RIO, SP, 2017DEC

[young11]

RIO
I used 117 mostly and tried a few on grindr. The entrance for 117 is 57, condoms are 8, suites are 40 unless it is Tuesday. I like guys here in general because they have good attitudes Except a few. My only problem was Pablo, short muscular latin looking guy. I also was busy with the guy I met last year in Rio, so we met quite a few times at my hotel. He was really sweet but also horny all the time. Never had an erection problem, kisses like a BF. So I just couldn't stop hiring him
I met with a few guys at 117 but I am not a so-interesting reviewer here because I tend to go back to the same guy. On my first visit, I met with Pablo, who after not being able to get hard, asked me to pay him at least 100. I asked without sex, why would I pay at all, but I am being nice and pay 50. Come on, we are paying the suite fee etc and more importantly the time I could have spent with a hot and dependable guy. Pablo does not understand it and had quite a bit of attitude.
Then I met with a karata guy with glasses. He spoke a bit of English so we could communicate. Also he had a really nice attitude but was not so good in bed. His name is Igor.  He has an average size, thick dick. And Can kiss but was not so good in bed.

On my second visit, I saw the famous Fernando and we had a few eye contacts but he didn't wanna do any first move. Also, I remember he said he doesn't kiss last year, so I wasn't that eager either. But then there was a guy called Douglas. A better version of Fernando in my opinion. More muscled, a bit taller than him but still shorted than most guys there. He made the move, so I chatted with him on google translate. I asked if he is ok with 100, he said, 150 but I said no, he said 120. I said, 100 for sure and I am happy to tip 20. Agreed and went up. He has an awesome body and good SERVICE attitude (he seems to take his job seriously and customer oriented). His kiss was ok but still he kissed and did everything I asked. Not to the level of a BF experience. He made it hard immediately and performed well. Yet, I wouldn't say it was an awesome sex. I paid promised 120.

Next one was a hit! His name is Wesley visiting from Fortaleza. Tall and muscled body, mixed race, beautiful ass and skin. We got an eye-contact and he immediately said hi and started kissing me. I didn't like kiss much because he was just sucking my tongue, so I was not eager. Yet I wanted to try his body, so I asked if he is ok with 100 (from my awful experience with Pablo, I decided to ask every time) He said something higher but I just left but he grabbed me and said 100 is ok. We had to wait a bit for the suit but this guy is smart! He went up to another client and made a deal. We were walking around so he left a few times but one last one we went up and I think he joined a group. Anyway, he tried to play it cool but I am not stupid lol Eventually, we went up and oh my, it was such a good sex. He is so skilled yet his body, dick, skin and attitude. I liked him very much. But when we are at the locker, he got his payment from the client who went up before us. So I decided not to tip. He is highly recommended.
I forgot who the third one was that day but I left after three. I came back again in a few days because my regular boy went home for christmas. Unfortunately, during this visit, I hired Douglas again,  but I firmly said 100 and he just immediately agreed. Again, sex was not great but I still like his attitude and body. That body itself is worth 100 haha Then again Wesley. This time he was leaving for a party but he extended his stay just for me. We went up and it was better than the last time. Again he is really smart and said "This is my gift for you" Yep, the sex was that good and he knows it. So I gave him extra 50 and this is my gift for you. I guess this is what he wanted.
On grindr, there are a lot guys you can hire. Most are for 200 if you visit them, some are for 150. It doesn't seem like the price is reflective of the quality, at least on the pictures. I almost hired on guy in this picture but was too tired that day and went home. I could have explored more but I didn't have much time to play with a fire. Grindr is just too risky in terms of finding a good quality guy. I think sauna creates an environment where boys have to act nicely and think about the repeat business.
Finally, I was also busy with tinder. I got a crazy amount of matches from really hot guys. I met with two, one had a tiny dick and another was a really good sex. Hot and typical brazilian guy with a really nice attitude and body/face to match and we had an awesome sex. He wanted to meet again and I wanted to but with the escorts and NYE celebrations, I just couldn't find time to meet again. Too bad but still have his contacts.

SAO PAOLO
I went to Sao Paolo to check out the scene. I also have some friends there so wanted to go out with them. Went to Lagos on Wednesday, hoping that it would be a busy day of the week but NO. The qaulity of guys are much lower than 117. First one was Akilis or something. Reall nice body, good attitude. No negotiation with price, immediately accepted 100. Had a great attitude but the kissing is dog is licking my lips. Can't call it kissing. Sex was bad, actually worse than Douglas, so I wouldn't hire him again.
Next one is a guy with long hair, he sometimes wraps his hair on top and some tattoos. He has some teeth braces, so eady to identify, I forgot his name. He was not that hot but I guess when the rest is not so hot, he was better than the most. We chatted a bit and decided to go up but when I asked if 100 was he said 150. This really pissed me off because he doesn't have many customers and yet had some guts to say he wanted 150 for his look. Anyway, I said no and left. Some boys are so stupid but I guess that makes sense. I went to another one, similar looking a bit taller and better face. He had much nicer attidude and said immediately 100 was good. Maybe because they were chatting after I left the guy with braces. His name is rodrigo. While he said he likes kissing, he was avoiding kissing, that moment I kinda knew it was not gonna go well. But if the attitude is good, we could make it worth so I followed what he wanted me to do: lick his nipples and suck him dick. And he got hard but when I got the condoms and it was already slowing down. And once it is inside it was just soft. Then he pulled back and tried to make it hard by askin me to lick his nipples etc and gets kinda hard and gets softer again as soon as he puts it in. He just pulls back and tries to get and put the condom and slows, Then he removes the condom and makes it hard and then it gets soft he removes the condom. It was kinda annoying because I had ten condoms and he just wasted 8 of them just like that. So I stopped him and I put the last condom on mine and tried to top him. But he was not willing. He lets me try but he actively avoids it so I couldn't get it in. Then he says mine was too big. NO! He was just trying not to make it happen. I was really pissed but still he didn't have any negative attitude. SO I asked him to kiss me and he finally kissed with some passion and I jerked myself off. It was bad. Paid my 100 and he just left the sauna, probably realized he couldn't do it on that day. But I have watched him and he didn't have any customers before me....Anyway, I still struggling to find the best way to deal with escorts who cannot deliver. Any advice would be great.

After a few disappointments at Lagos, I tried internet. Actually quite a good selection of guys. The price ranges from 80 to 250. I was surprised to see 80 and he seemed legit but just not my type. I found a guy who is 20 or so and had an amazing ass. In person he was less attractive but was willing and had a good attitude. He was a bad top but I topped him. Nice tight one, so I was happy. Paid 150 plus hourly hotel of 30. Not a bad deal yet it could have been better. I tried to hire another one but the timing was not good with my friends etc. So that was it.

[Tartegogo]

Thanks for the reports @young11.  Appreciate that you took the time. 

The way to deal with bad performance in a sauna? I just forget about it and hire another one until I find a good one. It is so cheap anyway...

It seems you have a lot of good repeats, once you found a good guy, you stick with him, I totally approve. There is a lot of choice, but you need to find the diamonds among the emeralds  

What is a karata guy?

[tassojunior]

he said 120. I said no, 100 for sure and I am happy to tip 20.

 

[Lucky]

Thanks for the reports. With all of the criticism directed at other reports, I am glad that you resisted that threat to give us the good, bad, and the ugly!

[Walker]

Great report @young11.  When I meet a bad performer, I certainly always express my dissatisfaction to him (on Google translate if he doesn't speak English).  One such guy volunteered to lower his price by 20R.  But I agree with you, why even pay more than half of the original price when he cannot perform, so far I just haven't bothered to argue or make a big deal out of it.

[redxs]

what's the current prices to offer in saunas in rio? and do the prices change during the week / time of day?

how much to offer to take boy home overnight?

[axiom2001]

3 hours ago, redxs said:

what's the current prices to offer in saunas in rio? and do the prices change during the week / time of day?

how much to offer to take boy home overnight?

This question has been asked and debated so many times here.  I'd suggest that you check out this info. via the most recent posts which are in the archives. 

For the longest time, about a decade, the base fee was R$50; then it advanced to R$75/80.  Now, from my having read previous fee reports, the base fee is R$100 which is NOT much in dollars, and from what others have posted in the past, an overnight can range from R$150 to R$250.  

I'd advise that you know the exchange rate, R$ vs US dollars as well.  I write this because R$100 is not that much money; thus why bargain?

I also write that because when the fee was R$50 and upwards-- I did NOT spend time trying to get the guy to lower his price, for I knew the going rate based on guidance I'd gotten from guys at that time who wrote about their trips at www.daddysreviews.com where the sauna scene in Brasil was initially introduced and written about for many a year as well as til this day! 

[likeohmygod]

15 hours ago, redxs said:

what's the current prices to offer in saunas in rio? and do the prices change during the week / time of day?

how much to offer to take boy home overnight?

Going rate for locals is never above R$70. Gringo's going rate fluctuates between R$100 to R$200 depending on how much of the "small brain" is being used.

So the standard rules is:

Do not ask the price to the GP...instead make them an offer. Everybody will accept R$100 and promising them a R$20 tip if they're good, will secure the deal 99.997% of the times (keep in mind that what you pay is NOT proportional to what you get...if they accept a price they will still perform good if the GP is good, or bad if it is bad)...if they ask more say "no thanks". They will come back 20 seconds later telling you that it is fine.

Remember that these guys are there for work, they do have their real friends, they're probably engaged to their boyfriend or are probably married to a woman and already have 1 or 2 childs at their age. So DO NOT believe to the "you buy me a pair of Nike shoes, I am your boyfriend" kind of bullshit, since (except for some exceptional cases) it doesn't work and has never worked since the beginning of the saunas existance and it never will.

At the same time, for the same reasons...do not lowball.

[Lucky]

I don't understand why the thread is turning to a discussion of rates again. It is a travel report.Rate questions belong in another thread. In fact, there are many of them to choose from.

This forum has long been the best of Boytoy, but I sense a decline. Where is tomcal? We need him

[Tartegogo]

2 hours ago, Lucky said:

I don't understand why the thread is turning to a discussion of rates again. It is a travel report.Rate questions belong in another thread. In fact, there are many of them to choose from.

This forum has long been the best of Boytoy, but I sense a decline. Where is tomcal? We need him

It’s @redxs‘s question. He doesn’t seem to read the posts he is replying to. Or any long post. If he did read, he would have realised his first question is answered multiple times. 

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, Lucky said:

I don't understand why the thread is turning to a discussion of rates again. It is a travel report.Rate questions belong in another thread. In fact, there are many of them to choose from.

This forum has long been the best of Boytoy, but I sense a decline. Where is tomcal? We need him

He's in Brasil....in love I think ;-)

[likeohmygod]

1 hour ago, Tartegogo said:

It’s @redxs‘s question. He doesn’t seem to read the posts he is replying to. Or any long post. If he did read, he would have realised his first question is answered multiple times. 

Yep. 

I don't have problems to reply, but at least make a quick search. I guess that the same thing I wrote here in this topic, has been reported in the last 3 months by at least 5 different users, including tomcal and Tartegogo. 

[Gotti]

The locals I know are unaware of the R$70,00 charges. They usually pay 100 or even more depending on the boy. As the carnival approaches and the season gets to high gear, prices go up to everybody unless the customer happens to land some left-overs. 

[likeohmygod]

Well I do have different data which is probably influenced by the difference in the people we know. I shouldn't have used "never more than R$70" in the previous post, since it's kinda of extreme, but 70/80 it's pretty common for locals from what i've seen and been told.

Just pay attention to the "payments" made inside the locker room, (or just ask more locals or a GP who you know and "trust" well). Over R$100 for locals is a LOT. At least in RJ.

I'm not taking tips or drinks in account of course.

Anyway there's no problem and that's just some useless information I've provided...you will never be able to pay R$70 as a gringo (and you should not) who visits saunas 5/6 days every 3/4 months.

[redxs]

17 hours ago, Tartegogo said:

It’s @redxs‘s question. He doesn’t seem to read the posts he is replying to. Or any long post. If he did read, he would have realised his first question is answered multiple times. 

Sorry guys, I do read through the forums and post occasionally. I know this is a regular question but couldn't see a recent answer.

Found answers but were 12 months +.

[redxs]

Anyhow, looks like I'm in Rio 6 - 17 March. Probably visiting Belo Horizonte for a day or two at some point.

Does anyone have plans to visit during that time? Be nice to hook up for a beer or meal.

[Badboy81]

3 hours ago, redxs said:

Sorry guys, I do read through the forums and post occasionally. I know this is a regular question but couldn't see a recent answer.

Found answers but were 12 months +.

I just posted rates from my Rio trip within the last month....the prices haven't changed all that much in the last few years

There is the standard rate that will differ a little bit based on who you are and who the guys...

How much he is in demand, how attractive you are...or how attractive he thinks you are....How often you tend to do to the saunas and pay boys

 

[Gotti]

Badboy is right, I've seen him writing about the relativity of the rates many times before but some people want to believe there are set rules. The way you look might be more important than where you are from, if the boy is in high demand he will not lower the price for anybody since he is positive he will be fully booked (in Rio, Fernando is a good example for his regularity, but there are others on occasion). In Sao Paulo's Lagoa is a lot more complicated, over there foreigners and Brazilian from other states are the least desirable customers! The very rich people from the city (paulistas) are the gold standard, because the repeated business, the fringe benefits and the possibility of landing a house-boy position or daddy situation, of course I'm talking about the model types (not available in Rio). Trying to figure them out takes times (and visits) and is not attainable for 99% of users of this forum (myself included). 

[Walker]

12 hours ago, redxs said:

Found answers but were 12 months +.

Not true...Many discussions regarding the going rate in the recent months.

[Badboy81]

2 hours ago, Walker said:

Not true...Many discussions regarding the going rate in the recent months.

Some people just dont bother to read and just want to ask the same questions over and over and over again...

At this point, Im no longer answering the same shit I have answered frequently throughout my posts on my personal adventures....

[Gotti]

Some people feel more comfortable blaming a possible high fee on the fact they are foreigners and not the way they look. If you are grossly overnight or if you look like you don't take care of yourself, you gonna pay more, even if you are a Brazilian. Also if you look like a newbie you are likely taken advantage of, in Rio's case. In Sao Paulo is even worse, if you are a newbie looking for the pretty boy that caught your fancy, he won't even look at you, they only make eye contact with people they already know, for them aloofness is an art form that they practice like nobody I ever seen. An explanation about why there are models in Sao Paulo but not in Rio: SP is a model city, the Brazilian fashion industry is concentrated in Sao Paulo and also the advertising industry, about 90% of it, also happens in the city, and when they are between jobs or have some outstanding bills to pay, they do what (many) models do. That said, I use to be a big fan but was disappointed the last 2 times I was there, one was the last night before NYEve and another was like 8 months before, I don't go that often so I don't know if happened  to be off nights or the glory days are gone for good. Some people on this forum seems to go more regularly, so let's hear from them. 

[torogen]

Since this has turned into a discussion of fees, I'll just mention that I was usually quoted between 100 and 120 at Club 117 last year (April), and sometimes guys wanted more if I wanted them to cum. At Pointe 202, I visited on a dead night, but there was still a cute guy there. He hesitated, and then quoted me 70 (in a whisper), telling me the garotos were told by the management that they were not supposed to ask for less than 120.

[Walker]

1 hour ago, torogen said:

..... telling me the garotos were told by the management that they were not supposed to ask for less than 120.

Do you really believe everything garotos tell you?

[Tomcal]

for what it's worth,  Management of the saunas could care less what the garotos charge or what you pay them! By law they can not take any % of the fees charged,,  "prostitution is legal what is illegal is making money off prostitution unless you are the prostitute"  I know the owners of all three saunas in Rio for over 15 years and you would be surprised at how much money they make off admission, drinks, room rental, etc.  they do not and would not jeopardize their income by messing or advising the boys on income from clients.  this I know to be a fact!

[torogen]

9 hours ago, Walker said:

Do you really believe everything garotos tell you?

No, I was just reporting something said by a young guy, maybe 19 years old. I thought it was interesting that he opened with a quote of 70 and said he would take it raw. I didn't say I believed him.

FWIW, I also don't disbelieve him. He actually pointed to the person at the front (the doorman) when he relayed that info, not the owner. I do think it's possible that there's an unwritten code shared by the guys to keep the prices up, and the people who work there might be invested in that as well. Nobody wants to be the bottom of the barrel place where only the trashiest/most desperate guys go. There were only 5 guys working there that night, and two of them were the massage guys. One was the craziest garoto in town, with insanely overgrown pecs and (lopsided) shoulders and biceps, completely bizarre looking. I believe he injects veterinary steroids (and lol, I believe this because another garoto told me, so yes...I do believe at least some of the things they tell me ). It seems the fortunes of Point 202 have changed and they are now hot again on Wednesdays.