The dangers of using the "second brain"

[likeohmygod]

I want to tell you about an unpleasant episode which happened to me a couple of weeks ago in Sao Paulo. 

I live in Brazil since the beginning of this year, I am not a newbie and I did never have a problem with garotos (from saunas, and from the web).

The thing is that depending on who you are, and how horny you are, in some circumstances the "second brain" can replace the main one and let you do mistakes that can be quite expensive. So I was in SP, during a slow day to go for Lagoa, so I did my search on Grindr and I have found the sexy guy I was needing for. Since my apartment was so messy it looked like a bomb exploded in it, I decided to go to his place (100 mt from my apartment). Now, this is already something you must not do, it's not safe. But I was in SP, I have never had a problem even when going to GP's apartments, and I am a fluent portuguese speaker. Rate set, ready, go. To lower the risks, I always bring with me the GP's tariff + 20/50 reais just in case, plus a credit card (which is a card where I can set a spending limit whenever I want, using the smartphone app).

The guy was good, as in the pictures, good sex. Not the best, but still good. So what happened? At the moment of paying (here's another mistake i will explain you later), after taking a shower I realized I was missing a 100 reais note. At the beginning I started to think that it must have fallen out somehow. The guy was helping me to look for it inside the apartment. Then I have realized how stupid was the thing I was doing and how good was the acting of the guy. There was no chance that a 100R note could fall out of the wallet and out of my trousers by itself, and I did check the amount 3 times before leaving my home. So I was unable to pay the boy by cash, who pretended to look surprised by my words. Even if I do not show any sign of fear and I can speak some good portuguese, i am still a young 70 Kg, tall and untrained european white guy; so there was no reason to get beaten down by a 90Kg tall muscular moreno latin guy inside his home, by letting him notice that I was missing 100 Reais because he actually took that note from my wallet when i wasn't looking. So in the end he took out his credit card terminal and I paid him the difference (plus 50 reais to cover the "transaction fees").

In the end the damage has been very small, but what would have happened if at my place there was a guy who easily gets scared and axious, and that doesn't speak portuguese? What would have happened if this guy wasn't alone and was looking to steal more than 100R?

The truth is that this is my first bad experience (well in part, cause sex was good haha) out of hundreds...but shit can happen, especially if as you do the mistakes I did:

1. Do not go to a GP's apartment unless you already know him well and you know what you're doing....you don't know what can happen in there.
2. If going to a GP's apartment, pay in advance. Some people believe that paying later will convince the GP to perform better. The thing is that it's bullshit since the GP perfectly knows that you're in a hostile environment and that in any case you will pay him to don't have problems...willing or not. If I did pay before having sex, I wouldn't be writing this thread now, since the wallet would have been with nearly nothing to steal inside.
3. Do not shower in a GP's apartment...this is the most stupid thing I did. The guy opened my pockets and took one of my 100R note while I was under the shower.

Be wise, and don't let your cock or ass, take control over brain.

[Tomcal]

3 hours ago, likeohmygod said:

 

1. Do not shower in a GP's apartment...this is the most stupid thing I did.

You did a lot of smart things but i tell everyone “Never Ever leave the guy to take a shower!!” Either have him shower with you or take your pants with you into the bathroom or better idea Wait until you get back to your place to shower!  It is amazing how few seconds it takes them to get your wallet out of your pants get the cash out and get the wallet back in your pants! 

[Lucky]

Good advice, guys. Thanks!

[mvan1]

7 hours ago, likeohmygod said:

 

So in the end he took out his credit card terminal and I paid him the difference (plus 50 reais to cover the "transaction fees").

 

Who decided that the fifty reais "transaction fees" was to cover a one hundred reais charge? 

A 50% transaction fee is coo coo.  

Does your bank allow you to dispute a charge?

If so, you already paid him in cash that he stole from you.  

Charging you a 50% transaction fee is reason enough to dispute the charge.

A charge back would serve him right!

Right now he is thinking he won a con job on you.

 

[likeohmygod]

Well the transaction fee was something the guy wanted me to believe at. He just wrote wrote the difference in the terminal, adding 50 reais.

He just wanted to get more money from me, and I wasn't in the condition to fight with him. I didn't wanna risk to get stabbed for 150 reais.

Of course there will be no chargeback...i have authorized the transaction by PIN, so no way.

I don't care....It will just remind me that shit can happen, and that if i had followed the rules above, nothing would have happened to me....

As I said I am not a newbie...but "errare humanum est".

[ferrar]

The real lesson here is that you used your "first brain" to counter the recognized errors of your "second brain."   Not confronting the guy in his own apartment was a wise move!   You lived, and you learned.   

[SolaceSoul]

It’s not even wise to use the shower in your own apartment or hotel with a garoto / escort / hustler / unknown date outside the shower — unless you already have every currency known to mankind and every sharp object, every other valuable imaginable already locked away in a safe.

[axiom2001]

We're using "BIG HEADS" vs "SMALL HEADS" here-- not brains per se!  Accept TomCal's advice, plus when you're having unknown garotos at your place-- have ALL valuables (cell phones, computers, watches, large sums of money, expensive colonge [sp], etc. out of sight and not easily obtainable by a visitor.  This advice has been cited previously by frequent and experienced visitors to Brazil to help us all.

...sorry for your misfortune.  We all learn from our errors in life, be they small or large!

[lopesv2]

Sorry for the incident. 

 

It is always better to avoid going to the boy's place or bringing him to your home/hotel.

If you bring him to your home/hotel make sure the lobby will get his ID info. 

It is better to go to a sauna or a motel.

The guy is clearly a scammer. One could say you lost the bill but to charge 50 reais more for a 100 payment is absurd! It is quite normal that boys charge more for a credit card payment. The transaction fee can be as high as 5 to 10%, but 50 reais was way too much.

[Walker]

1. Pay him right after sex and before shower, or

2.  Have your belongs with you at all time including showering and shitting, 

3. Don't  fall asleep. 

I know it's easier to say now, but at least you did not lose more.

[msclelovr]

There’s lots of good advice here from various posters. 

But I want to applaud @likeohmygod for taking the time to detail his experience and to acknowledge openly how easily things can go wrong.

It’s good to remind us all that bad things can happen to good guys. My guess is that almost all of us (with a certain experience of hiring companions in various places over the years) will have had something similar occur.

[TotallyOz]

I had two guys over this week. For both of them, one I have known for 10 years and the other I just met, I always hid my wallet and have only cash available that I'll pay. This is a good choice or anyone you don't know or do know. But, I trust no one and I shower with the door open and all valuables put away.  When I stay in hotels, I leave things in the safe. When in Brazil, I also always had another Brazilian guy I trust with me in the hotel and thus, no chance for any issues (I'd have been ok if that boy took the money as it would be less than he got in the end of my stay anyway).  Sorry, you had this issue.

[likeohmygod]

Guys don't worry... I am not depressed about what happened. 

I just wanted to say that stupid errors can lead to huge losses. 

In my case the loss has been tiny luckily, maybe thanks to the fact that i can speak Portuguese and that i did not get mad, in a situation where the only thing i should have done to don't have problems was to just pay. 

[alwaysrio]

I still even with guys I have known for over a year and have come to my apartment several times a month. I still have them leave their ID with the doorman.

Also, I do not know if it helps. I learned that if you see guys outside the sauna do not give them the exact date you are departing. I always tell the guys my departure date is a few days past when I have already left. For me, it seems that they are much more likely to take something when they know you are leaving and may not see them again. Plus when the guys know the day I am leaving that is the day that everyone's grandma gets sick or mom fell on the train on the way home from work. Over 6 million people live in Rio and two guys the same day mothers' fell on the train and are in the hospital within two hours of the other. What a coincidence!

We have all been there. My first trip to Rio 10years ago the other site set me up with a guide who stole R$700 and then he complained I did not pay his full day guide fee to the administrator of the site.

[ferrar]

6 hours ago, likeohmygod said:

Guys don't worry... I am not depressed about what happened. 

I just wanted to say that stupid errors can lead to huge losses. 

In my case the loss has been tiny luckily, maybe thanks to the fact that i can speak Portuguese and that i did not get mad, in a situation where the only thing i should have done to don't have problems was to just pay. 

You made a mistake,  handled it well,  cut your potential losses, and had the balls to share it here before a critical audience so others would benefit.    Clearly, a net gain.

[floridarob]

6 hours ago, alwaysrio said:

mom fell on the train on the way home from work. Over 6 million people live in Rio and two guys the same day mothers' fell on the train and are in the hospital within two hours of the other. What a coincidence!

 

The mother's were fighting about who's son got to go with you before you left...and I thought that only happened to me