The Other Forum Closing

[TotallyOz]

7 hours ago, unicorn said:

Were Daddy and Hooboy romantic partners?

No, they were not even friends.

Hooboy died in Bangkok the night after his lover and myself had dinner with him. I was on my way to the USA and heard about it when I landed. I immediately got back on a plane and headed to Amsterdam where they lived to be with his long-term boyfriend.  Hooboy and I spent months together on 4 different continents. I knew his friends well. All the vultures that wanted to take his business without his family knowing headed to Hawaii to his funeral.

 

[Guest Harvitor]

I am glad I found this site for help. I feel both can be valuable. 

[nycman]

1 hour ago, TotallyOz said:

No, they were not even friends.

Hooboy died in Bangkok the night after his lover and myself had dinner with him. I was on my way to the USA and heard about it when I landed. I immediately got back on a plane and headed to Amsterdam where they lived to be with his long-term boyfriend.  Hooboy and I spent months together on 4 different continents. I knew his friends well. All the vultures that wanted to take his business without his family knowing headed to Hawaii to his funeral.

 

I never really figured out how Daddy got the company.

I know there was “behind the scenes” drama involving the long time boyfriend, but the outcome never really made sense. 

From the outside, it looked like the IT guy just took the keys to the company. 

[TotallyOz]

1 minute ago, nycman said:

I never really figured out how Daddy got the company.

I know there was “behind the scenes” drama involving the long time boyfriend, but the outcome never really made sense. 

From the outside, it looked like the IT guy just took the keys to the company. 

The whole drama is laid out on this site somewhere.

What you think things looked it, is as close to the reality as it could be.

[RockHardNYC]

6 hours ago, unicorn said:

Michael Jones was Hooboy?

I believe that's the message, but nobody wishes to be less than discreet. At what point is it OK to "out" someone?

http://michaelqseng.blogspot.com/2005/12/michael-hooboy-qseng-memorial.html

It also helps to explain why Hooville was the success that it was (although I would argue it wasn't nearly as successful as it could have been). Being a "pioneer" personality is a great ingredient for any recipe that is designed to build a "community." Having style, good looks, and a little fame is icing on the cake.

On some level, perhaps someone can make sense of the IT guy picking up pieces of the tarnished-silver skeleton that were left after the feeding frenzy. However, you get what you got, and time eventually reveals the truth.

1 hour ago, nycman said:

I never really figured out how Daddy got the company.

I don't think that's a fair characterization. Daddy scraped up whatever remnants of a website he could get his hands on and started his own thing "in the name of Hooboy." Daddy was Hooboy's IT guy.

[BenjaminNicholas]

RH: Clearly, that blogspot link was meant as a dig at HB and there are many other, authentic, heartfelt eulogies out on the web that better serve his life.

Oz is the only guy here who has accurately explained what happened following M's death.  

[RockHardNYC]

19 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

RH: Clearly, that blogspot link was meant as a dig at HB and there are many other, authentic, heartfelt eulogies out on the web that better serve his life.

I didn't sense a "dig," but my search was quick and cursory. Considering how Michael affected so many lives, I would hope that heartfelt stories could be found. However, if you Google Michael "Qseng" Jones Hooboy, not much comes up. Maybe others could offer better links. If I knew of any, I would.

Personally, I would enjoy hearing from some of his closer friends. I realize many are still alive and would like to remain anonymous, but still, how better to celebrate someone special than by sharing some truths in a tribute. What good is a legacy if only a handful of people are in the know? Gay men love a good biography.

[mvan1]

4 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

RH: Clearly, that blogspot link was meant as a dig at HB and there are many other, authentic, heartfelt eulogies out on the web that better serve his life.

Oz is the only guy here who has accurately explained what happened following M's death.  

I agree with you that the link is a dig at HB. 

Not only that, there are several totally false allegations in the article. 

The author of the article must not have had much to write about the day considering he invented a lot of the false nonsense about HB. 

The author should be ashamed of himself.  

[RockHardNYC]

5 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

that blogspot link was meant as a dig

 

1 hour ago, mvan1 said:

there are several totally false allegations in the article

It was not my intention to promote a fraudulent author. In this age of Trump, I'd like to expose all fraudsters, whenever possible. The link was one of three that came up on a Google search. If Oz wants to delete the link I posted, I support that.

There are plenty of posts on the internet about the death of Michael Qseng, which was his stage name. He had a successful career in show business. He had a fan base. It's also well known now that he created the first male escort review site, and his username was Hooboy.

It's been well over a decade since the man died in Bangkok. I can't think of a better way to honor him than by sharing some truth. If he was adamant about keeping everything secret, as he supposedly was about his age, then that might be a different story. These decisions are usually based on what he said to his closest friends in private.

[FluffPersian]

2 hours ago, mvan1 said:

I agree with you that the link is a dig at HB. 

Not only that, there are several totally false allegations in the article. 

The author of the article must not have had much to write about the day considering he invented a lot of the false nonsense about HB. 

The author should be ashamed of himself.  

The author nonchalantly accuses a recently deceased man of criminal behavior without evidence (screenshots etc).

[mvan1]

20 hours ago, unicorn said:

 

One of the biggest secrets no longer a secret:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/171445795/j-michael-jones

[Guest Moondance]

3 hours ago, FluffPersian said:

The author nonchalantly accuses a recently deceased man of criminal behavior without evidence (screenshots etc).

Not to mention calling those who frequented the deceased's website, and enjoyed the same hobby he did, "seedy old queens" … not exactly what you'd expect to find in a eulogy; sounds more like the intemperate hostility of a Trump tweet.

[Guest Larstrup]

This is fascinating indeed. All it takes is for one forum closing elsewhere; for then one aged drag queen to sloppily search for and then post out of ignorance of that knowledge a defamatory blogspot link of a historical figure and then a respected member here to then dig up and post his  burial headstone photo.

 Other than that – what’s happening boys? 

 

 

[kippy]

It all seems a bit caddy to me.  Let the dead rest in peace.

Kipp

[Guest Larstrup]

33 minutes ago, Larstrup said:

This is fascinating indeed. All it takes is for one forum closing elsewhere; for then one aged drag queen to sloppily search for and then post out of ignorance of that knowledge a defamatory blogspot link of a historical figure and then a respected member here to then dig up and post his  burial headstone photo.

 Other than that – what’s happening boys? 

 

 

Out of fairness, it’s important to state that the former, above,  knew nothing about HooBoy. Nor the forum of which he speaks of in general until 2006.  A full year and a half after HooBoy’s passing. His recommended advice for the forum development there, was rejected as quickly as was his recommendations here when he presented himself in the same manner.

I’m not surprised.  It’s always easier to tell someone else what they’re doing wrong,  than it is to create something better with your name attached to it. Isn’t it.

[AdamSmith]

This thread has turned repulsive.

When it sought the truth, it was useful.

Then it somehow went off the rails, from motives I still can't see.

I did not know HB personally, but he delivered a great deal of value to our world.

[mvan1]

56 minutes ago, kippy said:

It all seems a bit caddy to me.  Let the dead rest in peace.

Kipp

For those of us who knew him,  most of these posts are not at all preventing HB from resting in peace. 

Unfortunately, the article that was posted by RH was inappropriate because it contained many false statements.  Other than for that post, most of the posts are fond memories of the creator of a unique communication method for gays.  

I can understand how new posters would not have the same feelings as those of us who knew HB.   

New posters cannot relate to how many of us feel about HB's memory of being the pioneer of the first major gay chat room in the world.    

Try to imagine the novelty of HB venturing out in a new internet world and creating a chat site for gays who could converse with one another about almost anything they wanted to discuss. 

Of course, most of the discussions involved meeting escorts and/or hustlers, for want of a better word.  Many discussions involved travel locations for gays. 

HB created a unique world that new people now take for granted.  Let us give credit to who deserves credit.  

No, @Kippy - writing about HB with fond memories is not inappropriate and does not prevent him from resting in peace. 

I feel that your post was well intended even though it was off base because you were not around when these sites were started. 

[Guest Larstrup]

1 hour ago, mvan1 said:

For those of us who knew him,  most of these posts are not at all preventing HB from resting in peace. 

Unfortunately, the article that was posted by RH was inappropriate because it contained many false statements.  Other than for that post, most of the posts are fond memories of the creator of a unique communication method for gays.  

I can understand how new posters would not have the same feelings as those of us who knew HB.   

RH struggles with himself because the HooBoy history was not about him. And so he struggled to recreate himself in the image of HooBoy there, with Daddy and failed, as he did here, and failed with Oz, because every moment in time was not about him. So it’s not unexpected that someone so detached from history would want to recreate that history in their own image here only to fail again.

Posing that ancient blogspot link to feel informed  (most would know better here ) speaks volumes about the person who who posted it. 

[RockHardNYC]

2 hours ago, Larstrup said:

Out of fairness, it’s important to state that the former, above,  knew nothing about HooBoy. Nor the forum of which he speaks of in general until 2006.  A full year and a half after HooBoy’s passing.

Some trolls never change.

Speaking of ignorance. I published many reviews on the Hooboy review site long before I joined the forum in 2005. I joined the forum before Hooboy died. It was never a secret that I used a different username for the review section. I also had private correspondence with Hooboy. It took me many years to join the forum because I hated its tone and the way it was run. I'm sure I let Hooboy know it.

Any more lies and distortions, troll?

[Guest Larstrup]

4 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said:

Some trolls never change.

Speaking of ignorance. I published many reviews on the Hooboy site long before I joined the forum in 2005. I joined the forum before Hooboy died. It was never a secret that I used a different username for the review section. I also had private correspondence with Hooboy. It took me many years to join the forum because I hated its tone and the way it was run. I'm sure I let Hooboy know it.

You joined the forum over there in 2006.  Don’t try to re-create history. I have the receipts. And so does the owner.

[RockHardNYC]

1 minute ago, Larstrup said:

You joined the forum over there in 2006

Troll, much like Trump, repeating a lie as often as possible doesn't make it truth. Like Martha Stewart, I save all emails.

[Guest Larstrup]

6 minutes ago, RockHardNYC said:

Troll, much like Trump, repeating a lie as often as possible doesn't make it truth. Like Martha Stewart, I save all emails.

Interestingly enough, I’ve never said this before ever nor ever repeated it.  So I guess you’ll  just need to post your evidence as I’m sure you have. Before I do. 

[RockHardNYC]

1 minute ago, Larstrup said:

Interestingly enough, I’ve never said this before ever nor ever repeated it.

Troll, it's not that interesting. You stated it twice in this very thread. Step away from the drinky-pooh.

[RockHardNYC]

13 minutes ago, Larstrup said:

So I guess you’ll  just need to post your evidence

LOL! You mean the evidence from your claim that you are "under investigation for donations made to Daddy?"

21 minutes ago, Larstrup said:

I have the receipts.

Yeah, so did Whitney.

[mvan1]

15 hours ago, nycman said:

I never really figured out how Daddy got the company.

I know there was “behind the scenes” drama involving the long time boyfriend, but the outcome never really made sense. 

From the outside, it looked like the IT guy just took the keys to the company. 

How did he get the site?

One simple way for "daddy" to have taken possession of the site would have been if HB had a will or trust and ordered the site be given to daddy as a result of HB's death.  However, HB died suddenly and without warning while vacationing and did not have a will or trust naming "daddy" as the successor owner of HB's site. 

Two, there was no contract or partnership agreement naming "daddy" as successor.  

Three, another way to have gained access would have been to buy the site from the heirs of HB.  However, the site was unique.  There was no other similar site of its kind.  Thus, how could a fair and realistic value for purchase be placed on such an unknown product - the site?

In negotiating to buy the site from the heirs of HB it would be possible to tell the heirs of HB that the site has virtually no value because it is just a play toy for a bunch of homosexuals and therefore, has little or no market value.  Now that would not be a nice thing to do, if that what was done.  

Of course, people negotiate on many things.  Both sides (the wanting buyer and the heirs who want to sell) must use sound judgement when negotiating a price.    

Four, of course there are other ways the site could have been transferred to the heirs.  One way to know for sure would be to gain access to the probate records in Hawaii which would contain many things including any amounts paid to the heirs as a result of the disposition of the site to whoever got it from the estate of HB. 

 Food for thought without an appetiser.