AdamSmith Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 On 1/2/2018 at 9:15 PM, Larstrup said: Good God, before you know it Paula Dean will be apologizing for butter. Again... 'I don't use too much butter, I use enough butter.' RA1 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, BiBottomBoy said: Last Tango In Paris... Julia playing Marlon's part no doubt. Quote
Guest Larstrup Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 12 hours ago, AdamSmith said: Again... 'I don't use too much butter, I use enough butter.' Blasphemy!! Comparing Our beloved Julia with that white capitalistic, racist southern trash! Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Larstrup said: Blasphemy!! Comparing Our beloved Julia with that white capitalistic, racist southern trash! No doubt! (Pictured is magesterial Lovecraft critic & biographer S.T. Joshi. Agreeing with you here. Self-critical by me [yeah, right ] cross-reference to the occasionally less-than-totally-reverent HPL memes I post here. Whom one has of course met & discoursed with at many of those HPL conferences in Providence, & who also shares a relationship with the revered H. Bloom. Joshi's much closer than mine of course, through Joshi's close involvement with Chelsea House (see below). Although I did one time at one of those Providence confabs try to give Joshi a primer in how to mentally sneak HPL -- whom Bloom did appreciate, he liking a great deal of 'second-rate' literature, but did not see how to rate HPL first-rate -- much closer into the core of the writers whom Bloom loved. When Joshi rejected my thoughts, I saw that I knew Bloom's mind better than Joshi, who had worked quite closely with Bloom for more than two years on the Chelsea House Library of Literary Criticism publishing project.) I think in this pic he is holding his award for his magnificent biography thereof. Quote
Guest Larstrup Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, AdamSmith said: No doubt! (Pictured is magesterial Lovecraft critic & biographer S.T. Joshi. Agreeing with you here. Self-critical by me [yeah, right ] cross-reference to the occasionally less-than-totally-reverent HPL memes I post here. Whom one has of course met & discoursed with at many of those HPL conferences in Providence, & who also shares a relationship with the revered H. Bloom. Joshi's much closer than mine of course, through Joshi's close involvement with Chelsea House (see below). Although I did one time at one of those Providence confabs try to give Joshi a primer in how to mentally sneak HPL -- whom Bloom did appreciate, he liking a great deal of 'second-rate' literature, but did not see how to rate HPL first-rate -- much closer into the core of the writers whom Bloom loved. When Joshi rejected my thoughts, I saw that I knew Bloom's mind better than Joshi, who had worked quite closely with Bloom for more than two years on the Chelsea House Library of Literary Criticism publishing project.) I think in this pic he is holding his award for his magnificent biography thereof. I always hate when you turn this type moment, into another's. But God know's , I do love you. Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, Larstrup said: I always hate when you turn this type moment, into another's. But God know's , I do love you. But isn't life all one thing? Quote
Guest Larstrup Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 Just now, AdamSmith said: But isn't life all one thing? sometimes, longer than I had hoped for. But I digress. Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Larstrup said: sometimes, longer than I had hoped for. But I digress. NO!!! As stated before, I INTEND TO LIVE FOREVER! Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, AdamSmith said: And to integrate everything. Ideas[edit] Northrop’s major contribution to philosophy is in the area of epistemology, specifically his theory of concepts. He divides all concepts into two kinds: intuition and postulation. For Northrop, the source of the meaning of the concept is the source of its difference. This can be seen from the definitions of these concepts. A concept by intuition is one which denotes, and the complete meaning of which is given by something that is immediately apprehended. Northrop gives blue in "the sense of the sensed color" as an example of a concept by intuition. (The Logic of Science and Humanities, p. 82.) The other kind is concepts by postulation. A concept by postulation is one the meaning of which in whole or in part is designated by the postulates of the deductivetheory in which it occurs. Blue in the sense of the frequency or wavelength in electromagnetic theory is a concept by postulation. (The Logic of the Sciences and the Humanities, p. 83.) According to Northrop, these two types of concepts exhaust the available concepts (i.e., providing terms with meanings) from which any scientific or philosophical theory can be constructed and therefore provides a means to do comparative philosophy, analyze and solve the problem of world peace, tame nations, provide a philosophical anthropology, explain why economists from Smith to Marx were incapable of providing a dynamics to supplement their statics, and to ground art and religion as well as legal and ethical theory. Northrop substantiates these claims in his The Logic of the Sciences and the Humanities. There remains one crucial notion: what is the relationship between postulation and intuition. For Northrop the relation is epistemic correlation. Northrop provides the following definition: An epistemic correlation is a relation joining an unobserved component of anything designated by a concept by postulation to its directly inspected component denoted by a concept by intuition. (The Logic of the Sciences and the Humanities, p. 119.) The sensed color blue is related to theoretical color blue by an epistemic correlation. Note what this relation is not. It is not the relation of causality or identity. Concept-by-postulation blue does not cause concept-by-intuition blue. As Northrop reports in Science and First Principles, (pp. 251–252) concept-by-intuition blue is a multivalued relation. One relatum of concept-by-intuition blue is the angstrom number currently associated with concept by postulation blue. To assume that only one of the relata of a relation could cause that relation is as silly as assuming that the female (or the male) member of a marriage causes the marriage. Nor is the proper relation between postulation and intuition "identity", as can easily been seen using "blue". Concept-by-postulation blue is not identical with concept-by-intuition blue, but is just one among many relata that go to form this complex secondary quality. Neither identity nor causality is the proper relation between sensed blue and theoretic blue. Note that the problem is: "what is the epistemic correlate of one's directly inspected visual image?" The problem is not what is really real. Unlike (certain interpretations of) Plato and Plotinus, there is in Northrop no propensity to degrade or downgrade the world-as-it-is-sensed in favor of the world-as-known by concepts-by-postulation. To experience the visual image of blue is as epistemically valuable and irreducible as knowing blue postulationally. The two sources of all our knowledge give information that is both complementary and supplementary. Without concepts-by-intuition we could never know the world in its particularity. Without concepts-by-postulation we could never know the world in its universality and necessity. We now have enough information to give a name to Northrop's epistemology. He calls it "logical realism in epistemic correlation with radical empiricism." In other words, reason (in the form of concepts-by-postulation) epistemically correlated with the senses (in the form of concepts-by-intuition). The consequences of this theory cannot be overestimated. It has ramifications for psychology, epistemology, religion, culture and philosophy. Not only will the world now come to be seen as something that can be known both by theory as well as by sense perception, but the knower can also be known by both methods. Humans are not only what the latest science has postulated them to be, but also what they sense themselves to be. One early claim by Northrop in Ch. 2 of "The Meeting of East and West" was that Eastern Thought in general (really most applicable to Chinese thought) deals with the world as an “undifferentiated aesthetic continuum.” That is, reality is all connected and unified, not separated into distinct objects (undifferentiated continuum) and is in reality qualitative as perceived (aesthetic = perception, but later related to theory of art). Some Chinese have dismissed this as racist and simple-minded. Others have embraced it as a correct characterization.[citation needed] What Northrop contrasts with it in the west is an abstract, mathematical or formal conception of reality along with an atomistic conception of reality as fundamentally separate objects. Concepts are in the west “by postulation,” while in the East “by intuition.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._S._C._Northrop Quote
BiBottomBoy Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 You guys got me all confused. AdamSmith 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said: You guys got me all confused. Ze whole point! Quote
Members RA1 Posted January 5, 2018 Members Posted January 5, 2018 Perception is everything. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, RA1 said: Perception is everything. The instruments and the horizon line, that is to say, boiling it down. Quote
