What's The Deal With Gay Republicans?

[BiBottomBoy]

If you look at this chart from Tuesday's vote it seems that at least 25% of gays voted Republican.

What's up with that?

 

 

[Tartegogo]

Some gay guys wanted to make sure that they boyfriend can never ask them “will you marry me?”. 

[BiBottomBoy]

That;s the only thing that makes sense to me.

[RA1]

Does no one else here believe in fiscal conservatism and liberal socialism?

Best regards,

RA1

[Tartegogo]

3 hours ago, RA1 said:

Does no one else here believe in fiscal conservatism and liberal socialism?

Best regards,

RA1

I do. But republicans don’t believe in balanced budgets any longer, at least not while they are in power, only when the dems are in power are they calling for a balanced budget. 

Just look at the annual deficit that they are racking up since a Trump got elected, it is nearly as bad as during the 2008-2012 financial crisis, even though the economy is doing great, and one should use this great economic prosperity to repay some of the debt, not grow it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/economy/us-budget-deficit/index.html

Reducing taxes but not reducing spending is not fiscal conservatism, it is populism. 

The next generation middle class will be repaying that debt. Someone will have too, and as long as republicans are a force, that debt won’t be paid by the super rich.

 

So I don’t see why these gay guys or I (if I were allowed to vote in the US) would vote for republicans for fiscal conservatism reasons.

Shouldn’t this thread  be moved to the politics forum?

[BiBottomBoy]

Not sure anyone reads the politics forum.

[kjun12]

I have at least two gay friends who are conservative repiglicans.  It is impossible for me to understand this.  Surely they must realize that most of those super conservative evil bastards would put us in concentration camps if they had enough power to do so.

[BiBottomBoy]

Kjun - that's my thought as well.

Real intellectual disconnect.

[Latbear4blk]

I do not see why it is so difficult to understand that there are gay republicans. Not everyone's identity is built around sexuality on one hand, on the other we re not one single issue voters. I would vote for a homophobic candidate if his/her agenda agrees with mine on other issues I consider more important. 

[BiBottomBoy]

More important than not getting killed?

[Latbear4blk]

I think we live in different planets. Or perhaps centuries. 

[Lucky]

4 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I do not see why it is so difficult to understand that there are gay republicans. Not everyone's identity is built around sexuality on one hand, on the other we re not one single issue voters. I would vote for a homophobic candidate if his/her agenda agrees with mine on other issues I consider more important. 

I am stunned.

[RockHardNYC]

On 11/10/2018 at 2:29 AM, BiBottomBoy said:

it seems that at least 25% of gays voted Republican.

What's up with that?

People are often creatures of habit. Lots of people do things simply because they and others have done the same things for a very long time. Lots of people vote for people who don't share their best interests. It's difficult to rationalize. Lots of irrational people out there voting.

On 11/10/2018 at 12:27 PM, RA1 said:

Does no one else here believe in fiscal conservatism and liberal socialism?

What does anyone mean when they use the term "liberal socialism?" Gag me with these elusive descriptors.

I have been a fiscal conservative most of my life. That does not mean I'm going to vote Republican. I don't need their tax breaks. I don't define "fiscally conservative" by giving HUGE tax breaks while skyrocketing the deficit. The Republicans whined like banchee bitches, screaming DEFICIT to anyone who would listen, refusing to give $1 to Obama's agenda, and that's when the cost of borrowing money was at its lowest. Now look at those whiney little hypocrite bitches.

Personally, I don't believe in deficit spending or living on credit, even though, early on, I didn't have much choice. I was delighted by Bill Clinton's surpluses. It didn't take long for George Bush to spend those in a flash, all in the name of giving wealthy people more tax breaks. It's selfish crazy.

For the most part, Republicans are a power/money hungry bunch. They behave entitled to power. They are liars and hypocrites, especially the ones in my rather large family. They're happy to embrace HUGE deficits when their man is in office. They love guns more than the children who die by them. They prefer a fetus over a child shot by a gun. They don't want their tax dollars going to anyone educated in public schools, especially minorities. Many are racist. They scream freedom, until it comes to who you love and what you do in your bedroom. They love to play God, while fearing God at the same time.

Republicans who are now Trumpists are the sickest bunch of all. They are embracing Fascism. They deserve our contempt.

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

I am stunned.

Nothing stuns me anymore. It's the Trump effect. Very hard to find a good and honest man these days who possesses a backbone with a caring heart and soul.

[BiBottomBoy]

Honestly if you are pro Trump you might as well fuck pussy.

[TotallyOz]

3 hours ago, BiBottomBoy said:

Honestly if you are pro Trump you might as well fuck pussy.

Grabbing it and fucking it are two different things.

For the life of me, I don't get anyone who is gay being a supporter of Trump unless money is their only issue and they believe his agenda will help them keep a bit more in the end and they can zero about future generations of gays. I know men like this but I don't understand them. 

[BiBottomBoy]

Me neither.

[kjun12]

11 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I do not see why it is so difficult to understand that there are gay republicans. Not everyone's identity is built around sexuality on one hand, on the other we re not one single issue voters. I would vote for a homophobic candidate if his/her agenda agrees with mine on other issues I consider more important. 

Are you an citizen of the United States?  Do you vote regularly?

[Latbear4blk]

39 minutes ago, kjun12 said:

Are you an citizen of the United States?  Do you vote regularly?

Yes and yes. I am a recently naturalized citizen, this vote was my first, I used to voted regularly in my country of origin.

[AdamSmith]

1 hour ago, Latbear4blk said:

Yes and yes. I am a recently naturalized citizen, this vote was my first, I used to voted regularly in my country of origin.

'Regular' means you shit as often as possible in this political climate.

[mvan1]

17 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

 

 I would vote for a homophobic candidate if his/her agenda agrees with mine on other issues I consider more important. 

 

 

[BiBottomBoy]

I mean you want to vote for tax breaks even though the part giving tax breaks hates black people, mexicans, arabs, women and gay men.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[kjun12]

Latbear4blk, I believe that you have a right to your opinion but in this case I feel that you are very wrong.  When a person is seeking public office and is homophobic I think he should be opposed.  They would hurt gay people in any way they can, and I will never vote for one.

[BiBottomBoy]

I agree.

[Latbear4blk]

Of course I can be wrong. I often am. Let  me explain a little bit what I said.

First of all, I think the debate around a candidate "homophobic" or "racist" nature, as it is going on right now about Trump, is pointless. We just cannot read people's thoughts and you just get into an endless exchange of anecdotal examples of how the guy is or is not whatever label you are discussing. I only care about the policies the candidate implements.

Second, I do think gay rights are important, but there are social and civil rights that are more fundamental, because they affect more people, like women rights or workers rights. So far I have never voted a homophobic candidate because usually the guys I agree with tend to be on the same page I am. I am a leftist, not in American terms of leftist (which would be just a Liberal), but in the world wide understanding of what a leftist is. 

So although I have never been in a situation where I had to vote for a candidate labeled as "homophobic", I can imagine one where I would support someone who opposes gay marriage but is for 12 weeks of paid maternity leave, for instance. 

But the thread was not about me but about gays who vote republican. Friends here are claiming they cannot understand them and I am just saying that it is very easy. Just one example, imagine rich gays. As any rich person, they are shielded from every day regular challenges. For them it is much important to get a tax cut or to keep the minimum wage low than promoting gay rights. And it is just one example, I am sure you all are smart enough to come our with countless different situations where a homosexual person can choose a candidate that is not so homosexual friendly.

For many people being gay is not the fundament for their identity. I know it is not for me. When I choose a candidate I disagree on many things, his or her policy on gay rights could be one of the things I am not in full agreement with.

[BiBottomBoy]

that"s evil