Guest PapaDavid Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 In another thread about Niddy's Nook advertising, I published critical comments about the restaurant, all of which were fact based on experience gained during three visits to Niddy's. For daring to criticise the cafe I have been vilified and castigated and accused of being a liar, of not having visited the place, of hating Chris and Niddy, of having a hidden agenda, of being a troll etc etc. It is very interesting that all of my detractors, with the exception of Stef, are anonymous people who do not have a profile/photo published in the Profiles section. What do these people have to hide? Do they not have the courage of their convictions? Why are they hiding behind anonimity? Are they fugitives from justice? Have their visas expired? Are they in the closet and afraid to show their faces? Anything is possible when they choose to remain incognito. Are some of them one person with multiple handles? Come on guys, if you wish to criticise someone at least have the courtesy to let us all know what you look like. If you want to remain anonymous, don't criticise someone else from behind that cloak of anonimity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Come on guys, if you wish to criticise someone at least have the courtesy to let us all know what you look like. If you want to remain anonymous, don't criticise someone else from behind that cloak of anonimity. Absolutely not. Showing a photo of one's self is not going to be the new prerequisite for posting, no matter what kind of post it is, no matter whether it is supportive or critical. Even if people do put a photo on a profile, who's to say that it is actually a photo of that person and not some random photo just picked up from the Internet somewhere? Sorry, PapaDavid, but I think trying to tell people not to criticize without also publishing a self-photo is an argument that holds about as much water as a seive. People are not going to do that and there is no reason why they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geezer Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Preferring not to post one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoeM Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I think I look rather cute! Although my picture is a couple or three years old, I still have the same little smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wowpow Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Most Message Board people choose not to fill in their profiles. Their reasons may be that * Thay can't be bothered * They prefer anonymity * They don't want to be approached by others directly Similarly some prefer not to show a Private Message address, an e-mail address or when they are online. That's the way it is on most boards. Having got to meet a few message board contributors over the years it is quite funny as many are completely unlike their board personality and others are exactly what you expect. The one facility which I really do like and this board would, in my opinion do well to get, is the ignore button. I have about half a dozen of what I call the loony fringe permanently on my Ignore on that 'other board'. I find it a great improvement to my enjoyment of the forum. I can understand why people like to have a face to relate to. I have faces in my Address book and when I get a message from a person then a little thumbnail pops up and that's nice and friendly. Consider how nice it is to see Stefs handsome face on his posts! Papa got a silly roasting and it does not make a jot of difference if the writers were known or anonymous. All this talk of hiding behind anonymity seems a tad foolish to me. If you had the name address and photo of some person in the Outer Hebrides what difference would it make? Why Gaybutton seems to think that you are demanding photos as a pre-requisite of posting, I don't know. I don't read that in your post just a request to members. Maybe I can join you and Geezer - at Papa David's restaurant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Why Gaybutton seems to think that you are demanding photos as a pre-requisite of posting, I don't know. I don't read that in your post just a request to members. Maybe I can join you and Geezer - at Papa David's restaurant? Papa David's? I thought they were going to Niddy's Nook . . . As far as demanding photos as a prerequisite for posting, isn't that precisely what he's doing? He certainly seems to want photos if a post is going to be critical. So, unless someone knows there will never be a circumstance under which he would want to post something critical, then he would have to post a photo to meet PapaDavid's criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PapaDavid Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 He certainly seems to want photos if a post is going to be critical. So, unless someone knows there will never be a circumstance under which he would want to post something critical, then he would have to post a photo to meet PapaDavid's criteria. People can post and be critical without having a profile or photo. However, if I am to be called a liar and all the other things mentioned in my first post on this thread it would be nice to see who these faceless cowards are who feel they can be abusive and censorious and still hide behind their anonimity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hajuthai Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I have a profile in the profile board, so if papa David cannot find it, I dont know why. I have no picture. Not necessary, I often are photoed on pattayagay weekly report, so you can see my picture there. I have nothing to hide and my visa is not expired, it has just been renoved for 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 People can post and be critical without having a profile or photo. However, if I am to be called a liar and all the other things mentioned in my first post on this thread it would be nice to see who these faceless cowards are who feel they can be abusive and censorious and still hide behind their anonimity. A classic ploy. When you can't defend an argument, just start a new one and focus everyone's attention away from the original issue. Sorry, PapaDavid, but it's not going to work. You keep using the same tactic. Everything is "either or." First, it's either show your photo or you don't have the courage of your convictions. Now it's either show your photo or you're a coward and hiding behind anonymity. I suppose there are no other interpretations except for those. I'll say it again. Showing a photo means nothing. It could be a photo of anyone and not necessarily the person himself. I don't doubt your word, but even your own profile photo might not actually be you. The only ones who know whether it is actually a photo of you are yourself and people who know you personally. We can believe it is your photo, but we don't know that it is. We have only your word for it. So, what good does it do? You can try to convince people to display their photos if you want. You can accuse Niddy's Nook of having inferior food, inferior service, unsanitary and lazy waiters, and a filthy lavatory too, but the fact remains that every poster who responded says the opposite is true. Not even one poster agreed with any of your accusations. You're fighting a losing battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PapaDavid Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 ..........Not even one poster agreed with any of your accusations. You're fighting a losing battle. I know I'm fighting a losing battle but only because all my detractors seem to be personal friends of the owner or part of the Sunni Plaza mafia (or is one of them even the owner in disguise?). I can only assume that these people are receiving quid pro quo for their efforts...perhaps a free disgusting Family Mart cheeseburger that Niddy's claim are so delicious.!!!!! You still haven't answered the point about me being called a liar etc and the finger pointers hiding behind their anonimity - or do you, as a moderator, condone such unwarranted anonymous abuse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaMale Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I agree with Gaybutton that posting a picture is not reliable in a forum and with Geezer that when posting there is a way to say things without being rude. But I do disagree that since other people might not have "backed up" PapaDavid when he posted critical remarks about a veneue, it means it may not be true. It is possible some poster may not to continue a debate which has gone on for way too long. We all have different views and expectations. Many of my friends have had high praise for a 90 baht spaggetti place on the road to Jontiem. I felt differently. My point is it is great to get to read differnet views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wowpow Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 "Come on guys, if you wish to criticise someone at least have the courtesy to let us all know what you look like. If you want to remain anonymous, don't criticise someone else from behind that cloak of anonimity" PapaDavid "As far as demanding photos as a prerequisite for posting, isn't that precisely what he's doing? He certainly seems to want photos if a post is going to be critical" Gaybutton It reads to me like a polite request to not be anonymous and to post a photo. In no way does it infer that the board should change it's policies - Gaybutton. I think you must have mis-read what he said, changed his meaning and then accused him of changing his meaning It's all getting surreal. There have certainly been several complaints about Niddy's Nook on Gay Thailand message boards about food and service and subsequently several who wrote in praise. The fact that PapaDavid reported his personal experience is valid and just because nobody else on this board has agreed does not make him wrong. I totally agree with Gaybutton that everyone can write anything they want in their Profile and post any picture that they care to so it is of absolutely no value. But surely his asking for that does not deserve such a fierce response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hajuthai Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Papa David means, that when you have been satisfied with the meal and the service at Niddy,s, then you have to be friend with owner, get free meal, cheseburger, or be member of the Sunee mafia. Niddy,s is in Day nigth. And what is the Sunee mafia? It is bad arguing, papa David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PapaDavid Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Niddy,s is in Day night. And what is the Sunee mafia? It is bad arguing, papa David Day/Night or Sunee Plaza - since Day/Night has shrunk in size in relation to gay venues it is all the same to me. Sunee Plaza mafia (have you not heard of this expression before ?) are the expats living in or frequenting the area and sometimes owning businesses there. They band together like the mafia when any of the businesses in the area is attacked or criticised. They choose to ignore critical comment however sincerely and constructively it is put. You really should learn to control your anger (emoticons) - it is bad for your blood pressure !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest namjai Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Hi PapaDavid...when you first came on this board just a few days (weeks)ago, you seemed like a nice guy and I hope that that is true. Now it seems as if you are trying to...I don't know what to call it. There are no rules on this or any other forum that I am aware of that requires pics andprofiles. My question to you is why did you make three visits to Niddys? If the first was bad, the second bad why did you go back for the third visit? It seems as if that is what you are doing here as well. Ok, you were knocked on your review by myself and others but you kept on ragging the place. Now you are trying to impose pics on profiles... Anyway, have a nice life. When I see something with your name attached, I will just ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I know I'm fighting a losing battle but only because all my detractors seem to be personal friends of the owner or part of the Sunni Plaza mafia (or is one of them even the owner in disguise?). I can only assume that these people are receiving quid pro quo for their efforts...perhaps a free disgusting Family Mart cheeseburger that Niddy's claim are so delicious.!!!!! You still haven't answered the point about me being called a liar etc and the finger pointers hiding behind their anonimity - or do you, as a moderator, condone such unwarranted anonymous abuse ? I give up. Again "either or"? If I thought your detractors were posting "unwarranted anonymous abuse," then I'd take steps to do something about it. I don't see any posts worthy of being associated with the words "unwarranted" and "abuse" other than yours. You're the one who started this whole thing, first with complaints because Niddy's Nook advertises here, which is well within what the owner of this board accepts, followed by some outrageous descriptions of Niddy's Nook (with which everyone who responded disagreed), followed by suggesting that people who don't post a photo are cowards, and now a Sunee Plaza (and it is correctly spelled Sunee) mafia and an implication that those who disagree with your assessment of Niddy's Nook are all wrong and must be personal friends of the owners. By the way, Niddy's Nook isn't even in Sunee Plaza. It's in Soi Day-Night, but never mind. You can believe me or not, but I've met Chris a grand total of three times. I've seen Niddy, but have never actually spoken with him. We are acquaintances, but hardly within each other's circle of friends. I'm sorry, my friend, but you are trying to create a negative impression of a perfectly good restaurant and steer business away from them through what is only innuendo and are backing up what you say with absolutely nothing. I am disputing you not because I feel any particular allegiance toward Niddy's Nook, but because I support gay and gay friendly venues within Thailand, and I always have. I would have had nothing to say if you had simply written that you tried the restaurant and did not like the food or service, but when you started writing statements such as, "toilet floors that are swimming in urine," that's where I draw the line if you can't back up what you say. You also said, "I can only assume that these people are receiving quid pro quo for their efforts." Well, I am supporting Niddy's Nook and I have neither been offered anything in return for my support nor do I expect or even want anything. You can continue absurd accusations if you wish, but this whole thing has become just ridiculous and you are going way out of line with it. If you wish to continue, then you'll have to do so without further replies from me. I have nothing more to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Rose By Any Other Name Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 In another thread about Niddy's Nook advertising, I published critical comments about the restaurant, all of which were fact based on experience gained during three visits to Niddy's. For daring to criticise the cafe I have been vilified and castigated and accused of being a liar, of not having visited the place, of hating Chris and Niddy, of having a hidden agenda, of being a troll etc etc. It is very interesting that all of my detractors, with the exception of Stef, are anonymous people who do not have a profile/photo published in the Profiles section. What do these people have to hide? Do they not have the courage of their convictions? Why are they hiding behind anonimity? Are they fugitives from justice? Have their visas expired? Are they in the closet and afraid to show their faces? Anything is possible when they choose to remain incognito. Are some of them one person with multiple handles? Come on guys, if you wish to criticise someone at least have the courtesy to let us all know what you look like. If you want to remain anonymous, don't criticise someone else from behind that cloak of anonimity. I suggest that if you feel this strongly about the place, that you go in and talk with Chris directly. No doubt he has read these threads and would be happy to table your complaints. Actually, he is only interested in making the restaurant better, and you believe in non-anonymity, so it seems like a match made in heaven. Stop posting crap here, you obviously care one way or another or you wouldn't keep going on as you do. So, go to the actual source and inform them directly. I am sure that would give much more of chance for them to improve to your "standards." This was a nice reply, my first and last NICE reply to you. Personally I think your reviews are a bunch of crap, filled with personal vendetta and totally based in lies. The Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freeyourmind Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 PappaD First of all I don’t have a problem with you wanting to see photos of some of these guys who post here. Personally I would most likely need an air sickness bag if I was able to see their photos. Who cares about seeing old men. Not I. Secondly, I thank you for your opinions about places you have visited. We all have different views and styles about what we like and dislike and how we chose to express those opinions. I am still trying to understand some of the negative responses you got. On the other boards I have read some of these poofs criticize a poster because he visited a business ONCE and posted about his experience. These Poofs would say things like....”geeez, why are you so critical of the place and have only tried it ONCE!” Then you get the same Poof personas who say WOW, why did you go back there three times if you didn’t like it the first time? You just can’t win with Wooly Poofs. They are (in my opinion) just old men with nothing to offer anyone except bitterness and scorn. The only reason they haven’t jumped off (or been pushed off) their balcony is because their ATM and credit cards still work. As far as businesses that continue to post their promotions and hyperbole (almost weekly) and those whose support those posts are either being compensated or are good friends with the owner(s). Nothing wrong with that per say. I guess it is just my personality but when the owners (or their friends) respond to negative posts with arrogance and spitefulness it really turns me off on a place, so much so that I will not even check it out until the Poofs stop with their bitterness toward posters who take the time to share an experience with us. When someone has a bad experience with a business and shares that with the board is a good thing. On the other hand when someone has a good experience and shares that on the board is also a good thing. Why are the not so nice comments regarded as bad? I think it is wonderful that we all have different tastes and expectations. There are only 2 businesses that tend to take advantage of the free access by promoting their shops / cafes or whatever on this and other boards and I always wonder why they don’t advertise like normal businesses. In my opinion if they are that hard up with finances not to pay a few thousand baht for normal media advertising, how much quality can they afford in the products they offer for sale? That is and has been my take on this situation for quite sometime. Yes, like you, I like to be told of a new gay business that opens in Thailand, but I am not stupid and don’t need to waste my time with spam every week and before you Poofs say “just don’t read the spam and false claims” it is not easy to do because sometimes there are interesting tidbits in that particular post that I don’t want to miss. I also support gay businesses when I can but I will be damned if I will spend my money for a product or service just because it is gay owned. I will give them the benefit of the doubt to a certain degree, but if their service or product doesn’t improve over a couple more visits, then I refuse to patronize the place, gay or non gay, it makes no difference to me. In summary: I am glad to see differences of opinion on venues even if they are not politically correct. Screw the P/C stuff. REMEMBER DEAR-HEART, THIS IS THAILAND !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Rose By Any Other Name Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 You just can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PapaDavid Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 You seem to use this term "poofs" an awful lot. Now, I am not British, but I believe it is similar to saying "fag" or "queer" in America. At any rate, you throw it around so much in the third person, that it makes me think you are straight. This not a problem at all, unless you are also homophobic. The Rose - "Poof" is a British expression. However, "Wooly poof" certainly is not - I believe it may be an Aussie expression - but cobbers please don't attack me if it isn't !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freeyourmind Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Mr. Poof errrrr Rose... sorry must have been a Freudian slip....... This is precisely why I don’t post on the other boards. People like you seem to focus on the use of a word, mannerisms or country of origin instead of the subject at hand. In the future Son, if you would like to split hairs over a word I decided to use in a post, please start a new thread. Don’t waste my time and others condoning the 3 or 4 times I used the word POOF and please please please don’t assume that I am from the USA. Again, it makes no difference what country I come from. I am amused at what you define Poof as. Haven’t you ever heard of POOF the magic dragon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Rose By Any Other Name Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Mr. Poof errrrr Rose... sorry must have been a Freudian slip....... This is precisely why I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest freeyourmind Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Mr. Poof I am so happy you are proud t be a Poof. Do you wear white shoes to Sunee also? Please Please Please Son, DON'T ever tell me where or when I can post. Ok? Thank you. Moderators note: I am trying to be careful not to use names or violate policy, but this Wolly Poof seems to have a tad bit of aggression that I could easily provoke. But I won't. It feels more and more like one of the village idiots from the other board has arrived.....just my humble opinion. Poof The Magic Dragon..... I think I have a new song for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A Rose By Any Other Name Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Mr. Poof I am so happy you are proud t be a Poof. Do you wear white shoes to Sunee also? Please Please Please Son, DON'T ever tell me where or when I can post. Ok? Thank you. Moderators note: I am trying to be careful not to use names or violate policy, but this Wolly Poof seems to have a tad bit of aggression that I could easily provoke. But I won't. It feels more and more like one of the village idiots from the other board has arrived.....just my humble opinion. Poof The Magic Dragon..... I think I have a new song for someone. Whose being aggressive, dear? The Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thaiquila Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 It feels more and more like one of the village idiots from the other board has arrived.....just my humble opinion. I think the same could be said of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
