typical late afternoon at the apartment

[Suckrates]

Just now, SolaceSoul said:

What’s ironic is that most people who view me personally think that my life, experiences and travels are pretty exciting. 

But to some, I suppose that my life is just and ho-him mundane because I don’t fuck raw or snort drugs up my nose.

This is why you should not live your life to please or entertain others.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

I guess you just have to be there ?   

[Badboy81]

12 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

my agency in NYC many years back.

When was your agency in business?  What years?

[Badboy81]

13 hours ago, Tomcal said:

I have just read al the comments and i am smiling! First of, this is a escort review site! ESCORT REVIEW!  I have been telling various Americans for years when they say they are in love with a garoto that if they are really in love, then they should say to their Brazilian BF “My love i have lost alll my money in the stock market but at least we still have each other!” and watch how fast their ass is out the door! :-)

now keeping that in mind, i know for a fact that the sauna guys like anyone, have clients they like better then others even to the point that they(not all)would take less money and go with one person over another! There is a wealthy American that has been going to Brazil for as long as i have and due to his personality and general nature is not liked by the boys or his fellow Americans! He is pompous, Arrogant, etc., makes no attempt to know one word of Portuguese. One day about 3 years ago i ran into him and he says “you know all the guys are asking $200 - $300R now and have been for almost a year!  this means he has been paying that much since 2013! when i was sitting with several guys one night at the sauna and he walked in and the guys all universally groaned! i smiled and asked them why ? they said none of them liked him and they all told him their rates were 2 to 3 times what their normal rates were hoping that would discourage him and if he didn’t at least it would make it more bearable to have to be with him!  i have over the years learned at least in my case, if i make it as enjoyable as possible for the guys as i can that i want to see on a regular basis it becomes more fun for me too!  

while i agree with most comments above, i think only a fool would make statements regarding the sauna scene in Brazil without ever having been there as while some generalities can be assumed to be the same worldwide there are definite differences in culture, gay relationships in different non US/Western European countries!  as example,  in mexico where my last trip, of the 12 guys i was with, 9 we’re free!  In SoCal i am dating a 23 yr old off of grindr for over 1 year,  my point being it is becoming more difficult at least for me to say in fact “this is the case or you will find..,”  That is why i try to always say Imho or in my case or experience...

 

Your reality is yours and yours alone...Thanks for the insight

I can definitely imagine that guys will quote higher rates because they dont want to go with a guy...But again, when you are in the money game, you go for the most you can get, IF you are smart so those boys just got more money from a wealthy American..

I can also imagine having tons of free sex with Mexicans...(I still need to get to Merida to see what these hot Mexicans look like, since the ones I encounter in GA are NOT hitting on shit) but when you say FREE, does that mean some the 9 guys just wanted to have sex with you and got not a meal, not a snack, not a drink, not anything out of it?

No matter how well preserved you are and how young you look (by the Grace of God) we have established that you are a seasoned gent

*don't have the old cat daddies flocking to Mexico thinking they are about to come up on free sex because you are

As far as the 23 yr old, that goes back to what I said....defining dating is so different based on the person....Your dating may be my fucking regularly or somebody elses "we hang out on a schedule"

Does he have a dad complex?  I know some guys definitely get into that

Are you monogamous...he is he monogamous- hell we all know the answer to this

Are you paying tuition, housing, giving an allowance...

**I remember being a young guy only interested in older guys myself....I wasnt necessarily interested in the guys but what they symbolized-Stability, maturity, careers, money, etc...(I have never been a fool)  Once I established these things on my own, I no longer liked being "kept"

What ends up happening, is that based on what you contribute and the little details that are left out (minor details) some guys who arent as sharp as others misunderstand that there ARE details that are missing out...

[Badboy81]

13 hours ago, tassojunior said:

You really don't have to pay to be friends with most of these guys. It's not like prostitutes have scores of friends (tho they tend to have more gf's than expected). Especially if you help them with their business they appreciate it and you have a common interest. I'm surprised they have that much free time though. My own preference is hanging out with one not multiples, otherwise they are hanging out together at my place instead of with me. I try to schedule guys socially by ones but, it is hard to turn down groups if the choice may be being alone. 

I haven't been to Rio in a decade or Mexico for 5 years so my (extensive) experience is US/Europe. 

Well SAID...

They are hanging out at your place versus hanging out with YOU...

And I agree, I am NOT trying to befriend any of those guys...I want you to be available when Im in Rio and thats about it...

At this age, I don't want or need new friends, especially those who basically want me for my money and I just want for some sex....

Gotta learn how to set boundaries...

[Badboy81]

12 hours ago, MsAnn said:

Excellent post...

I remember fondly, 45 years ago, my first trip to Bangkok. While I hired regularly in LA, this was the first time hiring in a foreign country, and the first time I was traveling abroad. I was traveling with an older friend who had been dozens of times. I don't think I could have been more excited. As we came in on final approach, I half jokingly said to him, "Any last words of advice?" He looked at me dead serious, and said, "Yes, keep your wits about you, this ain't LA, and if you get in trouble here, you can't call your lawyer, nobody will care about you, so have fun, but be smart." I asked him if that was it, "No, one more thing, don't fall in love." I laughed, he wasn't. "I'm serious, this is all a game, that's it, it's all just a game. You'll spend two weeks with a boy, and have a fantastic time. He will say all the things you want to hear. Then you'll leave, and before you get to the airport, he'll be in someone else's lap, saying the same things to him, that he just said to you. As long as you understand that, you'll have a ball.

Over the years, I was always kind, respectful, and generous. On more than one occasion, I would have a boy leave a client when he heard that I was in town to come and stay with me. I have not been to Brazil, but have done similar in many parts of the world. I do read with great interest, the travels of Tomcal. His posts  make you feel as if you were sitting right next to him at some bar, talking to the boys. He is a great contributor here, but I think he gets it. You have to keep everything in perspective. I hire fairly regularly in Fort Lauderdale. I love the stripper boys, but I have no illusions, on any given Saturday night, if I wasn't paying, I doubt they would call. Forty five years later, dozens of country's, thousands of miles, many many paychecks gone, to this day I don't have one single regret for any of it. Except for a few bumps along the way, and a few wrong roads taken, It has been a life well lived.  In a recent move, I found a box buried back in the closet. It was a box of old pictures of some of my trips to Pattaya. I found myself smiling, and remembering as if it were yesterday...

All the best...

Thanks for posting this....

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, TotallyOz said:

After repeated calls to book guys, I finally told him the reason. He was floored. He said that it was not true and that this was their job.

I think they call that entitlement. Escorts can feel it a mile away. Most people refuse to acknowledge what they see in their mirror. Many see Cinderella when it's actually Cruella de Vil. Guys with awful personalities rarely see how awful they really are. Not much different than bad breath. Imagine telling everyone in your face the sad truth 24/7.

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, tassojunior said:

You really don't have to pay to be friends with most of these guys.

That's been my experience. I treat guests very well. I enjoy being quietly generous. A smart escort can feel comfortable confidence. Confidence can be difficult to let go of. It can be infectious. Sometimes the hard part is telling a guy the party is over.

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

as a hirer of just-released Rikers denizens

Damn you're brave. So glad I don't have a street fetish. I'd be dead for sure.

[RockHardNYC]

13 hours ago, SolaceSoul said:

there have been A NUMBER OF true tales of gay/bi/closeted American and European men being killed by working boys

The danger feeds the turn-on. Some people struggle with self control, even when they experience tragedy. They often go back looking for more. It's the nature of the addictive state.

[RockHardNYC]

12 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

You will observe that, at 58 years of age, I am still here.

Careful, dear. You don't want to jinx yourself and test fate.

[Steveocean456]

39 minutes ago, Badboy81 said:

can also imagine having tons of free sex with Mexicans...(I still need to get to Merida to see what these hot Mexicans look like, since the ones I encounter in GA are NOT hitting on shit) but when you say FREE, does that mean some the 9 guys just wanted to have sex with you and got not a meal, not a snack, not a drink, not anything out of it?

Hi Badboy81, I can only speak for myself. I’m tall, decent shape, masculine, German looking USA, ddf, 50. Never have I paid for sex in any way shape or form from my Grindr hook ups in CDMX. Twice I have paid ($40 total price) for massage in my hotel that turned into full sex. In my limited experience CDMX has a bunch of young, attractive (to me), inexperienced but curious guys who really seem attracted to getting fucked by tall, “American” men. I’m sure it helps that I have a nice hotel room to host but yes, so far, it has been “free” (no meals, no snack, no drink, no money).

thats MY experience 

[TotallyOz]

1 hour ago, Badboy81 said:

When was your agency in business?  What years?

Late 90's and early 2000's.

[SolaceSoul]

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

I think they call that entitlement. Escorts can feel it a mile away. Most people refuse to acknowledge what they see in their mirror. Many see Cinderella when it's actually Cruella de Vil. Guys with awful personalities rarely see how awful they really are. Not much different than bad breath. Imagine telling everyone in your face the sad truth 24/7.

This also applies to men (and women) who perceive themselves as being much more physically attractive than others actually do.

Entitlement issues, indeed.

[AdamSmith]

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

Careful, dear. You don't want to jinx yourself and test fate.

'He pursued Pleasure so avidly as to have had the misfortune of catching her.'

[Suckrates]

 

I see very little difference between "paying a boy", and "treating him well with gifts, meals, housing, perks" etc....?    In the end, he's with you for GAIN, so dont mislead yourself.... Cut him off, and he'll say ADIOS.....no matter how fierce and charismatic you THINK you are !   

[Latbear4blk]

"There is one thing sadder than the guys who think that our escorts are with us just because they love us: the guys who need to remind us that the boys are our for pay lovers when we are celebrating our whores and our relationships with them in an escorts forum."

Taken from the Lost Gospels found under the Holly Bed of Our Messiah

[Suckrates]

5 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said:

"There is one thing sadder than the guys who think that our escorts are with us just because they love us: the guys who need to remind us that the boys are our for pay lovers when we are celebrating our whores and our relationships with them in an escorts forum."

Taken from the Lost Gospels found under the Holly Bed of Our Messiah

 

That sentiment will only be felt by members of the "Tribe"....

[AdamSmith]

41 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

That sentiment will only be felt by members of the "Tribe"....

You calling us Canaanites?

[Tomcal]

5 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

but when you say FREE, does that mean some the 9 guys just wanted to have sex with you and got not a meal, not a snack, not a drink, not anything out of it?

Free, as a typical Grindr hookup, comes over to the house, a few minutes of small talk and then hop into bed and a hour or 2 later they head home. NO $$, no food,  one did ask if I could uber him home and when I checked it was 32 pesos($1.66US) so I agreed to that.

 

5 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

Does he have a dad complex?  I know some guys definitely get into that

Not that I have seen, most guys, Mexicans or Brazilians have a difficult time judging your age if you are over 35 it seems.  

5 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

Are you paying tuition, housing, giving an allowance..

Nope, Nada, Nothing regarding their expenses

5 hours ago, Badboy81 said:

As far as the 23 yr old, that goes back to what I said....defining dating is so different based on the person....Your dating may be my fucking regularly or somebody elses "we hang out on a schedule"

for me it is fucking when I am in town, and depending on the time of day, we may go to a bar afterwards but nothing more then 1 or 2 drinks.  He prefers dates but setting up specific time for a date is difficult before I arrive so usually it is set up the afternoon of the day.

Individual mileage will vary on this, but for me being a Top, is a definite plus as whether I am in Mexico, Brazil, Prague, L.A. there seems to be 9 bttms for every 1 top!

I will say that there is someone who does better then me on the free hookups and that is Florida Rob!  I have been in Rio different times when he got a guy for a week staying in the apt,  free and in the case of one, a top in demand escort who he was with on and off for about 9 years! but that is a long story...In Mexico, I don't think he ever pays, and I have met up with him many nights at bars and he is with the guys!  He unlike me likes to make a whole night of these encounters and does very well.

[SolaceSoul]

2 hours ago, Tomcal said:

Free, as a typical Grindr hookup, comes over to the house, a few minutes of small talk and then hop into bed and a hour or 2 later they head home. NO $$, no food,  one did ask if I could uber him home and when I checked it was 32 pesos($1.66US) so I agreed to that.

 

Not that I have seen, most guys, Mexicans or Brazilians have a difficult time judging your age if you are over 35 it seems.  

Nope, Nada, Nothing regarding their expenses

for me it is fucking when I am in town, and depending on the time of day, we may go to a bar afterwards but nothing more then 1 or 2 drinks.  He prefers dates but setting up specific time for a date is difficult before I arrive so usually it is set up the afternoon of the day.

Individual mileage will vary on this, but for me being a Top, is a definite plus as whether I am in Mexico, Brazil, Prague, L.A. there seems to be 9 bttms for every 1 top!

I will say that there is someone who does better then me on the free hookups and that is Florida Rob!  I have been in Rio different times when he got a guy for a week staying in the apt,  free and in the case of one, a top in demand escort who he was with on and off for about 9 years! but that is a long story...In Mexico, I don't think he ever pays, and I have met up with him many nights at bars and he is with the guys!  He unlike me likes to make a whole night of these encounters and does very well.

Not that anyone asked, but I agree that it depends on the person, the parties involved, the place, the time and the circumstances.

I have been hiring almost as long as I’ve been messing with guys (the former started in my very early 20s out of college, the latter started in my teens). A few years later, I was working and traveling internationally, and hiring as well as just casual dating / sexing non-hires. Often times, the lines were so blurred, that it was hard to distinguish between what was a date and what was a hire — whether in or out of the USA.

One of my all-time favorites was a “straight” guy I met in NYC through a connect who very briefly advertised as a masseur for women. First time, he came over, we both had a great time and connected, and I paid his regular asking massage price. Then, for about once a month for maybe 3 years, he would call me and just want to come over and chill overnight — which always meant sex and sleep. He never asked me for anything else, and I’d only hear from him when he wanted to do this. Our relationship was nothing more, nothing less. 

Like Tomcal says above about his friend Florida Rob, I also often prefer overnights when I travel. Whenever I travel to Rio or Santo Domingo in particular, I have a few that are waiting to do overnights with me. As much as they may seem to enjoy it as much as I do, I always provide them with a nice, parting presente / regalo in the AM, because (1) I can more than afford it, (2) they can certainly use it, and (3) I prefer doing it.

I don’t and never have viewed these exchanges as some sort of measure of someone's unattractiveness, or unloveableness, or inability to love or get a “real relationship” (whatever that is). I have had more than enough false starts at “real love” to know that NOT hurting and actually enjoying yourself feels SO much better, is much better for the soul, and is much more therapeutic. 

We all know the argument, “but for the money, would they still be there?” I can guarantee you that this question can also be used for subject matter other than money, such as physical appearance. For those who are considered to be nice looking, or for those who are very physically built — but for your looks or body, would some of the men or women that you have dated or met still be interested? If some of the escorts or sauna boys that we pursue had lost their looks or their nice builds — or for those into this, their ability to get or maintain an erection — would we also still be interested? Why would we expect others to behave so saintly and magnanimously when we ourselves have our own selfish, prurient interests in people? A bit hypocritical, is it not?

[RockHardNYC]

7 minutes ago, SolaceSoul said:

Why would we expect others to behave so saintly and magnanimously when we ourselves have our own selfish, prurient interests in people? A bit hypocritical, is it not?

Hypocritical, for sure. Sadly, the world (ie: the internet) is full of hypocrites. There's no escaping them. You just have to continually call them out when you've got the energy. It can be very tiring. When you get tired, take a break and treat yourself to something fun.

[AdamSmith]

Or my rough tough whip-smart little street trade.

[SolaceSoul]

2 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

Your brainless muscle hunks are nothing at all like my funny little twink bois at the bars.

you are welcome to yours.

Hey! Nothing wrong with brainless muscle hunks. Some of us love them big and stupid. If I wanted conversation, I have good Judy girlfriends for that.

(That being said, the two in the above photo do absolutely nothing for me at all — too blonde, too pale, and a little too skinny for my tastes. But to each his own. Viva la difference!)

[RockHardNYC]

1 hour ago, SolaceSoul said:

Viva la difference!

Indeed. Big and stupid doesn't work for me, unless there's an outstanding talent in the mix. No need to discuss Faust, but I like conversation with my sex.

1 hour ago, SolaceSoul said:

the two in the above photo do absolutely nothing for me at all — too blonde, too pale, and a little too skinny

And too plucked. Faux male. But all some people care about is COCK.

[Suckrates]

 

SOME people DO love Cock !..... YES we Do ....

Grandma will admit it Freely, instead of being some Old repressed Queen, who will just lay on their belly and scream "Fuck me with your BIG cock Guillermo"....and then hand over $300...  I enjoy living an "authentic" life. 

 

(Roxie is also showing off her New $3000 wig she got off EBAY)