Members Coogee Posted April 15, 2018 Members Posted April 15, 2018 Just saw his ad on Rentmen. He charges US$ 200 for an in-call, 400 for an out-call! Better to meet him in a sauna and pay 200 reais !! Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 15, 2018 Members Posted April 15, 2018 The pic here and the 1st face pic RM are good, but based on the entire portfolio he would not make it even into my $R150 category. There are guys at more conventional rates that I think are better looking. Just my opinion, no offense. This is one of the reasons I don't shop from images. If he can command those USD amounts locally it must be clients who cannot show their face in a gay establishment, or perhaps his more Caucasian admixture adds BOVESPA value. Quote
Members sanddunes Posted April 15, 2018 Author Members Posted April 15, 2018 His rentman answers seem consistent with how he behaves in real life...one of the locals at 202 told me he has trouble staying hard and isn’t a good lay. So I’m passing on him (and his attitude) Tomasian, Tartegogo, brockmiller and 1 other 4 Quote
Badboy81 Posted April 15, 2018 Posted April 15, 2018 15 hours ago, sanddunes said: His rentman answers seem consistent with how he behaves in real life...one of the locals at 202 told me he has trouble staying hard and isn’t a good lay. So I’m passing on him (and his attitude) 12 and 13 are fundamental truths across the board for most sex workers....Most are not interested in a lasting relationship except if money is involved and that makes sense since we are paying them for sex and not conversation or friendship... The guys who have lasting relationships with many of the guys or see the same guys regularly may be nice or good guys but for the guys who are getting paid, they are easy, consistent money... Having a decent or good personality is like icing on the cake... I love hearing guys on here "romanticize" the relationships they have with the guys from the saunas or guys who they are paying for sex.... Why romanticize a business transaction....it is what is is.... I'm all for having a "relationship" with the guys but 9.5 out of 10 if we weren't paying them they would not give us the time of day... Note-this is regardless of how you look, how great your sex is or how nice you treat these guys... Riobard and sanddunes 2 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted April 15, 2018 Author Members Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Badboy81 said: I'm all for having a "relationship" with the guys but 9.5 out of 10 if we weren't paying them they would not give us the time of day... Note-this is regardless of how you look, how great your sex is or how nice you treat these guys... This is especially true since the majority of these sauna guys are straight. All they care about is pussy and tits. If they are tolerating your dick it is just for the money... It’s always surprising when some of these HOT sauna guys have the most average looking girlfriends. One of my favorites at 117, after I got to know him better, showed me a sex tape with him and his wife. His wife was very average looking face and body. All this being said some still have better attitudes and are better actors/performers than others... One of the guys that I like (and who is a good enough actor to give a boyfriend experience) told me his client is taking him to Italy and Greece for a month in July...all expenses paid plus a daily overnight rate. For those that are good escorts/actors there is way more to be had than just 100 reals for a one time thing... Riobard and SolaceSoul 2 Quote
Members Tartegogo Posted April 15, 2018 Members Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Badboy81 said: 12 and 13 are fundamental truths across the board for most sex workers....Most are not interested in a lasting relationship except if money is involved and that makes sense since we are paying them for sex and not conversation or friendship... The guys who have lasting relationships with many of the guys or see the same guys regularly may be nice or good guys but for the guys who are getting paid, they are easy, consistent money... Having a decent or good personality is like icing on the cake... I love hearing guys on here "romanticize" the relationships they have with the guys from the saunas or guys who they are paying for sex.... Why romanticize a business transaction....it is what is is.... I'm all for having a "relationship" with the guys but 9.5 out of 10 if we weren't paying them they would not give us the time of day... Note-this is regardless of how you look, how great your sex is or how nice you treat these guys... It’s cool @Badboy81, no problem, you can have this one all to yourself. Badboy81 1 Quote
Members mark123 Posted April 15, 2018 Members Posted April 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Badboy81 said: I'm all for having a "relationship" with the guys but 9.5 out of 10 if we weren't paying them they would not give us the time of day... Note-this is regardless of how you look, how great your sex is or how nice you treat these guys... I don't think so @Badboy81 No offense, but personally I'm inclined to believe @Tomcal He has posted here that local dudes are content to just hang out with him for weekends at a time. Are you saying that they otherwise wouldn't enjoy his company?? Quote
Badboy81 Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, mark123 said: I don't think so @Badboy81 No offense, but personally I'm inclined to believe @Tomcal He has posted here that local dudes are content to just hang out with him for weekends at a time. Are you saying that they otherwise wouldn't enjoy his company?? I strongly doubt that any of the guys (the working boys/sauna guys/ex sauna guys )he sees reguarly would hang out with him if he wasnt paying...He has quoted several times what he pays for his overnight/weeky guests... If you are a working boy or like money and you know it will be good money and regularly (since he travels to Rio very often) you are definitely more inclined to develop a lasting "relationship" I consider myself attractive and Im in my 30s and dont try to fool myself into thinking that the boys I see when I am in Rio (the ones from the saunas...I have others that I did not meet in the saunas) will want to see me and hang out and have sex for free.... While we all want to think that something is that special about us, how you meet somebody tends to be how the relationship will go... Again, I dont know Tomcal personally or all of his relationships but I do read what he types and he is generous and pays well...And I hear is a good time I,e. Nice place to stay when you are with him, paid activities, sexy other guys, great money...etc... I have no idea if they would otherwise enjoy his company, ask him.... Quote
Badboy81 Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 4 hours ago, sanddunes said: This is especially true since the majority of these sauna guys are straight. All they care about is pussy and tits. If they are tolerating your dick it is just for the money... It’s always surprising when some of these HOT sauna guys have the most average looking girlfriends. One of my favorites at 117, after I got to know him better, showed me a sex tape with him and his wife. His wife was very average looking face and body. All this being said some still have better attitudes and are better actors/performers than others... One of the guys that I like (and who is a good enough actor to give a boyfriend experience) told me his client is taking him to Italy and Greece for a month in July...all expenses paid plus a daily overnight rate. For those that are good escorts/actors there is way more to be had than just 100 reals for a one time thing... I would not say the majority of the sauna guys are straight..Many are fully gay and more are bi...IE, you cant be straight if you have sex with men....regardless of if its for money Brazilians are not big on labels moreso masculinity and keeping personal business, your own, personal, ie, not telling that they may bottom or letting everybody know they work in the saunas Average looks are your opinions...I have seen some pics and vids of some amazing looking girlfriends and wives Attitude may be based on you and their interaction with you.. I personally dont care about your attitude if I am only interested in sex....do you take dick well, was everything clean, things like that... My outlook on attitude goes for Rio and everywhere else...But especially in Rio where you are paying for a service But I am able to separate the act of sex and the need to have a "connection" or actually like somebody Im having sex with Quote
Members sanddunes Posted April 16, 2018 Author Members Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Badboy81 said: Average looks are your opinions...I have seen some pics and vids of some amazing looking girlfriends and wives Average is average. Beauty really isn’t that subjective. There is a reason that Miss Universe is Miss Universe and why Victoria’s Secret Models are top models. On the other hand, who someone is personally attracted to/sexually interested in is subjective. It is possible for someone to find any person attractive for whatever reason. I never said *all* the guys have average girlfriends just some of the really hot ones do. And most likely that is because high-status, beautiful women want men with careers and money. I believe you can be straight and have sex with men only for money. It’s a complicated subject but basically comes down to if these guys have any desire to fuck a guy without getting paid... Quote
Badboy81 Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, sanddunes said: Average is average. Beauty really isn’t that subjective. There is a reason that Miss Universe is Miss Universe and why Victoria’s Secret Models are top models. On the other hand, who someone is personally attracted to/sexually interested in is subjective. It is possible for someone to find any person attractive for whatever reason. I never said *all* the guys have average girlfriends just some of the really hot ones do. And most likely that is because high-status women want men with careers and money. I believe you can be straight and have sex with men only for money. It’s a complicated subject but basically comes down to if these guys have any desire to fuck a guy without getting paid. Beauty is 100% subjective...My type may not be your type...While there are American standards of what is beautiful, that is not the standard around the world OR in different communities... Let me give you an example because you seem to work best with things broken down...Curves are considered beautiful within my culture, Im African American... I don't necessary find blond hair and blue eyes attractive or what is considered the "All American look"....Again subjective... Your thoughts on Miss Universe and VSM....Aside from some amazing genes and pound of make up...those women would be a very small percentage of what the majority of women look like or are built lik...those women, the vast majority are not even considered the standard of beauty because they are way outside of the spectrum for most women Your belief that you can be straight and have same sex sex is ignorant...Its okay to not like or believe in labels but Im basing my comment about them being gay or bisexual based on the definitely of same sex relations.... Im done with this subject Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 16, 2018 Members Posted April 16, 2018 It's not as if there is only one arbitrary orientation continuum. Bisexuality can be just as legitimately on a binary of sex without compensation versus commercially provided sex. The guys I pay for are bisexual on the basis of actualizing one side of the polarity of paid or not paid. The gender with whom they have nonpaid sex is not relevant to me. So on that count they are simply: sexual. How bisexuality is conceptualized by the masses, on gender lines, is outdated and not reflective of the realities of fluidity and vastness of context. That said, theory and research that attempts to nail down the orientation of performative labourers just spins its wheels. Who fucking cares?! AdamSmith 1 Quote
Badboy81 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Riobard said: It's not as if there is only one arbitrary orientation continuum. Bisexuality can be just as legitimately on a binary of sex without compensation versus commercially provided sex. The guys I pay for are bisexual on the basis of actualizing one side of the polarity of paid or not paid. The gender with whom they have nonpaid sex is not relevant to me. So on that count they are simply: sexual. How bisexuality is conceptualized by the masses, on gender lines, is outdated and not reflective of the realities of fluidity and vastness of context. That said, theory and research that attempts to nail down the orientation of performative labourers just spins its wheels. Who fucking cares?! So basically you could have skipped most of what you said and just said you don't care what they label themselves... I already said that many people just don't care about labels...especially when its just sex Great usage of HUGE SAT words...YOU IS SMART!!!! SolaceSoul 1 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted April 17, 2018 Author Members Posted April 17, 2018 I think I might have seen tomcal tonight at Point 202 coming out of a cabin with Ricardo and two other boys, and then later having an orgy in the steam room with three new boys. I would have said hi but he seemed to have his hands full floridarob 1 Quote
floridarob Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 2 hours ago, sanddunes said: I think I might have seen tomcal tonight at Point 202 coming out of a cabin with Ricardo and two other boys, and then later having an orgy in the steam room with three new boys. I would have said hi but he seemed to have his hands full He MUST be busy, no posts and he's only sent 1 message to me when I asked if he's alive, lol sanddunes 1 Quote
Tomcal Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 9 hours ago, sanddunes said: I think I might have seen tomcal tonight at Point 202 coming out of a cabin with Ricardo and two other boys, and then later having an orgy in the steam room with three new boys. I would have said hi but he seemed to have his hands full Nope wasn’t me! i haven’t been to Pointe except for a 15 minute visit Sunday night(it was raining)and customers and boys together totaled about 8 people! Ricardo has been to the apartment but haven’t seen him in the saunas! And i never go in the steam rooms! floridarob 1 Quote
Tomcal Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 correction!! i did go in with 3 guys at pointe! i forgot i thought that happened at MR ! but never went in the steam room! Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 But what looks like an orgy to sandunes may just seem like a simple handshake introduction to tomcal. sanddunes and Tomcal 2 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/15/2018 at 4:05 PM, sanddunes said: This is especially true since the majority of these sauna guys are straight. All they care about is pussy and tits. If they are tolerating your dick it is just for the money... It’s always surprising when some of these HOT sauna guys have the most average looking girlfriends. One of my favorites at 117, after I got to know him better, showed me a sex tape with him and his wife. His wife was very average looking face and body. All this being said some still have better attitudes and are better actors/performers than others... One of the guys that I like (and who is a good enough actor to give a boyfriend experience) told me his client is taking him to Italy and Greece for a month in July...all expenses paid plus a daily overnight rate. For those that are good escorts/actors there is way more to be had than just 100 reals for a one time thing... (1) There are very attractive men all over the world — not just in Brazilian saunas — whose girlfriends or wives superficially may not be considered the physical stunners that they are. Some of it could be cultural — what your standard of beauty as a white European or North American gay man could differ dramatically from that of a South American, African or Asian hetero-identifying male. It could also be that straight men are generally attracted to things in women that gay men are not — and that “Miss Universe” unattainable perfect Barbie look might not appeal to many straight-identifying men. ... and, as ANY woman will be more than happy to tell you, never underestimate the power of good pussy on a straight man with a working dick. (Note: in spite of what some gay men like to think, this power doesn’t really work for men’s asses.) (2) A lot of the better GPs and working guys that maintain a valid passport do get trips from more well-heeled clients. Just as you are feeling them out, over time they are doing the same with you — and trying to ascertain if your money goes long enough to invest time and energy past a programa (or two) and a Red Bull (side note: this is probably not going to be the same clients who are haggling over what amounts to $6 USD for a programa). Some aren’t willing to go anywhere, due to other commitments, but some are very open to the trips (and paydays that accompany them). Riobard 1 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted April 17, 2018 Author Members Posted April 17, 2018 Haha, I have yet to take multiple garotos to a cabin...handling one at a time can be complicated enough! Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Badboy81 said: So basically you could have skipped most of what you said and just said you don't care what they label themselves... I already said that many people just don't care about labels...especially when its just sex Great usage of HUGE SAT words...YOU IS SMART!!!! But why use only 20 words when 400 will do? Badboy81 1 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/15/2018 at 9:45 PM, sanddunes said: I believe you can be straight and have sex with men only for money. It’s a complicated subject but basically comes down to if these guys have any desire to fuck a guy without getting paid... There is a thing called “situational sexuality”. Really, look it up. In American culture, it’s most common in prisons, college campuses, naval ships or Army barracks. Male prostitutes and porn stars can also engage in it. The harsh irony is the escorts and GPs who actually DO self-identify as “gay” or “bi” are probably going to be a lot MORE physically selective and picky about who their clients are and/or what they do with them, than the ones who identify as straight. So, many of the posters here may want to just STFU about labels and count their blessings. Riobard 1 Quote
Members SolaceSoul Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/15/2018 at 7:08 PM, mark123 said: I don't think so @Badboy81 No offense, but personally I'm inclined to believe @Tomcal He has posted here that local dudes are content to just hang out with him for weekends at a time. Are you saying that they otherwise wouldn't enjoy his company?? Please, STOP with the delusion! OK, sure, Tom is probably a very good time. He seems like a real riot and more than just pleasant company. But it’s clear that he pays well and picks up the tab(s) for his dates. And he’s established a solid reputation over a period of time. If you really think that you can pull off what Tom does with just a winning personality and a smile from ear to ear — be my guest! Tomcal and Riobard 2 Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Badboy81 said: So basically you could have skipped most of what you said and just said you don't care what they label themselves... I already said that many people just don't care about labels...especially when its just sex Great usage of HUGE SAT words...YOU IS SMART!!!! I actually was not speaking about labelling. I was referring to rigidity of ideas about sex. Labels are important for organizing experience. My objection is related to short-sighted pronouncements about the internal motives and subjective pleasure behind where cock cellular matter is placed. SolaceSoul shows evidence of grasping and thinking about it at a higher level. For anyone interested, the book "Tourist Attractions" is a good option centered on Brasil. It is a lot more than 20 words and a little more than 400 words. SolaceSoul 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted April 17, 2018 Members Posted April 17, 2018 Like everyone else, any garoto may be fundamentally homosexual, but can only act gay not be gay. Quote
