassy to get a visa provided a traveler has a legitimate passport. This is because an applicant's photo, fingerprints, and all personal data are electronically stored/linked with their passport, accessible by the country being visited. When a traveler obtains a visa or Electronic Travel Authorization, that document is a visa. The document merely has a different form because of the advancement of computer technology. Here is a link where you can read about the newer visa (ETA). Several countries already use this type of visa. Australia and Brazil are just two of many countries that already use it. Eventually, most countries will use this type of visa. No, there is no FAKE NEWS. https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-requirements/americans https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/03/08/united-states-travel-visa-europe/ Edited March 10, 2019 by mvan1 numerito and SolaceSoul 2 Quote
Members redxs Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 13 hours ago, mvan1 said: Not all Europeans require a visa to visit the U.S. - Citizens of 38 countries and territories are eligible for visa-free entry into the United States under the VWP:[2][3] Andorra Australia Austria Belgium Brunei Chile Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Monaco Netherlands New Zealand Norway Portugal San Marino Singapore Slovakia Slovenia South Korea Spain Sweden Switzerland Taiwan1 United Kingdom2 Americans might retaliate and cancel the Visa Waiver Program What is fair is fair! The 38 countries may not need a visa but you do need as ESTA... current price about $14 purchased online in advance. Wonder if Brits will need the ETIAS to visit Europe? Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 8 hours ago, mvan1 said: No, there is no FAKE NEWS. Sure there is. All the time. And the trend will continue. You're helping the trend right here on this thread. European Union authorities are claiming, over and over again, that the E.T.I.A.S. is NOT A VISA. Saying it is a Visa is wrong and misleading. Visa requirements are different. To all readers: know the difference before you travel. Cany10011 1 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted March 10, 2019 Author Members Posted March 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said: European Union authorities are claiming, over and over again, that the E.T.I.A.S. is NOT A VISA. Provide a link for your source(s), please. Thanks. Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted March 10, 2019 Author Members Posted March 10, 2019 Never mind. I found a WaPo article that attempts to clear up the confusion. It seems that the ETIA is categorized as a “travel authorization document” and not a “visa” — which for anyone reputable who works in US. immigration law will inform you that is a distinction without a difference: ”A spokesman for the commission said the E.U. decided to establish the ETIAS in summer 2018. In 2016, the European Commission proposed ETIAS, “an automated IT system created to identify any security or irregular migratory risks posed by visa-exempt visitors travelling to the Schengen area, while at the same time facilitate border crossings for the vast majority of travelers who do not pose such risks,” according to the fact sheet, which the commission released in July. It added: The ETIAS authorisation is not a visa. Nationals of visa liberalisation countries will continue to travel the EU without a visa but will simply be required to obtain a travel authorisation via ETIAS prior to their travel. ETIAS will be a simple, fast and visitor-friendly system, which will, in more than 95% of cases, result in a positive answer within a few minutes. An ETIAS travel authorisation does not reintroduce visa-like obligations. There is no need to go to a consulate to make an application, no biometric data is collected and significantly less information is gathered than during a visa application procedure. Whereas, as a general rule, a Schengen visa procedure can take up to 15 days, and can in some cases be extended up to 30 or 60 days, the online ETIAS application only takes a few minutes to fill in. The validity will be for a period of three years, significantly longer than the validity of a Schengen visa. An ETIAS authorisation will be valid for an unlimited number of entries. The ETIAS travel authorisation will be a necessary and small procedural step for all visa-exempt travellers which will allow them to avoid bureaucracy and delays when presenting themselves at the borders. ETIAS will fully respect this visa-free status; facilitate the crossing of the Schengen external border; and allow visa free visitors to fully enjoy their status.“ https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/2019/03/09/americans-must-soon-register-not-get-visas-travel-some-european-countries/ Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: Sure there is. All the time. And the trend will continue. You're helping the trend right here on this thread. European Union authorities are claiming, over and over again, that the E.T.I.A.S. is NOT A VISA. Saying it is a Visa is wrong and misleading. Visa requirements are different. To all readers: know the difference before you travel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rose_by_any_other_name_would_smell_as_sweet Quote
Members tassojunior Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 It (ETIAS) is not a really a visa. It is exactly the same as the form citizens of countries in the US's visa-waiver countries have to submit (ESTA). They almost automatically get 90-day "visas" to visit the US. Citizens of countries not in the visa-waiver program (like Poland) have to request a real visa and are usually turned down. Huge difference. Cany10011 1 Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, mvan1 said: Please do not call the newer travel authorizations fake news. Many countries are changing over to this type travel authorization. However, the documents (ETA) are still a visa. Of course it's a fake news. Do you really know what is a VISA ? A visa may requires a lot of time and money to establish, ie : 160 USD and a few days/weeks for a tourist US visa. ETIAS will cost 7 EUR for 3 years ! Why frighten people ? Here it's only a travel authorization like US ESTA or canadian AVE or australian eVisitor. What's the problem ? Why now? It has been adopted since september 2018.https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/09/05/european-travel-information-and-authorisation-system-etias-council-adopts-regulation/ And as usual : a travel authorization does not guarantee an entrance acceptation. Edited March 10, 2019 by BoyToyForXL Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, tassojunior said: It (ETIAS) is not a really a visa. It is exactly the same as the form citizens of countries in the US's visa-waiver countries have to submit (ESTA). They almost automatically get 90-day "visas" to visit the US. Citizens of countries not in the visa-waiver program (like Poland) have to request a real visa and are usually turned down. Huge difference. Exactly. For EU : Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not part of the US visa waiver program. Last year I was talking with a CZ young escort who was convinced he needed a visa to visit US. Which is wrong. Quote
Members tassojunior Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, BoyToyForXL said: Exactly. For EU : Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus are not part of the US visa waiver program. Last year I was talking with a CZ young escort who was convinced he needed a visa to visit US. Which is wrong. The new ETIAS will just be a reciprocal program with ETSA. Sort of notification you're coming so if you're banned they won't turn you around at the US airport and make you fly home (that happened a lot before ESTA !) The ESTA program can be dangerous when they think you're going in and out with too many 90-day stays which seem like you're living or working here. They actually can deny one. Many people try for the 6-month regular visa instead of the 90-day "automatic" visa. A lot of countries like Brazil have fairly automatic visas for US citizens (which is not reciprocal) but charge high visa fees Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BoyToyForXL said: Of course it's a fake news. Do you really know what is a VISA ? A visa may requires a lot of time and money to establish, ie : 160 USD and a few days/weeks for a tourist US visa. ETIAS will cost 7 EUR for 3 years ! Why frighten people ? Here it's only a travel authorization like US ESTA or canadian AVE or australian eVisitor. What's the problem ? Why now? It has been adopted since september 2018.https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/09/05/european-travel-information-and-authorisation-system-etias-council-adopts-regulation/ And as usual : a travel authorization does not guarantee an entrance acceptation. 14 My, oh, my! You have so few posts in this forum and already you are establishing yourself as an arrogant know-it-all muezzin like troll. A troll with tunnel vision. You asked - "Why frighten people?" Are you wacko? Who would be frightened over a visa? The best I can do for you today is to give you an enlarged definition of someone, like you, who is suffering from severe tunnel vision. "What does it mean when someone says they have tunnel vision? In slang, if someone says that someone has “tunnel vision” they mean that the person is looking at things from a very narrow perspective, and is not seeing or is aware of all the facts." paborn 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 10, 2019 Members Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: Sure there is. All the time. And the trend will continue. You're helping the trend right here on this thread. European Union authorities are claiming, over and over again, that the E.T.I.A.S. is NOT A VISA. Saying it is a Visa is wrong and misleading. Visa requirements are different. To all readers: know the difference before you travel. WACKO - semantics "US Citizens Will Need New Visa To Visit Europe Starting 2021" To apply for the ETIAS, US citizens will need a valid passport, an email account and a credit or debit card, the EU said on Friday. World | Indo-Asian News Service | Updated: March 10, 2019 05:00 IST ________________________________________ You will find countless news sources referring to the new requirement as a visa although the name and the rules are different. Are you incapable of understanding semantics? Even though the visa has a different name and different rules, it is still a visa, whatever you choose to call it, Mr Fake News, First Class - pompous know it all - _____________________________________________________________ An IQ score of 70 or below is considered a low score. On most standardized tests of intelligence, the average score is set at 100. Anything over 140 is considered high or genius-level. Approximately 68 percent of all people score somewhere between 85 and 115, the range within 15 points of the average.Sep 26, 2018 ______________________________________________ We know where you score! https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-considered-a-low-iq-2795282 Edited March 10, 2019 by mvan1 paborn 1 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted March 10, 2019 Author Members Posted March 10, 2019 As I mentioned above, some posters here are arguing over a distinction without a difference. The main difference between the ESTA and a visa is that an ESTA can be obtained electronically through an online form, while the tourist visa must be obtained at or through an embassy or consulate. The travel rights of entry and restrictions are the same for both. floridarob and paborn 2 Quote
Members tassojunior Posted March 11, 2019 Members Posted March 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, SolaceSoul said: As I mentioned above, some posters here are arguing over a distinction without a difference. The main difference between the ESTA and a visa is that an ESTA can be obtained electronically through an online form, while the tourist visa must be obtained at or through an embassy or consulate. The travel rights of entry and restrictions are the same for both. Actually there is an important difference. Citizens of visa-waiver countries are presumed to qualify for automatic entry unless some flag comes up on that person. Citizens of other countries have to apply for a visa and wait a long time for the process, during which there's a burden of proof on them to show they qualify and they are normally rejected. I've had several Czech friends visit whenever they want but Polish friends, from just a few miles over their border, are always rejected for visas because they're Polish. Quote
Members mvan1 Posted March 11, 2019 Members Posted March 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, SolaceSoul said: As I mentioned above, some posters here are arguing over a distinction without a difference. The main difference between the ESTA and a visa is that an ESTA can be obtained electronically through an online form, while the tourist visa must be obtained at or through an embassy or consulate. The travel rights of entry and restrictions are the same for both. Some forum members (not you) are hung up on specifics of the new rules. However, as has long been established - - - A rose by any other name is still a rose! paborn 1 Quote
Members tassojunior Posted March 11, 2019 Members Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) What's much scarier is that the visa-waiver program is reciprocal and because the US refuses to extend it to Poland, Bulgaria, and Romania of the EU, the EU has put the US on notice it will end it if those countries aren't included. Elimination of the visa-waiver program is what I thought when I saw these headlines today. An EU "Notice That I'm Coming" like our ESTA is harmless. When you deal with a lot of visiting friends who are from visa-waiver countries, you appreciate how difficult it is for non-visa-waiver countries' citizens to get visas to the US. People from Visa-waiver countries come in immediately 99.9% of the time. People from other countries must apply months ahead and 90% at least are rejected. The semantics of "Visa" vs "Visa-Waiver" are scary for good reason to a lot of people. Edited March 11, 2019 by tassojunior paborn 1 Quote
Members RockHardNYC Posted March 11, 2019 Members Posted March 11, 2019 22 hours ago, RockHardNYC said: but who can blame anyone for this newly created semantic drama? LOL. Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted March 14, 2019 Members Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) On 3/10/2019 at 11:14 PM, mvan1 said: My, oh, my! You have so few posts in this forum and already you are establishing yourself as an arrogant know-it-all muezzin like troll. A troll with tunnel vision. And now the reference to a religion. You are not very far from Godwin... Such haughtiness and disdain... Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge... My job is directly related to travel industry and especially the processing of passengers flows including safety, security and immigration. ETIAS is not a visa, period. And it is not because you say it that will be the reality. We will see in two years who was right or wrong. In the meantime I will not argue with you anymore as I don't want to bother other members. I love you too. Edited March 14, 2019 by BoyToyForXL Quote
