Here We Go Again - Yet Another Gay Pedophile Arrest

[Gaybutton]

The following appears in PATTAYA ONE:

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Italian Arrest Following Allegations of Sexual Assault of a 14 Year Old Boy

 

Acting on an arrest warrant, Police from the Children and Woman’s Protection Division, based at Region 2 Police Headquarters in Chonburi, led by Police Lieutenant Colonel Gritar, arrested an Italian Man in Soi Sunee Plaza, South Pattaya following a complaint from a 14 year old boy who claimed he was sexually assaulted by the suspect, named as Mr. Massimo Mannari aged 49, a Chef from Italy.

 

The suspect was taken back to his home in Soi Neun Pleub Wan where evidence was collected and he was then taken to the Region 2 Police Office in Chonburi District for further questioning. It was revealed that the Tourist Police had arrested Mr. Mannari 6 years ago following claims that he was in possession of child pornography. Since then, he has been travelling to and from Thailand on a regular basis.

 

The current arrest warrant stated that the parents of the 14 year old boy claimed that Mr. Mannari sexually assaulted him in a local Hotel. These claims will now be investigated further and for now Mr. Mannari is assisting Police with the enquiry.

[Guest lvdkeyes]

These guys seem to never learn.

[Guest luvthai]

He must have cheated the boy on his tip.

[Guest laurence]

Maybe the farang will have to financially compensate the family for their suffering?

 

 

[Gaybutton]

These guys seem to never learn.

Assuming the allegation turns out to be true, it's yet another example of thinking with one's crotch instead of one's brain. Either way, once again Sunee Plaza gets negative publicity.

 

The story didn't mention the name of the "local hotel," but I can't help but wonder which hotel(s) still let a farang bring in an under-age boy. In my opinion any hotel that fails to insist on checking the ID of a boy brought in by a farang has a share of the responsibility for these incidents continuing to occur.

 

The article says the man was arrested in Sunee Plaza and that he had taken the boy to a "local hotel," which I believe translates to a short-time room somewhere in the Sunee Plaza vicinity. I have a feeling that what transpired was that this man was lured by the 14 year old, and the 14 year old is one of the under-age boys who hang around Sunee Plaza trying to make some money by seducing the pedophiles. If the man was arrested in Sunee Plaza, then most likely the boy went with the police and personally pointed out the man.

 

I tend to agree with Luvthai in that the reason for the arrest was that the man refused to pay the boy whatever amount the boy wanted. I also tend to believe that the parents don't exactly object to their child bringing in money this way if he's allowed to be out at night hanging around Sunee Plaza. Somehow I get the feeling that this farang was not the boy's first experience. I believe the fact that the man was turned in was a result of not forking over enough cash rather then the result of horrified, indignant parents who somehow found out that this man had sex with their child. I could be wrong, of course, but if I had to bet on it, that's the way I'd bet.

 

In any case, this incident, whether the man is innocent or not, only goes to show once again that any kind of sexual involvement with an under-age boy can lead to disastrous results. Nothing will happen to the boy. Nothing will happen to the parents. Nothing will happen to the "local hotel," but for the farang, if he's really lucky, getting out of this will at best cost him a fortune, not to mention the stress he must be going through.

 

The moral of the story: Don't take a boy unless he is at least 18 years old.

[Guest MonkeySee]

I also tend to believe that the parents don't exactly object to their child bringing in money this way if he's allowed to be out at night hanging around Sunee Plaza. Somehow I get the feeling that this farang was not the boy's first experience.

I would not be surprised if the parents encourage the child to look for farangs. Either that or else kicked the kid out to live on the streets. I feel sorry for the young kids that hang around Sunee and Yensabai. A lot of them sniff glue to keep down the hunger pains. In the past I gave money to some of the kids to get something to eat, but quit doing that. You have to watch it because the"self-proclaimed pedo police" start spreading rumors. GB is right, make sure your guy is 18. I do wish some of the little ones could find an orphanage or some help somewhere.

 

[Guest GaySacGuy]

The story didn't mention the name of the "local hotel," but I can't help but wonder which hotel(s) still let a farang bring in an under-age boy. In my opinion any hotel that fails to insist on checking the ID of a boy brought in by a farang has a share of the responsibility for these incidents continuing to occur.

 

GB...there are a lot of "hotel" that don't have a 24-hour desk clerk to check ID's, and some like Po Pot that have an outside entrance...so there are a lot of places where no checking goes on.

 

Also this is probably another misuse of the word pedophile. Pedophile refers to pre-pubescent children, which I seriously doubt fits this 14 year old.

 

I do agree that this was probably a consensual relationship that went sour over $$$$.

[Guest luvthai]

This does seem to be a setup. The bad thing is that the man was arrested before for porn which will no doubt up his cost for paying a settlement. With times getting so tough for everyone this does seem an easy way for parents to score big.

I wonder if this is the same 14 yr old that was included in the raids last June? He is a dark skinned malayasian/burmese boy and is said to be a police informant.

[PattayaMale]

A reminder that a Tour group who catered to gays and produced a magazine was accused of promoting underage sex and the magazine was ruled as pornographic or obscene. The magazine was certainly not as many will remember. The agency had to close and open under another name.

 

Corruption is a real money maker here in Thailand. I imagine that if the economy gets worse and tourism falls and more people are out of work, corruption may become worse.

 

That does not excuse people having sex with underage people. But everyone is at risk of being accused of anything if true or not.

[Gaybutton]

Pedophile refers to pre-pubescent children, which I seriously doubt fits this 14 year old.

That's a debatable point. The Oxford Dictionary defines it as:

 

paedophile (US pedophile)

· n. a person who is sexually attracted to children.

 

It doesn't say anything about it being necessarily pre-pubescent.

 

However, at my age a 45-year old can seem like a child!!!! Dig out the handcuffs!

 

All kidding aside, whether he would fit into the profile or strict definition of a pedophile or not won't help him very much. The important issue is for people to be damned sure about the age of a boy they are taking. If there is any doubt whatsoever that he is at least 18 years old, then you are placing yourself at this kind of risk, even if it is a scam.

 

I also wonder if there is more to the story than was published. If the only evidence the police have is the say-so of the boy, I don't know whether that would stand up in a Thai court. I also wouldn't want to have to find out.

[Guest laurence]

That's a debatable point. The Oxford Dictionary defines it as:

 

paedophile (US pedophile)

· n. a person who is sexually attracted to children.

 

Websters defines a "child" as a boy or girl in period before puberty.

[Guest joseph44]

Some pedofobiists even state that a 78 year old guy with a 25 year old BF might be considered as a pedophile.

[Gaybutton]

Websters defines a "child" as a boy or girl in period before puberty.

Does it really matter how dictionaries define it? I don't think so. I think what really matters is the practicality. We can debate the fine points as to what constitutes a pedophile from now until Kingdom Come, but the fact is that under Thai law you're a pedophile and you're going to jail if you are caught engaging in sex with anyone under age 18.

 

Some people might say, "Yes, but that only applies if money is involved. Under Thai law the age of consent is 16 provided no money is involved."

 

While that may be true, I wonder if any farang actually believes that if he is caught engaging in sex with a 16 year old the police and the Thai courts are going to accept a claim that no money was involved. I wonder if anybody really wants to find out.

 

The point is that whether it is technically correct to refer to someone as a pedophile if he engages in sex with someone who has already reached puberty, that's not going to change what will happen if caught engaging in sex with someone under 18 years old despite whatever dictionary might be available.

[Guest MonkeySee]

Websters defines a "child" as a boy or girl in period before puberty.

No, no, no, Webster is all wrong! The United States Government defines a child as anyone under 18.

 

[Guest laurence]

Does it really matter how dictionaries define it?

 

Does it matter how dictionaries define any word, if you or anyone else chooses to differ?

 

"When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more or less." Humpty Dumpty

[Gaybutton]

Does it matter how dictionaries define any word, if you or anyone else chooses to differ?

That's the whole point. Thailand has its own definition and, quite frankly, it can be confusing to try figuring out just what that definition actually is. However, anybody who ends up arrested for sex with an under-age boy can show the arresting police officers a dictionary. They may even read it . . . the whole trip downtown.

[Guest laurence]

However, anybody who ends up arrested for sex with an under-age boy can show the arresting police officers a dictionary. They may even read it . . . the whole trip downtown.

 

Sure won't quibble with you on that.

 

[Guest lester1]

Such is the frequency of arrests over the last 6 months or so, I would suggest that what we are seeing is a deliberate policy from the authorities. I supect that rather than engage in detective work, it might be that they have put the word around Sunee Plaza that if the youngsters were to 'shop' a farang they might be able to score a couple of thousand baht. This would mean that even if you were to pay a boy properly and be completely discrete, you would not be safe or secure. It will not have escaped the authorities that a couple of thou up front to a boy would be peanuts compared to the hundreds of thou pay off that would come their way from the farang. The only loser would be the farang.

The whiff of fear that this policy would blow around the plaza area would do more than anything to drive the underage problem away because it would drive interested farangs away. It may not be nice, or even stand up to rigorous defence in a court of lawyer (sorry, I have got my rose tinted glasses on here) and might only be a short term solution. I just wish the Thai authorites have a system in place to tackle the problem properly by removing all the homeless kids to a place of safety.

[Guest slackersam]

The problem is how can you be "sure" that a dude is at least 18? A lot of younger dudes can look as old as 22 and some 20 year old guys look 14.

 

I mean, am I supposed to check for gray pubic hair before I give head?

[Guest laurence]

I mean, am I supposed to check for gray pubic hair before I give head?

 

I would be more concerned if there were no pubic hair!

 

[Guest lvdkeyes]

The problem is how can you be "sure" that a dude is at least 18? A lot of younger dudes can look as old as 22 and some 20 year old guys look 14.

 

I mean, am I supposed to check for gray pubic hair before I give head?

If you have any doubt ask to see his ID card. Thais are required to carry them. In Thai years it is now 2551, so if he was born after this date in 2533 he is underage.

[Guest slackersam]

I would never, ever touch a cock without pubic hair - even if the dude was clearly in his 40s.

 

Call me crazy - but men have pubes and I like dick that looks the way it was supposed to look.

[Gaybutton]

I mean, am I supposed to check for gray pubic hair before I give head?

No. You're supposed to check his national ID card. The fact that you weren't sure is no excuse and won't help you if you try to use that as a defense. If you take a boy, under the law it is your responsibility to be certain of his age.

 

If you are not sure; if the boy has no ID card; if you have any reason to suspect the boy is using a fake ID or someone else's ID, or anything at all that causes doubt, then the solution is very simple: Don't take the boy.

 

No matter how much we debate the issue among ourselves, one thing is irrefutable: If you are caught in a sexual situation with a boy who has not yet reached his 18th birthday, or if it is later discovered that you previously engaged in sex with a boy who had not reached his 18th birthday, then you're going to be arrested and will have to face the consequences.

[Guest Steve1903]

I'm sure quite a few of us will have the occasional dalliance with guys who are hovering around the il/legal line. Really really silly not to just do a quick check just in case.

[Guest Astrrro]

If you are not sure; if the boy has no ID card; if you have any reason to suspect the boy is using a fake ID or someone else's ID, or anything at all that causes doubt, then the solution is very simple: Don't take the boy.

 

This is extremely wise advice GB!!

 

An ID card is meaningless unless if it's the boy's legal ID.

 

A few years back I wanted to off a very pretty ladyboy on Samui but I had doubts about her age. That's enough of a reason to walk. But I asked to see her ID. She left for about 5 minutes and returned and showed an ID that would make her 29 years old, obviously not hers. So I said bye bye and walked away.

 

If he looks too young there's a chance that he is too young. As Nancy Reagen said, "just say no" Or as GB says, "don't take the boy".