Members SolaceSoul Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/world/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-president-indigenous-lands.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur Jair Bolsonaro, on Day 1, Undermines Indigenous Brazilians’ Rights mvan1 and Latbear4blk 2 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted January 3, 2019 Author Members Posted January 3, 2019 And for those here who don’t care about racism, here’s his homophobia thrown in for good measure: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/brazils-bolsonaro-targets-indigenous-groups-lgbtq-rights-on-1st-day-as-president Brazil’s Bolsonaro targets indigenous groups, LGBTQ rights on 1st day as president mvan1 and Latbear4blk 2 Quote
paborn Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Frankly, I was thinking about revisiting Rio but this election has me delaying the thought to see how this pans out. I have enough at home with the orange monster. axiom2001 and mvan1 2 Quote
Members likeohmygod Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 I don't think that this will be a big problem, considering that the ministry for human rights in Brazil has been useless for ages in Brazil. Gay rights here in Brazil apart from marriage are non existent...yeah there's marriage but there's no law which protects LGBT people...and there will never be any. The country is gay friendly because of the way the inhabitants think...to brazilians (most) there's nothing strange. Sex industry (saunas and rentmen) will not get touched... On the contrary, Bolsonaro has increased the minimum wage for 2019 by an amount lower than the one expected by the budget law. mvan1 and Tomasian 2 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, likeohmygod said: I don't think that this will be a big problem, considering that the ministry for human rights in Brazil has been useless for ages in Brazil. Gay rights here in Brazil apart from marriage are non existent...yeah there's marriage but there's no law which protects LGBT people...and there will never be any. The country is gay friendly because of the way the inhabitants think...to brazilians (most) there's nothing strange. Sex industry (saunas and rentmen) will not get touched... I hope you are right about the saunas. I don't know what rentmen would have to do with Brazil because rentmen is a website based in Europe. While the saunas are based in Brazil. I know I previously posted the below article about a Sao Paulo sauna getting raided. Clients and garotos were forced to face a wall for photographers while police searched through client and garoto lockers. No one was arrested during the raid. The raid was solely a form of harassment. Let the below linked article be a reminder of how vulnerable saunas in Brazil can be. With Bolsonaro now in charge, anything gay is more vulnerable. Considering the hatred expressed by Bolsonaro for gays (for example: he would rather his son die rather than be gay) harassment at gay facilities is not a stretch of the imagination. axiom2001 and paborn 2 Quote
paborn Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 That's my fear - raids just because he is a monster. axiom2001 and mvan1 2 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, paborn said: That's my fear - raids just because he is a monster. That raid was a long time ago. It had nothing to do with Bolsonaro. The sauna had been in its location for many years without a problem. However, the building directly across the street from the sauna was renovated and made into a church. Although the sauna was there years before the new church was installed, the church people were horrified that a house of prostitution was located directly across the street from their place of worship. Hence, calls to the police were a regular thing from the church people. As a result, the police continued to visit (harass) the sauna users regularly but never arrested anyone. After so many frequent and nonsensical raids, clients and garotos stopped going to the sauna. In a matter of months, one of the funnest saunas in Sao Paulo had to shutter its doors forever. paborn 1 Quote
paborn Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 I understand. My fear is increased harassment which, even if not ordered, reflects well on the instigators in an ultra-right-wing regime. mvan1 1 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted January 3, 2019 Author Members Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mvan1 said: I don't know what rentmen would have to do with Brazil because rentmen is a website based in Europe. While the saunas are based in Brazil. By “rentmen”, he just meant an overarching term that includes escorts, payboys, etc. He wasn’t referring to the site. mvan1 and axiom2001 2 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, SolaceSoul said: By “rentmen”, he just meant an overarching term that includes escorts, payboys, etc. He wasn’t referring to the site. I sometimes read too fast - thanks Quote
Members mvan1 Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, paborn said: I understand. My fear is increased harassment which, even if not ordered, reflects well on the instigators in an ultra-right-wing regime. Have no fear - just be aware of the possibility of harassment. I visit Brazil often and I have no plans to stop visiting. Due to the current climate (not weather climate) I will now be more vigilant while in Brazil. Brazil - - - try it, you'll like it (for sure). paborn and SolaceSoul 2 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted January 3, 2019 Members Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, likeohmygod said: I don't think that this will be a big problem, considering that the ministry for human rights in Brazil has been useless for ages in Brazil. Gay rights here in Brazil apart from marriage are non existent...yeah there's marriage but there's no law which protects LGBT people...and there will never be any. The country is gay friendly because of the way the inhabitants think...to brazilians (most) there's nothing strange. Sex industry (saunas and rentmen) will not get touched... On the contrary, Bolsonaro has increased the minimum wage for 2019 by an amount lower than the one expected by the budget law. Perhaps gay right are not federally protected in Brazil (I do not know), but there is legislation in Bahia that protects gays against discrimination and harassment. The guys I have meeting overt there are extremely concerned. What is specially worrying in Brazil with civil and social rights in general (thinking beyond gay rights) is the absence of a strong civil society like in the USA. The Bahianos I talked to consider Bolsnaro's win as a military take over through elections.Do not forget Latin American military are not like the USA's, they have systematically violated the constitutions and attacked their own people. In part, USA's School of Americas in Panama is responsible. During the 70s and 80s Latin American military ranks were trained on something called "National Security Doctrine". According to this Doctrine, the military in our countries switched from national defense policies to watch and repress the enemies inside boundaries, meaning social movement, unions, civi rights leaders, and of course everyone who embraces socialism or communism or any leftist ideology. Many Brazilians are afraid this is a come back. Quote
Members docbr Posted January 4, 2019 Members Posted January 4, 2019 About gay rights, although there is no federal law criminalizing homophobia the current understanding of the brazilian Supreme Court (STF) includes it in the general anti-discrimination laws (on same level as religious discrimination, a level lower then racism). About gay couple rights, again no federal general law protecting it, but the understanding of the STF is that they have the same rights as heterosexual couples. (Including recognizing any cohabitational relationship that has public knowledge as a “stable union” with rights of pension and 50% of the possessions acquired by the work of “couple” during the duration of the relationship. Oh if the boys knew “theirs” rights, there would be no rich gay guy single in Rio... ) mark123 and MsGuy 1 1 Quote
Members mark123 Posted January 7, 2019 Members Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) On 1/4/2019 at 10:07 AM, docbr said: Oh if the boys knew “theirs” rights, there would be no rich gay guy single in Rio... ) LOL @docbr. Are you referring to just the locals or are you slyly including gringo sugar daddies? Edited January 7, 2019 by mark123 Quote
Tomcal Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 I know a wealthy American who didn’t learn the first time and ended up paying 2 different guys 5 years apart! the law as i understand it, is that if a partner is living with you 1 year he becomes entitled to 1/2,your assets(Brazilian). so either pay them a monthly check as a houseboy/butler/gardener or kick them out before the 12th month! Because the boys all know the rule!! and in this persons case, both guys exited at 1 year and one day to go live with their girlfriends, and sue for 1/2 the assets! SolaceSoul and msclelovr 1 1 Quote
floridarob Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Keep that in mind when you marry Alex..... Quote
Tomcal Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 you can tell him when you see him Friday! LOL floridarob 1 Quote
Members Lucky Posted January 7, 2019 Members Posted January 7, 2019 Tomcal is getting married??? Hmm, I thought that once before, and it didn’t happen. Quote
floridarob Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 The marriage is Alex idea, not Tom's, lol Quote
Members ferrar Posted January 8, 2019 Members Posted January 8, 2019 18 hours ago, Tomcal said: I know a wealthy American who didn’t learn the first time and ended up paying 2 different guys 5 years apart! the law as i understand it, is that if a partner is living with you 1 year he becomes entitled to 1/2,your assets(Brazilian). so either pay them a monthly check as a houseboy/butler/gardener or kick them out before the 12th month! Because the boys all know the rule!! and in this persons case, both guys exited at 1 year and one day to go live with their girlfriends, and sue for 1/2 the assets! But what they didn't brief you on are your hefty monthly ALIMONY payment obligations in that case. Which is one of the few things in Brazil that are actually legally enforced. Ex-husbands are routinely jailed for failing to pay court-imposed alimony and child support. Nothing else in the justice system seems to work. All sauna boys know this because many or even most of them have had to pay this or deal with those consequences. So they may be counting on your future spousal support to pay their own spousal support while with their current girlfriends LOL. Only in Brazil. paborn 1 Quote
Members sydneyboy1 Posted January 8, 2019 Members Posted January 8, 2019 Wouldn’t local law enforcement eg responsibility for the police be an entirely state matter? Assuming for a moment that the president had a negative view of say rent boy saunas wouldn’t his capacity to act be constrained by the fact that this would be a state or even local government responsibility or do I have my facts wrong? Quote
