Members Popular Post sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Members Popular Post Posted March 8, 2018 I’ve been in Rio now for 2 weeks, and it is my second trip here. The saunas have been crowded with lots of model-looking guys. I have mostly gone to Club 117 and Point 202, as well as Rio G Spa. I’ve had about 5 programas so far, and I am getting kind of tired of the sauna guy antics. I’m versatile, and the only good experiences so far have been me with me being activo. For reference I am early 30’s and have no problem getting hook ups from grindr, I just go to the saunas for the model good -looking, drop dead gorgeous guys i couldnt get in US. However, my best experiences in Rio so far have been for free off grindr and in Rio G Spa, as well as the nude beach in Grumari. Garota 1 - said he liked to kiss, promised to suck, said he was only top. Agreed on 100 reals. He kissed for about 10 seconds then literally pushed my head to his nipple and told me to suck his nipple. Said he would only suck with condom. Was staring at the porn on the tv the whole time, and couldnt act more disinterested. After he starting topping for a minute he told me to cum. Practically yelling cum, cum etc. Basically trying to rush me. Then he came without asking and demanded 200 reals. After arguing with him in spanish (i only speak spanish and english), he agreed to 120 reals. Garota 2 - Agreed on 120 reals for everything including cum. Only kissed less than a minute, only wanted to fuck doggy style, and again staring at porn on tv the whole time. Regardless how hot he was, it wasnt enjoyable. Garota 3 - Cute pasivo guy in early 20’s. Very affectionate, good kisser, sucked great. Had a great time with him. Garota 4 - One of the sauna gods - probably the best looking guy in 117. Said he was activo. Agreed on 150 but after he demanded 200, claiming the session was longer than normal. Was a good top, but again refused to kiss, refused to touch my dick. Better than the other tops but still not a satisfactory hook up for me. Garota 5 - Versatile, very cute, kind of twinkish body. Good kisser, sucked good, overall great in every way. I am wondering how others handle when sauna guys refuse to do what they promised, or try to raise the price after the fact. It just gets old being shaken down constantly for more money. Maybe I just need more affection than other clients also. I’m not really into sex with someone who is acting disinterested or doesnt like guys at all. It is just a strange feeling for me. Rio G spa has been great on the weekends. My hook ups there have been so much better in every way, with guys who are actually into me. The nude beach at grumari had a lot of hot group action going on as well up in the rocks. I think in future trips to 117 I am going to have to be more selective and get a feel for the guys attitude before going with them. Does anyone else have any tips on how to deal with sauna guys? Badboy81, flipao, Latbear4blk and 3 others 5 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 Sorry to hear some of the guys were obnoxious. I think their sexual "performative labour" is a complex topic. Personally, if they are extremely hot I do not mind detachment because there are usually some GPs to be found who balance it out with more (presumably acted) affection. And I have the good fortune of being able to be aroused by warm interaction OR an edgy swaggering abusive attitude if the guy has the right build and looks. It is usually easy to predict, so however the mood strikes me. In many dozens of programas in the same locations as you reported I have never been aggressively hustled for more cash. If a tip is requested, as I think has occurred very occasionally, I shrug it off and say 'maybe next time'. Or offer a beverage on the credit card tab. Or tell them, if is the case, they will likely get repeat business and to be patient. Another strategy is to play dumb and act confused until they reach the point of diminished return regarding their hustle. At what stage are you getting these demands ... down in the lockers? After the deal is sealed (before the suite) I tell the date I am going to my locker to get my condom/lube kit and to ensure and prepare the cash already agreed on, to be handed over later. It is also not a bad idea to shake on it. They tend to be prideful even if lacking integrity somewhat. Also be aware that if you give in to demands, the news may go viral so that others are poised to test your limits. The staff do not like to be involved, but I have witnessed in the past Jacquie at the desk (she has recently left after many years there) give one of the pushier hotties a stern look while asking the client (as programa key handed over for the tryst) if the fee has been settled. flipao and TotallyOz 2 Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 On the Grumari topic, can you please describe your mode of transport, how you handled your belongings, phone etc, did you have a wingman ... ? Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 I agree that you can kind of get a sense of their attitude if you talk to them a little more beforehand. I think the guys I had problems with were so hot that I overlooked my intuitions about them. They were macho straight types. One asked for more cash within seconds after cumming. One I handed the cash to rolled up in the locker room - he then counted it out and immediately asked for more. For what it’s worth, that happened only at 117. Nobody at Point 202 asked for more after. Getting to Grumari was pretty easy. I took the metro to Jardin Oceanico. From there I took an uber to Praia Abrico for about 35 reals. The gay part of the beach is the north side. If you climb up the rocks, you go down a narrow path until you come out onto a clearing. There were probably 15 guys hard there and waiting to go with someone. Others were jacking off in groups. I didn’t really take any valuables to the beach except my phone. I keep my bag with me at all times. Overall, it felt a lot safer than Copacabana because it was mostly just locals there. There weren’t people going up and down selling stuff like the tourist beaches. Riobard and flipao 2 Quote
Tomcal Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Sandunes, thanks for the report! it really surprised me when you said several wouldn’t kiss well or wouldn’t suck w/o a condom!! one thing i tell everyone is Brazilians are the best kissers in the world! one thing i mentioned previously is if i am going to go with a new sauna guy i always say “are you good at kissing?”! and invariably on the spot they will prove they are. they also shows they are not in the least embarrassed to make out with you in front of everyone! As far as not sucking W/O a condom on, i net the last time any garoto asked me to put a condom on to get sucked was at least 10 years ago and then it only happened 2 or 3 times! i think you just ran into some bad luck in your selections! Due to the economy and so many out of work or making less the guys seem more willing to do what ever it takes to get and hold on to customers...ie bottom when they normally are tops for example. i have never had a problem with them arguing about price, then again i realize i am known by a lot of the guys as well they know i am friends with the owners, but remember Sauna guys gossip more then old ladies, there is no doubt your guys said “hey that guy i went with i didn’t have to do much and i got him to pay me more then i agreed to initially!” JAYBLK, flipao and Tartegogo 3 Quote
Members Walker Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 I also have some experience similar to Mr. Sanddunes: 1. GP only does doggie styles (so he won't have to see your front and remind him of the fact that you are the wrong gender for him), 2. GP continuously watch straight porn TV to get himself aroused. I would say at least half of my encounters at 117 fit into this category. Riobard and flipao 2 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 Yeah, I think since I am a new face in the sauna, they are just pushing the limits to see what they can get away with. tomcal, are you mostly a top? I didn’t have any problems with the versatiles/pasivos with sucking or kissing. It was just the muscular tops/macho types. It was obvious when they said they wouldnt suck without a condom, it was just a way of getting out of their earlier promise to suck. In the future, with or without condoms needs to be clarified ahead of time if they say they will suck.. Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 I forgot to mention my first night in Club 117 the first garota I talked to asked me for 750 reals. I think I actually started laughing... Riobard, flipao and Tartegogo 1 2 Quote
Members Tartegogo Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 Agree with Tom, they are taking the piss, they must have spotted that you don’t get a clear agreement beforehand, and then you don’t dare to say no. You need to agree everything that is important to you before you get the keys to the cabin. And get them to kiss you before you agree anything, this way you know if they are confortable kissing or not. They really dont don’t mind kissing in public, so that should not be an issue. If their kissing is not passionate, don’t hire them and move on. Tomcal and flipao 2 Quote
Tomcal Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, sanddunes said: I forgot to mention my first night in Club 117 the first garota I talked to asked me for 750 reals. I think I actually started laughing... I have never heard of someone asking that and that would have put me into hysterics as well. the most I ever heard was one of the "muscle gods" from Sao Paulo came to Rio and asked $300.R and after no takers he quickly dropped to $200.r and eventually to 125. this was a few years ago. there was a guy I started seeing in 2005 and continued for the next 4 years! He was brought to 117 by his friend who I knew and his friend told me it was his first night and I was his first customer! Warning bells should have gone off...the 3 of us went to a room and he did nothing but lay there! but I thought he was incredibly sexy so after I asked him if he wanted to meet up the next night just the two of us and he said yes...and while it was better(although anything would heve been better then the first night) it still wasn't even a average encounter! but it was better then the first time and he was so sexy!!! lol So we did a third and a 4th night, and each time it was better then the previous time! He was worth the effort at the time...now that I am older I am not as patient! but the moral of the story is "sometime patience pays off!" SolaceSoul, Tartegogo and flipao 3 Quote
Tomcal Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Walker said: tomcal is a top. I am but as I get older I realize its a lot of work being a top and maybe its' more relaxing and less strenuous to be a bttm...but I have tried and it lasted maybe one minute and I did not like it!! it amazes me that guys can get hard and cum while getting fucked!! flipao and floridarob 1 1 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 Has anyone been with Mateus at Pointe 202? He always walks around in a t-shirt and underwear with his cock out, stroking it. His dick is extremely thik...gorgeous face...he seems a little aloof though and claims to be a total top. I also met the famous Ricardo and he was very sweet. He told me he wants to come to the US but his visa got denied twice. I remember seeing something about him on these forums, and how he proposes marriage to everybody. Also, has anyone been with Tyson? He is also gorgeous and looks like a model. One of the local regulars at 202 who befriended me told me he charges 200 because he is in such demand. Tyson speaks English with an Australian accent, because apparently he lived for several years in Australia. I will try to get his instagram so I can post a pic flipao, torogen and Riobard 3 Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Walker said: I also have some experience similar to Mr. Sanddunes: 1. GP only does doggie styles (so he won't have to see your front and remind him of the fact that you are the wrong gender for him), 2. GP continuously watch straight porn TV to get himself aroused. I would say at least half of my encounters at 117 fit into this category. My experiences are also closer to Walker and Sanddunes. But we have apples, oranges, and various varietals of each. I do not pick a guy based on kissing openness, though ... when a macho top does kiss it is a treat, though infrequent. I usually wear a condom for receptive oral because I do not find it less pleasurable and I find I am more likely to get blown and for longer duration after putting it on, a kind of nonverbal signal for elevating the action. (My stated position to them upfront is versatile bttm, open to topping). Putting the condom on sometimes prompts the macho top to question our agreement about who bangs who. I will then say I love to get blown but it is optional and a good way to pass the time ... I usually book 60-75 minutes. The expectation has been downgraded to getting their sensual pouty mouth working over my dick, not topping them. Sometimes it works. It is exciting to play this game a little as I can roll with the outcome. Sometimes when wearing a condom I can negotiate some hot action (erm, hot for me) sliding it between their muscled bubble-ass cheeks without penetration. My nipples are like 2 extra penises, extremely sensitive. The one consistent thing is that every single GP has been able to work me up into a frenzy by taking command of them. It is an easy task for them and I am very fortunate that way. Most who will not deep kiss will still work nips over with mouth and tongue. If he watches the screen to maintain erection for suck'n'fuck, no problem. If he views the shitty porn to maintain erection for optics I tell him to stop the focus on his dick until it needs to be functionally tumescent. Haha ... sounds like a lot of contingencies and adaptation but I have made it work for me. Describing our particular nuances can be a challenge. flipao 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, sanddunes said: Has anyone been with Mateus at Pointe 202? He always walks around in a t-shirt and underwear with his cock out, stroking it. His dick is extremely thik...gorgeous face...he seems a little aloof though and claims to be a total top. ---------- Have not been with him, though mesmerized by his neck up and general pelvic region display. Rugged bearded good looks, bordering on pretty, though. Hard to capture it in words. Very sexy. Hhewge! He has not attempted to bust a move with me, though I am not shy and i just never got around to him. Curious about the T-shirt. Wondered if he is self-conscious about revealing shoulders-torso ... worried about definition? scars? Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 I’m also curious why he wears the shirt...I have seen him without it, and while he is not the most muscular his body is still toned and nice. Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, Tomcal said: I am but as I get older I realize its a lot of work being a top and maybe its' more relaxing and less strenuous to be a bttm...but I have tried and it lasted maybe one minute and I did not like it!! it amazes me that guys can get hard and cum while getting fucked!! At about my visit's tenth week recently my finicky sensitive tight bttm finally got progressively accustomed to more than a few minutes duration, and I even bust my nut a few times, which I think is key to wanting and embracing it more. Mind you, just managing to sit on Cleito's was a clear breakthrough. Tomcal 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 "Garota" means "girl". You are trying to say "garoto". I am not a spelling nazi, in this case it is not misspelling but a misconception. Tartegogo and SolaceSoul 2 Quote
Members newtonola Posted March 8, 2018 Members Posted March 8, 2018 You mentioned Rio G spa. Did you happen to get a massage or take note of any of the masseurs there? They had the hottest massseurs last time I was there, and I’ve been looking forward to hitting it up again when I head back to Rio next month. Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 On the weekends they seem to have more masseuses working at Rio G. I saw one muscular masseuse working and the other masseuse was a handsome older guy, also muscular. I didnt get a massage there, but I assume they have happy endings? flipao 1 Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 8, 2018 Author Members Posted March 8, 2018 Does Junior at Point 202 do programas anymore or is he strictly a businessman now? I find him sexy...it is slightly amusing that he has pictures of himself shirtless all over the walls. Also, FYI, Point 202 is having a promotion where entrance on Thursdays is 30 reals. Brazilian drag is quite interesting, there is one drag queen who is extremely unattractive/obnoxious. I am guessing she must be funny in Portuguse? She does a thing where she pretends to smell the strippers dicks and then makes comments on them. All the locals laugh at her jokes. Does the guy in the bottom center picture still work at Point? He is beautiful, but I havn’t seen him flipao 1 Quote
Tomcal Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 While I have no direct knowledge I have been told by good sources that Junior does programmas when he goes to NYC, which he goes to about 6 times a year! the first 5 or 6 years I went to Rio, certain nights junior would be in a towel waiting for a special client I believe from Europe and would do a program with him at Pointe! flipao 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted March 9, 2018 Members Posted March 9, 2018 Pedro Melchiades, on the go-go circuit. Not very approachable compared to some of the other dancers. Was he a 'garoto de programa' years back? Quote
Members sanddunes Posted March 9, 2018 Author Members Posted March 9, 2018 I just looked at his instagram and he looks much older now.. Quote
Members likeohmygod Posted March 9, 2018 Members Posted March 9, 2018 5 hours ago, sanddunes said: Has anyone been with Mateus at Pointe 202? He always walks around in a t-shirt and underwear with his cock out, stroking it. His dick is extremely thik...gorgeous face...he seems a little aloof though and claims to be a total top. I also met the famous Ricardo and he was very sweet. He told me he wants to come to the US but his visa got denied twice. I remember seeing something about him on these forums, and how he proposes marriage to everybody. Also, has anyone been with Tyson? He is also gorgeous and looks like a model. One of the local regulars at 202 who befriended me told me he charges 200 because he is in such demand. Tyson speaks English with an Australian accent, because apparently he lived for several years in Australia. I will try to get his instagram so I can post a pic I have been with Mateus. Very "opening" experience. Quote
