A Newbie's 2nd Time in Brazil: Sao Paulo and Porto Alegre

[Blackoch]

17 hours ago, floridarob said:

Comments like that just make someone taking an incredible amount of time to give DETAILED reports the feeling of "why do I bother"......you're not him, is his thread, is well written and I don't think many (if any) find his writing style boring. Actually, it might give some people the balls to go rent a car and explore a little more.

And if you find it boring, just go to the next thread......

Well said!

This negativity will just make us lose great forum users.

 

i love the pictures & details. 

Perfect thread!

Thank you Numazu, you are the reason why Colombia is on my radar and you now make me want to go outside of Rio/Sampa.

i think I’ll try Salvador, Bahia first... (I do love my black people. lol)

[Blackoch]

On 6/14/2018 at 10:01 PM, Walker said:

My guess is, he was hinting you to bring him to the U.S.

I believe many of us on this forum had responded to this kind of proposals from GPs.  At least I had.

I assume the same thing.

i can feel how frustrating it is for some garotos who have more education than many clients but have to make ends meet in the saunas because they Of the tragic underachievement of the Brazilian political class.

[Riobard]

Erm, at the risk of creating more anomosity, the problem I have with the format is not so much with the OP's descriptives. But he has elected day-by-accounts installations that take time to assemble, partly due to detail inclusion. It worked better earlier in the first trip due to some suspense that emerged. The writing style is fun but I would be more riveted and absorb the tone better if it were one continuous post without an extensive array of questions and comments in between. 

If the OP specifically wants his intermissions filled with sponsor announcements, I am OK with that, but I would then hope to know when the oeuvre is complete and bingeable. 

This is not Dynasty circa 1981 at the local gay watering hole. Or Elena Ferrante's Neapolitan quadrilogy. 

One "ask" that I would put forward is that commentators spend more time describing erotic experiences in keeping with the Board's mandate. This in place of jumping all over somebody else's basically inocuous remark. 

The OP has also specifically asked for feedback about whether to continue, having previously received favourable responses earlier in the year. There is an emoji 'reaction' procedure in place. To my way of thinking, if you ask "please sir, would you like some more?", then you are potentially inviting critique in either direction. 

Numazu is a mature savvy adult who has game, and in every other respect does not seem to require an explicit, identifiable fan base, right? (Right?). In this case, no need to paternalize him by taking up a cause he himself has not necessarily initiated. He has the prerogative, like anyone else, to tell our dear tart (who happened this one time to go a little unsavoury yet not treacle ... and yes do tell the calorie counter results) or others to 'piss off'. 

And now we are really genuinely into topic-splitting territory.

[Tartegogo]

3 hours ago, Blackoch said:

Well said!

This negativity will just make us lose great forum users.

 

Where you guys see negativity I see constructive criticism.

Read my post again and you will see that I only mentioned one very small point on the whole thread, giving him specific and actionable advice on how to avoid boring people like me. If you guys can’t handle it, it seems @numazu1 can. As riobard said, he is not a child that needs an award or a cookie at every step to be reassured he is doing ok.

@numazu1 if I have disrupted your thread in a way that you find objectionable, then I would like to apologise.

As I said in that most hated post, I love the thread. 

[Riobard]

2 minutes ago, Tartegogo said:

advice on how to avoid boring people like me.

Hahahaha ... double entendre? Tart, you're anything but boring.

OK, done and dusted (a Tartegonian expression)

[Tartegogo]

1 minute ago, Riobard said:

anything but boring

Boring might be the future. https://www.boringcompany.com/

[paulsf]

You can give all the constructive criticism you want hoping he won’t bore you, But he is in no way going to change his style of writing.  He has written several stories of trips to SE Asia for another Site.   He has this past year started traveling to Central and South America and was asked if he would do some write ups of his experiences here. This is his style and it’s not going to change.  

[Riobard]

As in: garotos deeply bore the crap out of me.

[Riobard]

7 minutes ago, paulsf said:

This is his style and it’s not going to change.  

In fact, the OP declared it is the only way he knows how.

KKKKKK ... So where, for example, is my Sycophant Squad here on the board?

 

[Tartegogo]

49 minutes ago, paulsf said:

You can give all the constructive criticism you want hoping he won’t bore you, But he is in no way going to change his style of writing.  He has written several stories of trips to SE Asia for another Site.   He has this past year started traveling to Central and South America and was asked if he would do some write ups of his experiences here. This is his style and it’s not going to change.  

 I don’t read the other site, so I could not possibly know that he is unmovable, unswayable, unchangeable in that way.

Now I know. So, thanks.

By the way, you do realise, your description of his lack of ability to change based on feedback from others is not a compliment, right?

[Cany10011]

This travelogue has been one of my favorites and i look forward to reading future updates. Nothing but gratitutde from me. 

[sanddunes]

[sanddunes]

6 hours ago, Blackoch said:

i can feel how frustrating it is for some garotos who have more education than many clients

I doubt many of the garotos are rocket scientists, doctors, lawyers, or engineers.  Brazil actually does have a middle class.  Most garotos never went to college or have degrees in “nutrition” or “physical education”

Cuba is the only country I think where what you said above applies (although less now than during, say the 90s)

[CaliPexx]

6 minutes ago, sanddunes said:

I doubt many of the garotos are rocket scientists, doctors, lawyers, or engineers.  Brazil actually does have a middle class.  Most garotos never went to college or have degrees in “nutrition” or “physical education”

True. But once in a while you will meet one who defies our stereotypes. I can't forget a tall, handsome garoto de programa who shuttled back and forth between 117 in RJ and Lagoa in SP and who friends and I "met" in both cities on different trips. Reason: his parents lived in one city and he was attending a faculdade de direito (law school) in the other city. So he was able to earn some spending money wherever he happened to be!

[sanddunes]

3 minutes ago, CaliPexx said:

True. But once in a while you will meet one who defies our stereotypes. I can't forget a tall, handsome garoto de programa who shuttled back and forth between 117 in RJ and Lagoa in SP and who friends and I "met" in both cities on different trips. Reason: his parents lived in one city and he was attending a faculdade de direito (law school) in the other city. So he was able to earn some spending money wherever he happened to be!

Yeah I’m sure there are students who hook their way through school (I think tomcal once mentioned a dentist?).  But I assume once they finish they no longer need to do programas

[CaliPexx]

1 minute ago, sanddunes said:

Yeah I’m sure there are students who hook their way through school (I think tomcal once mentioned a dentist?).  But I assume once they finish they no longer need to do programas

Right. And this may well be the case with the law student. My travel buddies and I haven't encountered him in either 117 or Lagoa in 3 or more years.

[TotallyOz]

1 minute ago, sanddunes said:

Yeah I’m sure there are students who hook their way through school (I think tomcal once mentioned a dentist?).  But I assume once they finish they no longer need to do programas

Having just a bit of experience in the escort world in NYC, I can say that many will continue to escort when finished school.  Often it is a about more money and sometimes it is about sex.  I had one guy that worked at the NYC Campus Escorts and found him by hooking up with him at a bar.  He later found out what I did and wanted to work.  He was great. He had a full-time job in a publishing company and educated. But, he said the guys he picks up in bars were similar to clients and that he liked getting paid for doing the same thing. 

Also, I know many escorts who work much after school, and even grad school.  One guy I spent time with in SP Brazil was educated and came from a wealthy family.  I could tell many stories of the same in multiple countries.

[Tomcal]

i am still dating the dentist! he worked at pointe202, i also know another guy who is now a lawyer who worked at 117  and of course Junior the owner of Pointe who flys to NYC about 5 X a year as just a few who are all smarter then i am!

[sanddunes]

9 minutes ago, TotallyOz said:

One guy I spent time with in SP Brazil was educated and came from a wealthy family.  

This is quite fascinating.  It really challenges the stereotype that escorts do it because they are desperate/have no choice.  

For an escort, I would think working at a sauna (where you can screen clients to some extent) is far preferable to doing outcalls, and having no idea who is going to answer the door when you knock.

[TotallyOz]

1 minute ago, sanddunes said:

This is quite fascinating.  It really challenges the stereotype that escorts do it because they are desperate/have no choice.  

Personally, if I was ever going to escort I would rather do it at a sauna where I could screen clients to some extent. Knocking on a door not knowing who is going to answer seems scary.

I think there are many reasons to escort and I am sure most do it for money.  But, there are always those with different motives.

One of the most successful boys in NYC that ever worked for me graduated from MIT with dual degrees in Physics and Humanities, went to Columbia Law School and graduated at the top of his class, worked for one of the most successful law firms in the city and worked as an escort on the side.  He loved sex with everyone.  True, he was a rarity. But, he made more money escorting than he did in his other job and that was a big salary.

[sanddunes]

7 minutes ago, Tomcal said:

i am still dating the dentist! he worked at pointe202, i also know another guy who is now a lawyer who worked at 117  and of course Junior the owner of Pointe who flys to NYC about 5 X a year as just a few who are all smarter then i am!

But the dentist and lawyer no longer work at the saunas right?  I’m guessing they only escort now with the clients they had a connection with from the past

[Blackoch]

2 hours ago, Tartegogo said:

 I don’t read the other site, so I could not possibly know that he is unmovable, unswayable, unchangeable in that way.

Now I know. So, thanks.

By the way, you do realise, your description of his lack of ability to change based on feedback from others is not a compliment, right?

Since you care only about the garotos experience, why are you spending so much time acting like a literary critic.

Move on already!

he s one of the mostly highly regarded members here, his threads are all successful... so maybe he s being smart by ignoring your (or anybody else) inputs.

 

you re about to make this thread about his writing style. 

[Blackoch]

1 hour ago, sanddunes said:

I doubt many of the garotos are rocket scientists, doctors, lawyers, or engineers.  Brazil actually does have a middle class.  Most garotos never went to college or have degrees in “nutrition” or “physical education”

Cuba is the only country I think where what you said above applies (although less now than during, say the 90s)

I hear you. It’s not a majority but i know that escort/porn star Raphael Alencar was a dentist.

Scientists, lawyers, doctors are more of the professional upper class.

But other “middle class” jobs in Brazil pay a pittance: I.e cops, nurses, firefighters, teachers... 

 

[Tartegogo]

7 hours ago, Blackoch said:

Since you care only about the garotos experience, why are you spending so much time acting like a literary critic.

Move on already!

Since you don’t like like what I write, why don’t you put me in your “ignore” list, so you don’t get to read my posts?

Move on already!

7 hours ago, Blackoch said:

you re about to make this thread about his writing style. 

And you are about to make this thread about me, it is not about me, it is about Numazu, please stop. 

[SolaceSoul]

The “middle class” in Brazil and most of Latin, Central and South Smerica, is certainly not the same as the middle class of USA and Canada.

That being said,  over the years, in Brazil, I’ve met and become friendly with garotos who were alresdy or were studying to be police officers, civil engineers, lawyers, school teachers and physical therapists. Keep in mind that monthly salaries paid in reais are a fraction of what they would be for the same job in the USA — and a garoto can make much more than that at a sauna or through rent ads.