Do most non blacks avoid Black guys?

[tassojunior]

42 minutes ago, SolaceSoul said:

(1) Racism isn’t a zero-sum game, where only one marginalized group gets shorted while every other one wins a medal. It’s quite perplexing that this is how you view it works.

(2) Racism isn’t measured by who wants to fuck someone or give them a blowjob. Plenty of racists during the slavery and the Jim Crow periods in the American South sought sexual pleasure from black people. And to this day, some people, gay or straight, with overt or covert racist attitudes and beliefs will have sex with and even partner up with a person of another race. I know of several white gay guys who sleep with and date black, brown or Asian men and are racist fuckheads.

There are about as many Asians in the US as blacks. Many gays and escorts just refuse Asians. It's never talked about. 

And there is a huge proportion of indigenous people in Brazil and Columbia, but what sauna has them? 

[Tomcal]

 

3 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

There are about as many Asians in the US as blacks. Many gays and escorts just refuse Asians. It's never talked about. 

And there is a huge proportion of indigenous people in Brazil and Columbia, but what sauna hires them?  

Tasso the saunas don't hire the garotos, whoever shows up with a valid ID (and sometimes a not valid ID)at the sauna can work, since technically it is against the law to make money off Prostitution(except for the prostitute)they will let anyone who they have not had issues with work there!  I think very few if any Native indigenous men have ever applies at the saunas in Rio or Sao Paulo, but if they did they could work there!  now maybe in the sauna in Manaus there is...but I have to admit I would not be interested!

[Gotti]

Just one sentence to resume the situation for all races in all places: Give them business and the will come (no pun intended).

[SolaceSoul]

3 hours ago, tassojunior said:

There are about as many Asians in the US as blacks.

This Is incorrect. Asians, although the most rapidly growing population, is 5.8% of the U.S. population. Black or African-Americans make up 13.6% — more than twice the population of Asians. The total population of Asians, when including Pacific Islanders, multiracial Asians and multinational Asians, was estimated at slightly over 21 million in 2016. There are 46.3 million African-Americans in the USA. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna597711

 

[SolaceSoul]

10 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Many gays and escorts just refuse Asians. It's never talked about. 

I have seen quite a few conversations about Asians not being preferred or shunned by many gay white men. To be frank, the conversations I have viewed are usually targeted toward the disinterest of gay white men in Asians, and not toward the disinterest of any other non-Asian group in Asians — and it’s usually from a gay Asian who is interested in white guys, but not others. Frankly, I have a difficult time mustering up sympathy for someone who can’t get a date because he doesn’t find certain available races or men with certain ethnic features (that are incidentally, also his own) attractive. Now, if available Asians aren’t even dating other available Asians, and he still can’t find a date, then I would view THAT as a sociological epidemic worth examining.

Also, using the blanket term “Asian” to describe someone’s physical appearance can be very misleading. Pacific Islanders like Samoans and Polynesians (who often really turn me on), are quite often categorized as Asians, and IMHO look nothing like those of Chinese or Japanese origin. I am more attracted to bigger, more muscular, not boyish looking, darker-skinned men, so when I am seeking men, I tend to travel where my type is more likely to be (and available). But on the off chance that a mainland Asian fit that profile and was available to me, I would definitely get turned on.

As for Asian clients of escorts, I didn’t realize that they were being turned away by (non-Asian) escorts en masse. I know there are some escorts out there who are either flat-out racist or are dumb enough to select their clients by whom they find physically attractive — there are more than enough of them that have an unwritten “no blacks” policy as well — but I would think that the vast majority of them are about that almighty dollar.

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And there is a huge proportion of indigenous people in Brazil and Columbia, but what sauna has them? 

I’m not very familiar with the scene in Colombia. But Brazil’s predominantly indigenous population is inland and way north. The saunas (like Tom mentioned) in Manaus, which is in Amazonas, has the largest percentage of self-identifying indigenous (Amerindian/ Native American) people of any major city in Brazil (38.5%). 

I can personally vouch for my visits to Fortaleza, in the north state of Ceara, having quite a few indigenous and indigenous-appearing garotos at the sauna — a few with very Native American deep reddish skin tones, unlike what would normally be seen in the Southern metropolitan coastal areas of Brazil. I did not hire escorts from ads or online, but you might want to try looking there as well.

Belém is another suggestion, as it is a very large city (one million plus inhabitants) and is considered a gateway to the Amazon.

If you already have experience in any of those cities, then I apologize in advance for the presumption of your ignorance.

I will also add that there are plenty of escorts and GPs in the saunas along the big coastal cities that are indigenous-mixed (mestizo, pardo), and have the facial and other physical features to prove it.

[Latbear4blk]

There are not many pure Amerindians living in urban areas in the South American countries I know (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, South of Brazil). However you can see their heritage in the many mestizos you meet around. Most of the popular guys classified as "Latinos" are a mix of European (Spanish) blood and some local Amerindian nation. 

It is pretty clear in Argentina. You have beautiful, tall, dark skin guys in our Northeast, coming from different European genotypes mixed with Guaraní blood. If you go to the Northwest, the mix is mostly between Spanish, Middle Eastern, and Koyas. The guys are shorter but also hot.

Many of the boys I see in the threads about Mexico and Brazilian garotos de programa are, to me, obvious mestizos. 

There you have your Amerindian blood. Is everywhere in Latin America. 

[Badboy81]

20 hours ago, tassojunior said:

The real racism in the gay community is against indigenous and Asian peoples.

What city or country do you live in...?

I live in Atlanta and the Asians are doing fine when it comes to dating...Most prefer to date white guys which is fine by me

I have traveled to China, Japan, Korea and Thailand..several times and did not see Asians facing racism or discrimination...

The people being discriminated against the most in the world are PEOPLE OF COLOR...in the LGBTQ community it is transsexuals...

[Badboy81]

22 hours ago, MsAnn said:

No one is arguing your point, I was making another observation altogether, but your added sarcasm is now duly noted..Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

I made a point and at the time was not being sarcastic....What you said had nothing to do with anything BUT perception is reality

And I had an amazing weekend....I just got back to the states from Madrid

[Badboy81]

19 hours ago, SolaceSoul said:

(1) Racism isn’t a zero-sum game, where only one marginalized group gets shorted while every other one wins a medal. It’s quite perplexing that this is how you view it works.

(2) Racism isn’t measured by who wants to fuck someone or give tPREhem a blowjob. Plenty of racists during the slavery and the Jim Crow periods in the American South sought sexual pleasure from black people. And to this day, some people, gay or straight, with overt or covert racist attitudes and beliefs will have sex with and even partner up with a person of another race. I know of several white gay guys who sleep with and date black, brown or Asian men and are racist fuckheads.

Well Said.....

[Badboy81]

19 hours ago, tassojunior said:

There are about as many Asians in the US as blacks. Many gays and escorts just refuse Asians. It's never talked about. 

And there is a huge proportion of indigenous people in Brazil and Columbia, but what sauna has them? 

Where are you getting this information from....can you please provide some receipts....

Why would a hustler trying to make money refuse somebody based on them being Asian but not because they are fat or old or gross or ugly or smelly or WHATEVER???

**When you say indigenous I take it you are talking about the Native Indians that are still around...the ones that didn't die from the diseases the colonizers spread OR from slavery or rape and murder?  

You also may want to check the actual stats on the number of Native Americans actually in Brazil....

Maybe, just maybe they don't want to work in the saunas....not everyone wants to be a sex worker...Its not that glamorous and some people figure out other ways to make ends meet...

[tassojunior]

In California with its large Asian population there are several escorts with a "no Asians" policy.Just today there was discussion on the other site of one who refuses Asians. (Steve Wentworth,??). Some escorts I know tell me they try to filter out Asians. I assume they mean east Asians.I know of no escort who filters out blacks.

OTOH, pure indigenous guys almost never make it escorting. These little mostly central American guys really need the work. But their short stature and often meager endowment doesnt catch the clients. I personally like them because of their velvety smooth hairless skin and somewhat toned natural physique. I used to meet many years ago in Acupulco. Not mixed, but pure indigenous. But as escorts its hard for them.

Also in Columbia the Inca majority of the population (Bogota) has a rap of being small and ugly. I didnt see a single pure indigenous masseur in any of the saunas in Bogota.

I realize the mixed race of most latinos, including Brazil and Argentina. But Im talking about pure indigenous guys. I've seen mass demonstrations in Buenos Aires of indigenous people claiming 2nd class citizenship. I would suspect Brazil is the same. And I would be surprised if it didnt carry over sexually.

[JAYBLK]

As another African American who has traveled widely in Latin America and Europe, with a little Asia and Africa on the side, I cosign everything BadBoy81 has written in this thread. 

[TotallyOz]

Years back when I ran a NYC agency, there were many boys.  The top money boys were always the white ones. 2nd was Latin, 3rd was Asian and last was black. It was almost impossible for me to get a black guy a lot of work. There would be guys that came along an worked for a while and then moved on. They move on because they had little work.

For clients, I did have some guys (very few) who would not go with black customers. Often we don't know on the phone what race someone is and I don't know why they felt this way. They never refused a customer based on race (to my knowledge) but they didn't want to go with them.

Also for clients, the boys always preferred older guys to young guys.  Every year during Fashion Week we were inundated with calls.  But, the boys hated going with the young fashion models and often would take a week or two off to avoid them. Why? They were too much work.

[SolaceSoul]

4 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

Years back when I ran a NYC agency, there were many boys.  The top money boys were always the white ones. 2nd was Latin, 3rd was Asian and last was black. It was almost impossible for me to get a black guy a lot of work. There would be guys that came along an worked for a while and then moved on. They move on because they had little work.

For clients, I did have some guys (very few) who would not go with black customers. Often we don't know on the phone what race someone is and I don't know why they felt this way. They never refused a customer based on race (to my knowledge) but they didn't want to go with them.

Also for clients, the boys always preferred older guys to young guys.  Every year during Fashion Week we were inundated with calls.  But, the boys hated going with the young fashion models and often would take a week or two off to avoid them. Why? They were too much work.

I have an associate (won’t call him a friend) who runs a “talent” agency similar to your old one, Oz. He says something similar about the popularity of the guys in his roster based on race — although as he deals with less of the “pretty boy” type and more “rugged”, Asians are probably less requested on his roster. However, he also says that the clients that do like the non-white guys on his roster seen to be the most loyal, the most reliable and the easiest for him and his roster to work with.

Also, regarding clients’ ages, I have heard many working guys say exactly what Oz just said: that they prefer older clients because they’re easier to deal with and a lot less work than younger clients and/or clients who may consciously or subconsciously consider themselves “too sexy” to hire. I have also heard this same sentiment from guys who don’t consider selves working guys or escort but are just seeking mid- to long-term generous  “sugar daddies” or “arrangements” — older is better because it’s less hassle.

[TotallyOz]

1 hour ago, SolaceSoul said:

I have an associate (won’t call him a friend) who runs a “talent” agency similar to your old one, Oz. He says something similar about the popularity of the guys in his roster based on race — although as he deals with less of the “pretty boy” type and more “rugged”, Asians are probably less requested on his roster. However, he also says that the clients that do like the non-white guys on his roster seen to be the most loyal, the most reliable and the easiest for him and his roster to work with.

 

We had a few Asian boys and they didn't get a lot of one-hour calls. But, they got a ton of overnights when regular clients came to down. That kept them in the game.

 

[Badboy81]

14 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

Years back when I ran a NYC agency, there were many boys.  The top money boys were always the white ones. 2nd was Latin, 3rd was Asian and last was black. It was almost impossible for me to get a black guy a lot of work. There would be guys that came along an worked for a while and then moved on. They move on because they had little work.

For clients, I did have some guys (very few) who would not go with black customers. Often we don't know on the phone what race someone is and I don't know why they felt this way. They never refused a customer based on race (to my knowledge) but they didn't want to go with them.

Also for clients, the boys always preferred older guys to young guys.  Every year during Fashion Week we were inundated with calls.  But, the boys hated going with the young fashion models and often would take a week or two off to avoid them. Why? They were too much work.

Times have changed and tastes have changed as well....I would imagine that while white guys are still in demand for some clients who just prefer them, there are some hot black guys who are in demand when it comes to "talent"...

Interesting, when I travel, I tend to see that most of the escorts that are traveling are either European or Latino...

And it could also go back to what some may do versus others...depending on your particular taste or fetish or if you want to top or bottom or be seen out with the guy versus straight sex...

Thanks for sharing that info from years back

[Latbear4blk]

1 hour ago, Badboy81 said:

Times have changed and tastes have changed as well....I would imagine that while white guys are still in demand for some clients who just prefer them, there are some hot black guys who are in demand when it comes to "talent"...

Interesting, when I travel, I tend to see that most of the escorts that are traveling are either European or Latino...

And it could also go back to what some may do versus others...depending on your particular taste or fetish or if you want to top or bottom or be seen out with the guy versus straight sex...

Thanks for sharing that info from years back

I have not check the number of hits in he long term, but the day I published a review about my meeting with Griffin Donavan the number of hits in my blog double my previous record with a Black provider review. And that considering that follows me should know my preferences. That was back in November. My review of Victor Powers was not so shockingly more successful because it was more recent and my audience was more educated in my tastes.

Perhaps the situation is better now, but take a look at the market prices. A sexy bimbo new comer with inconsistent record as a companion like Alam Wernick is charging 600. A sexy God with a consistent record of outstanding meetings like Sean Xavier, 400.

[Walker]

On 7/13/2018 at 2:30 AM, SolaceSoul said:

 

Also, regarding clients’ ages, I have heard many working guys say exactly what Oz just said: that they prefer older clients because they’re easier to deal with and a lot less work than younger clients and/or clients who may consciously or subconsciously consider themselves “too sexy” to hire. 

I recall there was a thread here from a poster (a "hot" Cuban American) complaining about some older and uglier customers could negotiate lower rate than himself at 117 and could not understand why.  Well, here is your answer.

[SolaceSoul]

On 7/14/2018 at 5:36 PM, Walker said:

I recall there was a thread here from a poster (a "hot" Cuban American) complaining.. 

That “hot” was self-proclaimed, BTW.

[AdamSmith]

On 7/8/2018 at 4:04 PM, MsAnn said:

You failed to quote the last part of my sentence: " though many are of African descent "

My argument was not that they were not of African descent, but rather that many if not most African Americans in the US do not consider those of African descent south of the border to be Black, "though it is understood intellectually," that does not transcend into personal prejudice.

That has been my family and life's experiences. With due respect, I have traced my family history back two hundred years, I don't think I need Google. I stand by my comments...

I.e., those that @SolaceSoul mentions were not I believe shipped here through the (African-leader-directed! in some predble academic investigations) slave trade.

What you name is an entirely different horrible thing.

I think.

[SolaceSoul]

2 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

I.e., those that @SolaceSoul mentions were not I believe shipped here through the (African-leader-directed! in some predble academic investigations) slave trade.

What you name is an entirely different horrible thing.

I think.

What are you referring to? The overwhelming majority of the people of African descent in the Western Hemisphere (that includes North, Central, South America and the Caribbean islands)  are descendants of the African slaves.

As for your deflecting snidely comment about African leaders “directing” the sale of African slaves to European and American slave traders, you certainly could use a class, or just a day-long visit to the Smithsonian Museum of African-American History.

[AdamSmith]

1 hour ago, SolaceSoul said:

What are you referring to? The overwhelming majority of the people of African descent in the Western Hemisphere (that includes North, Central, South America and the Caribbean islands)  are descendants of the African slaves.

As for your deflecting snidely comment about African leaders “directing” the sale of African slaves to European and American slave traders, you certainly could use a class, or just a day-long visit to the Smithsonian Museum of African-American History.

One may refer you back to @MsAnn's astute note above.

[SolaceSoul]

8 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

One may refer you back to @MsAnn's astute note above.

You tagged me and wrote that I, SolaceSoul, was referring to people of African descent who were not brought “here” (to the Western Hemisphere) through the slave trade, and also snidely commented that some “predble” [sic] academic investigations uncovered that African leaders directed it.

I corrected you.