Client Murdered...?

[Tomcal]

I just heard that a customer was murdered after going back to his place with 2 guys last Friday night...that's all I know so far.

[SolaceSoul]

2 hours ago, Tomcal said:

I just heard that a customer was murdered after going back to his place with 2 guys last Friday night...that's all I know so far.

What sauna did this originate from?

[SolaceSoul]

I just reached out to a few garotos I know. A couple had heard about the incident. They think the boys may have met the client at Point 202 and then went to a hotel, but they are not yet certain. I’m trying to get more details.

[Ojibear]

5 hours ago, Tomcal said:

I just heard that a customer was murdered after going back to his place with 2 guys last Friday night...that's all I know so far.

Poor man! 

 

[SolaceSoul]

The story that I’ve been getting, as it is  sing fleshed out by garotos and sauna workers that I know, is that the client was an older BrazilIan man. One of the boys worked at both 202 and 117, but the client met him at 202. The other boy was a “friend” of the garoto, but it is still unclear whether he actually worked at the saunas. They all went to a hotel and he was supposedly murdered over money (either he didn’t want to pay, or didn’t pay enough for their demands). 

As for the boys, the description I have is that they were both “pequeno” not “forte” - meaning they were on the twinkish side, not muscular guys (yet another reason why I tend to avoid smaller guys — they tend to have tough guy / Napoleonic Complexes, but I digress).

Never such a good idea to take two boys that you don’t know (even if you think you know one) to your hotel or apartment. Something similar occurred in The DR to a colleague a few years back.

[Tomcal]

Probably i have taken more guys back to my hotel and Apt. in the last 17 years , then most on this site. I have never had a issue, but a couple or steps i take to reduce a unpleasant issue from happening!

1) i never take a person back to my place alone the first couple times i am with him! I have usually 2 other to 4 guys staying with me all guys i know well!  First rule never be with a person alone in your apt. the first time! Even if they are just friends not sex companions! why i always have a 2?’ bedroom apt!(aside from the fact that it is too difficult for 4 people to sleep in bed all night after the fun is done!)

2) Always make sure it is a sauna guy who ID is on record, and that several people know you are going back to your place together and he knows you have told them.

3) Almost all the guys i have met and stayed over who don’t work in the sauna i have met through sauna guys who are longer term friends of mine!

4) if it is someone you just have to go with that night because you are so obsessed then take him to one of the many sex motels!

My current namorado i met through a sauna guy i have been seeing for almost 4 years! He brought this friend to Rio with him to spend 5 days with the 4 of us staying there together and it turns out we had a great connection and have been dating since!

[Latbear4blk]

This is so sad. I wonder how many times I have been in risk of being murdered. This is so tragic. One life lost and two very young ones probably ruined, all for pity money.

[Latbear4blk]

7 minutes ago, Tomcal said:

Probably i have taken more guys back to my hotel and Apt. in the last 17 years , then most on this site. I have never had a issue, but a couple or steps i take to reduce a unpleasant issue from happening!

1) i never take a person back to my place alone the first couple times i am with him! I have usually 2 other to 4 guys staying with me all guys i know well!  First rule never be with a person alone in your apt. the first time! Even if they are just friends not sex companions! why i always have a 2?’ bedroom apt!(aside from the fact that it is too difficult for 4 people to sleep in bed all night after the fun is done!)

2) Always make sure it is a sauna guy who ID is on record, and that several people know you are going back to your place together and he knows you have told them.

3) Almost all the guys i have met and stayed over who don’t work in the sauna i have met through sauna guys who are longer term friends of mine!

4) if it is someone you just have to go with that night because you are so obsessed then take him to one of the many sex motels!

My current namorado i met through a sauna guy i have been seeing for almost 4 years! He brought this friend to Rio with him to spend 5 days with the 4 of us staying there together and it turns out we had a great connection and have been dating since!

You forgot #5

If you bring someone to your home, keep a door closed and tell him not to make loud noises because your room mate is sleeping.

[Badboy81]

Im reaching out to a few guys I keep in contact with to get more details...I appreciate the report but getting some valid details would be helpful...

I always caution guys about thinking with their small heads versus their big brain...

Nobody deserves to be murdered or hurt over money but lets make sure we get all the details out

[SolaceSoul]

10 hours ago, Tomcal said:

Probably i have taken more guys back to my hotel and Apt. in the last 17 years , then most on this site. I have never had a issue, but a couple or steps i take to reduce a unpleasant issue from happening!

1) i never take a person back to my place alone the first couple times i am with him! I have usually 2 other to 4 guys staying with me all guys i know well!  First rule never be with a person alone in your apt. the first time! Even if they are just friends not sex companions! why i always have a 2?’ bedroom apt!(aside from the fact that it is too difficult for 4 people to sleep in bed all night after the fun is done!)

2) Always make sure it is a sauna guy who ID is on record, and that several people know you are going back to your place together and he knows you have told them.

3) Almost all the guys i have met and stayed over who don’t work in the sauna i have met through sauna guys who are longer term friends of mine!

4) if it is someone you just have to go with that night because you are so obsessed then take him to one of the many sex motels!

My current namorado i met through a sauna guy i have been seeing for almost 4 years! He brought this friend to Rio with him to spend 5 days with the 4 of us staying there together and it turns out we had a great connection and have been dating since!

I’m going to have to be the one to strongly advise readers, “DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.”

You are not Tomcal. You cannot do what he does. It may or may not work out for you in the same manner.

[Latbear4blk]

6 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

Im reaching out to a few guys I keep in contact with to get more details...I appreciate the report but getting some valid details would be helpful...

I always caution guys about thinking with their small heads versus their big brain...

Nobody deserves to be murdered or hurt over money but lets make sure we get all the details out

I agree, so far all information seem to be based on rumors and gossip. I think the bottom line is that we always have to be as careful as possible, but we must be aware that there is always a degree of risk. Shit happens even when we take all due precautions. 

I find interesting how the saunas GPs are reacting, as this kind of tragic events tarnishes all boys for many clients.

[TotallyOz]

Client and male escort murders happened in NYC when I was there. They happen in Thailand. They happen everywhere. It is part of life. It is sad for sure, but this is not uncommon and it is not just Brazil.  I have never had an issue with a boy in Brazil in my place and I have had hundreds of overnight guests. Same for Thailand and USA and Canada. But, I had some fucking close calls with nut cases as I tend to be attracted to the bad boy types but so far so good. Point is this is not uncommon and while tragic, it should not stop us from taking guys from Brazil or Thailand or USA or Canada. 

[docbr]

It is so sad to hear about a guy who was assassinated because he was doing what we all do... renting boys . We really should hear all that advices that are being written here. 

In the end I think it’s a matter of opportunity and unmet expectations ... there are many boys that cope with their work by thinking the clients are “viados” that they have the right to exploit to the max and expect to be paid without delivering. So they can turn to violence when they see you as weaker and vulnerable (and incapable of retaliation) or out of anger when they expect irreal rewards for their service. 

[Riobard]

Two sides to the equation. I have witnessed obnoxiously entitled clients drastically lowball more average or below-average looking garotos. One recent foreign tourist disdainfully and within clear earshot offering 50 reais to a shy somewhat older working guy who had not even been hustling the customer for a programa. 

Some others go off site to their already paid lodgings to avoid the cabin fee and yet want to pay a similar sex trade rate range. Burns my avocado toast.

This is not a unilateral offense-defense zero-sum game. It is more a reciprocal offense scenario based on mutual stereotyping. Perhaps it can be said it is a version of 'cold war'. Wringing and withholding are both money-grabs. Expect casualities.

DISCLAIMER: I don't know the current relevant details, just encourage a balanced view. 

[Latindude]

On 11/16/2018 at 9:58 AM, BlkSuperman said:

 This is a picture of one of the suspects. So sad.

 

 

Really? If my eyes don’t lie, this guy is a very experienced escort, working in saunas for many years, he also worked in Europe for some time. I talked few times with him, since he is a friend of a friend. He indeed has a huge cock..

well, or maybe he just looks like very much this guy that I mean. 

[SolaceSoul]

15 hours ago, Riobard said:

Two sides to the equation. I have witnessed obnoxiously entitled clients drastically lowball more average or below-average looking garotos. One recent foreign tourist disdainfully and within clear earshot offering 50 reais to a shy somewhat older working guy who had not even been hustling the customer for a programa. 

Some others go off site to their already paid lodgings to avoid the cabin fee and yet want to pay a similar sex trade rate range. Burns my avocado toast.

This is not a unilateral offense-defense zero-sum game. It is more a reciprocal offense scenario based on mutual stereotyping. Perhaps it can be said it is a version of 'cold war'. Wringing and withholding are both money-grabs. Expect casualities.

DISCLAIMER: I don't know the current relevant details, just encourage a balanced view. 

I have similar stories about unscrupulous clients — mostly traveling ones (which is why I prefer not to socialize much with unknown clients when I travel). Last week, at 117, I witnessed a tourist client cheat one garoto out of his money and time, and his only response was basically that these garotos are so poor and desperate that they should be lucky to get whatever we give them.

No one deserves to be murdered, but kindness and empathy and not treating these working guys like disposable trash is always a better option.

[likeohmygod]

I am not very sure about what to say about this story. All of the people I've been talking about this incident in Rio, told me different stories. 

I am beginning to think that this could be a fake story. At least in part. 

Only time will tell us the truth. 

[Riobard]

The current projected lifetime risk for Brasilians' homicide victim status is 1 in 50, if the tide does not turn. And that figure omits cases of upping the ante in cruising for a flatline. At a rate of 80 murders in Rio since the reported recent incident, chances are it won't be overtly news-worthy. 

The risk ratio of a hideous client expecting Powerball-win elation equivalency among club escorts bending over while being spared hawking, in congested traffic, crisps; frayed bleached tea towels; and cough drops, on any given day, is considerably worse. 

[Badboy81]

7 hours ago, likeohmygod said:

I am not very sure about what to say about this story. All of the people I've been talking about this incident in Rio, told me different stories. 

I am beginning to think that this could be a fake story. At least in part. 

Only time will tell us the truth. 

I cant seem to get anybody in Rio to validate the story

[Badboy81]

On 11/15/2018 at 11:16 AM, Tomcal said:

I just heard that a customer was murdered after going back to his place with 2 guys last Friday night...that's all I know so far.

I asked two sauna guys who work at 117 and Pointe if they heard about this....No from both

My buddy that lives in Rio but isnt big on the sauna scene but knows a lot of the guys said he hasnt heard anything about this...

Have you gotten any other info?

[alwaysrio]

The photo of this man needs to be taken down unless there is a verifiable charge made against him from a law enforcement agency. It amazes me how there is such bloviating about civil liberties on this site and then a photo is posted which could cause harm to someone who is completely innocent of a non existent crime.

[TotallyOz]

12 minutes ago, alwaysrio said:

The photo of this man needs to be taken down unless there is a verifiable charge made against him from a law enforcement agency. It amazes me how there is such bloviating about civil liberties on this site and then a photo is posted which could cause harm to someone who is completely innocent of a non existent crime.

I agree with you.

[sydneyboy1]

One reason I like the Brazilian saunas is that you have naughtiness on the premises with the minimum possibility of drama. I have had a couple of “misunderstandings “ over money in the saunas and only one nasty experience. People who take these boys back home are braver than me.

[TotallyOz]

23 minutes ago, sydneyboy1 said:

One reason I like the Brazilian saunas is that you have naughtiness on the premises with the minimum possibility of drama. I have had a couple of “misunderstandings “ over money in the saunas and only one nasty experience. People who take these boys back home are braver than me.

I agree. I do not recommend people to take from the saunas until they get the lay of the land.  Normally, I would have one long-term guy stay with me in the hotel and anyone we wanted to spend time with, he was there with me. However, on my first trip or two, I did get into some weird situations and I learned how to better read the sauna boys. 

[Tomcal]

• I talked to one of the sauna owners and he had heard the same story but no one I have talked to knew which guys were involved or who the client was, but assumed that they were trying to keep it quiet...  5 different sauna guys I know also heard the same story but unlike the incident that happened to the French guy 5 or 6 years ago, there has been no verification or names given