Members MrOderfla Posted June 21, 2018 Members Posted June 21, 2018 What re the going rates at Paragonya? Quote
Members pylonguy71 Posted June 25, 2018 Members Posted June 25, 2018 I'm curious Riobard, how much guys like Pav and Dom charge for a sauna session? Surprised to hear that guys of their calibre are working the sauna but makes a Zurich visit all the more tempting. I've been wanting to top Pavol's incredibly fuckable ass for some time! Quote
Members mvan1 Posted June 25, 2018 Members Posted June 25, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 12:54 AM, Riobard said: snip Overall, I currently rate Paragonya 8.5 (up there with 117 and Thermas) compared to recent Adan visits a 3. Is this a typo? Paragonya rated "up there with 117 and Thermas - - - " Do you mean Clube 117 in Rio and sauna Thermas in Barcelona? I stopped going to Paragonya almost two years ago because of the quality of guys available there. The guys were either awful or there were very few available. There were many "lady boys" who were loud and boisterous and pushy. I see that recent posts by tassojunior confirm that he did not find Paragonya to his expectations either. He reported there were only a handful of guys on the two days he went there. Admittedly, the facility is quite attractive and clean and it is in a safe neighborhood. However, even though there were no Romanians reported, it was the Romanians that caused the nearby and long-term great Carousel bar to close which started the decline of Paragonya. When a Romanian is asked if he is Romanian, they usual deny it because they know the bad reputation associated with them Tomcal 1 Quote
Members msclelovr Posted June 25, 2018 Members Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, pylonguy71 said: I'm curious Riobard, how much guys like Pav and Dom charge for a sauna session? Surprised to hear that guys of their calibre are working the sauna but makes a Zurich visit all the more tempting. I've been wanting to top Pavol's incredibly fuckable ass for some time! Perhaps @pylonguy71 I've misunderstood what was posted earlier but I don't think @Riobard asserted that Pav and Dom were working at Paragonya Sauna. I feel that @tassojunior simply stated that they work in Zurich often and return to Prague. I assume that they work as escorts privately and would arrange to meet you at your hotel or apartment. Quote
Members tassojunior Posted June 25, 2018 Members Posted June 25, 2018 3 hours ago, msclelovr said: Perhaps @pylonguy71 I've misunderstood what was posted earlier but I don't think @Riobard asserted that Pav and Dom were working at Paragonya Sauna. I feel that @tassojunior simply stated that they work in Zurich often and return to Prague. I assume that they work as escorts privately and would arrange to meet you at your hotel or apartment. No, I think he said he had them at Paragonya. Again today (a Tues afternoon!), Paragonya did not disappoint. I wanted to bttm this time, as some minor GI problems had cleared and I was clean as a whistle. So I got Dominik (this time alone) to prime me by, after foreplay etc, banging me ferociously until he blew his load. Then I waited to cum riding a Curitiba lad's (Gabriel, lives in central Europe) huge tool. He first made me take it hard and deep, a little painfully, in missionary. I was in paradise watching him face to face and side view in mirror. The reflections are positioned fairly well. Pavol2017 is back in Zurich now but not sure where Dominik is. His Hunqz is gone and on Instagram he shows a wedding ring and date of June 4. He has a GF. I'd also be interested in what normal Paragonya rates are and what Dominik and Pavel's are. I had heard from another client they charged $150 but that was outcall. Patryk_Swey and Zdenek are headed to Zurich by car the 28th. They normally stay two or three weeks. Second set of Czechs I know who drive the 8 hours. Quote
Members Riobard Posted June 26, 2018 Members Posted June 26, 2018 Ratings are subjective. I am not attempting to contradict others' impressions or to strongly recommend a place. My 3 visits to Paragonya over 4 days (a day off touring Basel) were successful. It is quite possible it would not be replicated. Certainly, Monday and Tuesday experiences may have been serendipitous. The overall trip to northern Switzerland was magical, superb weather, hours of walking, both major cities possessing impressive art galleries with dozens of masterpieces. A repeat visit, having seen all major attractions, if Paragonya disappoints would be a letdown. The city location itself in Europe is a relatively expensive place to hang out if waiting for something to happen. Subsequent to my trip I investigated further the complexities of commercial sex licensing in Switzerland (the profession is legal but regulated), for both workers and establishments, as well as EU freedom of movement rights and responsibilities viz gainful employment. I realized that I jumped the gun in previous posts, and in future I would not specify identifiable providers. The trade is loosely unionized, populated by thousands of mostly women, with a semi-established program minimum rate of 100 francs (about on par with USD). Paragonya identifies as a regular bathhouse and distances itself from brothel designation by a sign on premises related to prostitution. The cabins are open to all types of occupants making hay with other occupants; the venue simply makes sure there is overall order. This partially explains occasional poor reviews by customers objecting to the trends of hookups there. The entance charge with unlimited cabin access is 37 francs. If I could change one thing re the premises, I would like a spray spritzer in the cabin to disinfect the vinyl mattress. There is minimal cleaning of cabins by staff and sheets are not provided. Just your two large bath towels. Many guys stay in their bare feet. Bring your own sandals. My playbook for handouts is to say what I am prepared to give. I do not request suggested donation amounts and negotiations do not figure prominently. I prefer to dictate what an experience is worth to me as I am the one helping, and it is ludicrous for a virtual stranger to arbitrarily second-guess the worth of fluid highly variable interactions on my behalf. We may both walk; I do not have a 100% success rate with offers. But it all worked out well at Paragonya. I will go as far as to say that my extensive experience in Brasil is somewhat revealed to these Zürich strangers. A hat trick there typically involved total donations about 50% more than Brasil based on paying full cabin rate in the latter for 3 programas. Alaskabear 1 Quote
Tomcal Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 i agree with Mvan when i visited The first time on a Friday afternoon there were 5 Thai ladyboys, a couple Romanians and 2 Brazilians and one guy from england who was the only semi attractive guy there. he told us the rate was $100. per 1/4 hour! one of the few times i left a sauna w/o doing anyone! mvan1 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted June 26, 2018 Members Posted June 26, 2018 It is true that there is not an enormous count of hot young muscular guys (my standards) looking for 'assistance'. However, I had the half dozen in that genre that I wanted and they would have been certain draft picks anywhere in my books. Two additional desirables got away due to lack of time as well as depletion of chamber bullets (my rusty pistol). Based on my knowledge of the "type" adored by many board members here (but not my preference), there were several who fit that particular mold. They were masculine in a 'young' way, toned, and none were boisterous and obnoxious. My sense is that you might find a 2-figure local currency donation for a non-rushed onsite arrangement would suffice. I think, too, that it is feasible to bring an app-sourced or ad-sourced date to this venue as long as they are not blacklisted. However, there exists one obscure review by a disgruntled young man who claimed he was there as a conventional customer but the entrance staff said he would have to pay an hourly rate. Maybe they smelled trouble and just wanted to get rid of him, or he is distorting events. My understanding is that all entrants pay the 37 francs, with a dollar discount for each year (range 30-36 francs) that a customer is less than age 26. Because it is a conventional sauna with ++++ pacing the halls and crannies, and has flimsily constructed cabins with airspace at ceiling level, it is possible to discreetly eavesdrop even if standing several feet away. I found this to be very erotic and did it a little for guys on whom I had imprinted and whose ball sacs I wished to hear smacking against othe admirers' chins and buttcheeks while I schemed or rested. This is all on the darkish second floor where it is fairly quiet. Naturally, this meant getting approached occasionally for unwanted interaction, but those fellows were simply doing the usual brief spiel (oxymoron?) and had no problem respecting my space when politely brushed off. Tartegogo 1 Quote
Members tassojunior Posted June 27, 2018 Members Posted June 27, 2018 The 1st floor lounge area at Patagonya. Nice towels and clean enough marble floor that everyone goes barefoot. Right on a main intersection in fashionable AltStadt. Quote
Members mvan1 Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 11:05 AM, Riobard said: snip I will go as far as to say that my extensive experience in Brasil is somewhat revealed to these Zürich strangers. A hat trick there typically involved total donations about 50% more than Brasil based on paying full cabin rate in the latter for 3 programas. Am I interpreting your statement correctly? You said that you tell ("somewhat revealed") the guys in the Paragonya sauna what you pay in Brazil and that they accept about 50% more than you pay in Brazil? That is hard to believe. The rates in Zurich are generally some of the highest in the world. If I interpreted your statement correctly, you are quite the salesman. As a comparative example, in Brazil, if you pay about R$150 to a garoto which is about forty dollars U.S. - are you saying that you get the guys in the sauna in Zurich to trick with you for about sixty dollars U.S. (50% more than $40.00 = $60.00). Your writing style is difficult to understand but I think I got your message correct. If you are getting guys in Paragonya in Zurich for sixty dollars U.S. then there is something wrong with the calculation. I have been to Zurich and to Paragonya many times (even thought I have not been there for about two years). A couple of years ago and way back five or ten years ago, the rates were not that low. Please let me know what your message means if it does not compute as described above. tassojunior and msclelovr 2 Quote
Members Riobard Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 My overall comparison, entrance and cabins and cash donations, is accurate, based on about 4-5 hours of 'sexy time' across 3 days. Flipping the totals, Brasil (predicated on 117, to maintain a constant by referencing my fave venue there) about 2/3 the total cost of Paragonya. I believe that one's personal narrative put forward to the guys anywhere, however truthful vs bullshit, may impact on costs. I do not pretend to possess the winning hand in terms of "savings", however, and there are other members here more competitive and skilled than me in that area. I have expanded elsewhere on my approach to donations. The only "problem" with my writing style is how I frame monetary info, that I do not construct precise rainman-grade spreadsheets itemizing specific amounts. That style would be confusing due to variations among 1:1 program duration, donation amounts, and I did try to factor in the day-by-day probability of BRZ cabin discounts. I also shy away from conventional 30-minute programas in sauna bordels when in Brasil. Variations among board members' reports of their personal programa costs should raise far more eyebrows than what I reported regarding this trip. I think that my online research and my brief experience provides some solid clues regarding how to budget this aspect of a Zürich trip. I only elaborated on cost because somebody asked. It is my least favourite topic. The 3 Western world locations, in order of general costs in descending order, are Zürich, Spain, and Brasil. All substantially less (25-40% typical escort costs) than North America above 25th parallel. I was somewhat surprised on two counts: Zürich as fair while not the most economical; my one and only but fantastic and low cost Grindr hire in Spain. I reiterate that my rating of Paragonya is gingered up due to consistency of hot tricks, and that may have represented an anomaly. Tartegogo and tassojunior 2 Quote
Members Tartegogo Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 I am a spreadsheet guy, so let’s do it. All prices are in Swiss francs/ US dollars, I am not using BRL in this post at all. Assuming you don’t drink or eat and assuming you want a full hour with Gozada everywhere. Paragonia: 5 hires at CHF 150= 750 free cabins = 0 3 entrances at CHF 37= 111 total= CHF 861 clube 117 5 hires at CHF 51= 255 5 cabins at CHF 20? = 100 3 entrances at CHF 15 = 45 total= CHF 400 Paragonya used to be 100 a session, but there are reports that it is now 150. If Riobard is still able to pay 100 at paragonya somehow, then it is CHF 611 (paragonya) versus CHF 400 (clube 117). mvan1, tassojunior and Riobard 2 1 Quote
Members tassojunior Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 I think hires can easily be under 100 at Paragonya. 150 is hotel outcalls. However, the huge cost of Paragonya is hotels in Zurich. It's hard to find even a 3* much under 300. Riobard 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 Kkkkk ... not identical assumptions and variables to mine, tart, but one can see the net crunching results are similar and plausible. My lovely room in a nearby 'old town' recently renovated hotel, Scheuble, was 150 francs. tassojunior 1 Quote
Members tassojunior Posted June 28, 2018 Members Posted June 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Riobard said: Kkkkk ... not identical assumptions and variables to mine, tart, but one can see the net crunching results are similar and plausible. My lovely room in a nearby 'old town' recently renovated hotel, Scheuble, was 150 francs. That is a bargain for the Scheuble. Off season rate. I used points for free nights at the Crowne Plaza which is usually 250 but its so far the Uber ride was 30 something each way. Quote
Guest tadclv Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 I have been to Paragony once back in 2002. I remember I paid 100 SFr for one hour session. Now it is still 100 Fr? Their website says it opens from 11am to 11pm. but I have an impression that it closes at 6pm. Quote
Members swedboy89 Posted September 16, 2018 Members Posted September 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, Riobard said: Who is this guy? Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted September 17, 2018 Members Posted September 17, 2018 20 hours ago, swedboy89 said: Are you serious ? He is Dominik, a gorgeous Czech boy.https://www.boytoy.com/forums/search/?&q=dominik&type=forums_topic&nodes=121&search_and_or=or&sortby=relevancy Quote
Members audihb Posted September 21, 2018 Members Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/16/2018 at 10:28 PM, swedboy89 said: This is Dominik - but be very careful. His profile is managed by an agent who is not really serious. Dominik doesnt speak english - but if you meet with him, you will feel like in heaven. He is hot as hell and XXL tool ;-) Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted September 22, 2018 Members Posted September 22, 2018 21 hours ago, audihb said: This is Dominik - but be very careful. His profile is managed by an agent who is not really serious. Dominik doesnt speak english - but if you meet with him, you will feel like in heaven. He is hot as hell and XXL tool ;-) Previous profile dominik2020 deleted this week. New profile Santiago_DomXL (created in 08/2018) and located in London for 2 days. Quote
Members Oftenincity Posted September 24, 2018 Members Posted September 24, 2018 Dominik is an amazing guy. I had 5 or 6 meetings with him since he came first time to Zurich about in April 2017. Last time I met him one week ago. Very friendly, a bit English (conversation possible), body as in the pics, you get what you see. He does a great job, although he is hetero in private life (perhaps a bit "bi"), always cuming, great kisses, can also behave very smooth; what doesn't correspond to his "bad boy attitude". Only two negative points: He doesn't like anal passif, so he stopped that service and his agency behaves sometimes a bit strange (changing profiles, without obvious reason). But he is really worth a visit. He will come back to Zurich in october. Quote
Members audihb Posted September 25, 2018 Members Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 7:09 PM, BoyToyForXL said: Previous profile dominik2020 deleted this week. New profile Santiago_DomXL (created in 08/2018) and located in London for 2 days. By the way and as we talk about. Just today this Dominik or Santiago change his picture to a total different person. Now you can see how serious this agent is... Check this: https://www.planetromeo.com/#/hunq/Santiago_DomXL Quote
Members Oftenincity Posted September 25, 2018 Members Posted September 25, 2018 Yes, that's true. The agency is really not too serious. But this has nothing ro do with the real nice personalities of Dominik, Pavol, David, Filip and Zdenek, who are all - almost at the beginning of their Escort-Business in Zurich about in 2ü16 - managed by the same agency. numerito 1 Quote
Members BoyToyForXL Posted September 26, 2018 Members Posted September 26, 2018 13 hours ago, audihb said: By the way and as we talk about. Just today this Dominik or Santiago change his picture to a total different person. Now you can see how serious this agent is... Check this: https://www.planetromeo.com/#/hunq/Santiago_DomXL What?https://classic.planetromeo.com/auswertung/setcard/?set=47621789 He was in Nordic countries a few months ago. This guy wrote he is from Brazil. Quote
