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Porto Alegre & Curitiba - Nov/Dec 2017 - a memoir.

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Tartegogo and PopeFrancis, thank you both for you exceptionally helpful posts which I have perused with interest.
 
I will be visiting Brazil for 12 days in April - I am still trying to decide if I should include PA and Curtiba in my itinerary, and so had a few questions:
 
1. I note you have referred to vivalocal in your OP - have you sourced GPs from there before? Some of the GPs advertised on that website are stunning. Do you think this is safe? 
 
2. I have gathered from the various posts on this forum that the GPs in PA tend to be light skinned atleast compared with those in Rio/Sao Paulo (this is something I have a slight preference for) - is this something you also noticed? 
 
3. What proportion of GPs are muscular tops at Mezzaninu and Plataforma?
 
4. On a separate note, what touristy things did you do in PA/Curitiba?  
 
Thanks! 
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7 hours ago, geodesic said:
Tartegogo and PopeFrancis, thank you both for you exceptionally helpful posts which I have perused with interest.
 
I will be visiting Brazil for 12 days in April - I am still trying to decide if I should include PA and Curtiba in my itinerary, and so had a few questions:
 
1. I note you have referred to vivalocal in your OP - have you sourced GPs from there before? Some of the GPs advertised on that website are stunning. Do you think this is safe? 
 
2. I have gathered from the various posts on this forum that the GPs in PA tend to be light skinned atleast compared with those in Rio/Sao Paulo (this is something I have a slight preference for) - is this something you also noticed? 
 
3. What proportion of GPs are muscular tops at Mezzaninu and Plataforma?
 
4. On a separate note, what touristy things did you do in PA/Curitiba?  
 
Thanks! 

1)  vivalocal - I think it's as reliable as any online advertised escort anywhere... I'd only bother hiring anyone who had put some effort into their advert (real photos etc)... and came across as helpful when you contact them.  I'm mostly aware of the POA adverts... many of the adverts belong to sauna boys who you can hire in the sauna for a fraction of their online prices.  Later you'll see my experiences with 2 online hires!

2) light skins - yes it's fairly normal (90%) in POA and Curitiba... but from my memory there's plenty in Sao Paulo too if you just decide to go there.

3) muscular tops - are not really something I look for but there are muscular guys in POA.  More likely in Mezzaninu.  That said, SP and RDJ have much higher proportions of jaw-dropping "God-like" guys wandering by.

4) touristy things - POA is mainly about art galleries - every two years it hosts a South American Bienial - and it begins on 5th April 2018!... there are some great permanent galleries and the incredibly sad Iberê Camargo Foundation (an ultra modern riverside landmark gallery that has been a financial flop and is now only open on Friday afternoons)... Curitba has a load of tourist destinations (I'll mention them later) but you have to weight it up against what else is on offer in Curitiba.

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32 minutes ago, floridarob said:

money and presents that get thrown around has always amazed me, thinking that they'll like you more.  

Nah, not because they will like you more, but because it feels good to give and see their face light up.

But they are often (not always) thankful afterwards and the sex sometimes gets significantly better, even when it is already good.

It certainly did for me, and I think @PopeFrancis ‘s presents also had this effect at least once (in posts yet to come if I remember well from reading a draft of this). 

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Insightful point floridarob; it is sad to read stories such as this.
 
I do also agree with Tarte that tips, presents, etc. make the sex way better, I see it as is a very cheap way of upgrading to business class, if you'll excuse the flight metaphor. I only realised this recently;  up until last year, I would never tip as going rate here in London is quite high anyway, but since I started tipping (around 10%), I have consistently found my hires to be more 'enthusiastic'; one now french kisses deeply whereas he would have never done this before...  

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6 hours ago, Tartegogo said:

Nah, not because they will like you more, but because it feels good to give and see their face light up.

But they are often (not always) thankful afterwards and the sex sometimes gets significantly better, even when it is already good.

It certainly did for me, and I think @PopeFrancis ‘s presents also had this effect at least once (in posts yet to come if I remember well from reading a draft of this). 

Floridarob and I have a good friend who brings 2 or 3 large boxes weighing between 50 and 70 lbs (that he pays a extra $200. as extra baggage) all filled with presents for the boys, 50 pairs of calvin klein underwear, shirts, 30 baseball caps, etc) he takes a big bag every night to the sauna to hand them out, and the boys thank him, give him a kiss, and go and try to sell them.. they make fun of him behind his back and they do nothing extra for him in the rooms!  they think he is a fool for giving something away for free.  He has been doing this since 2003.  Now I will say it gives him pleasure to give presents, but we have compared notes on guys we have both been with, and they do the minimum with him.

 

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5 hours ago, floridarob said:

I'd say many here that think these guys are into them, or love them (even BF's)....could also use honesty.....money and presents that get thrown around has always amazed me, thinking that they'll like you more.  

I respectfully disagree.

Most people don't "throw around" "money and presents" in the hope of being liked more.

And I've read Tomcal's "they think he's a fool" anecdote a few times on here in the past.  I'd even read it before deciding it was something I wanted to do.

 

...and it's a viewpoint which has been allowed to prevail unchallenged on this forum.

 

BUT there are so many reasons why people enjoy giving presents...

- on a basic level it's another "thank you"... a tip for providing a service to you

- you can actually feel good by giving presents - the biochemical gratification of being the gift-giver is far larger than than being the gift-recipient - I really really enjoy giving presents... and I suspect that Tomcal's "they think he's a fool" falls into this bracket as well.

- for me it neatly fits into the way I was brought up - "treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself".

- and I think certain items really are appreciated - Perfumes which are very cheap in the UK are prohibitively expensive in Brazil (a 100ml bottle of CK One Red would cost me less than £15 in the UK, an equivalent bottle bought in Brazil would cost around £100)

 

Take Marcus (above) for instance.  A year ago or so, I scrolled through his Facebook page.  I saw he'd posted a photo of a bottle of Hugo Boss perfume... so I thought he must like it.... fast forward and we're sitting on a bed... I lead the conversation to the photo... he tells me that the picture was not of a perfume he owned, but of a perfume he dreamt of owning (WTF) !!!???!!!  He went on to say that if he had a bottle of it, he wouldn't be able to use it because he'd be so scared to use it up... he had no idea of what was coming... and to be honest, I had no idea how far away he was from actually owning a bottle... anyway then I gave him two bottles of different Hugo Boss perfume and told him he must use them!  He just sat there and cried.  I'd had no idea of how much these would mean to him.  We didn't kiss.  We didn't have sex.  We just went to sleep in the end.  Fully clothed. 

We didn't have sex at all the whole time I was there. 

I was too aware of how easy it would have been to take advantage of him.

 

Tartegogo and Geodesic both feel that presents have led to better sex.

And Tartegogo also suggests (he's read a draft of this diary) that my presents have led to better sex.

I'd never really thought about it.  I just sort of thought me and the guys were finding each others likes...

But the "what happens next" is certainly not something that you negotiate in the corridor of Mezzaninu...

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3 hours ago, Tomcal said:

Floridarob and I have a good friend who brings 2 or 3 large boxes weighing between 50 and 70 lbs (that he pays a extra $200. as extra baggage) all filled with presents for the boys, 50 pairs of calvin klein underwear, shirts, 30 baseball caps, etc) he takes a big bag every night to the sauna to hand them out, and the boys thank him, give him a kiss, and go and try to sell them.. they make fun of him behind his back and they do nothing extra for him in the rooms!  they think he is a fool for giving something away for free.  He has been doing this since 2003.  Now I will say it gives him pleasure to give presents, but we have compared notes on guys we have both been with, and they do the minimum with him.

I think there is a difference between the 40 minutes quickie in a cabin, and a genuine connection that include multiple conversations and one or more overnights with a garoto.

I can see why giving presents indiscriminately to all the guys you have sex with in a cabin would be seen as just a weird quirk of personality, but giving something  to a guy whose life you start to understand, and something that is genuinely needed, that is something I want to continue doing.

I am pretty sure they don’t all think being generous is being a fool, anyway. That would make them cynical arseholes. They are not all assholes, they are good people, well, most of them are. 

 

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There is a fee to enjoy his dick or ass or both while some people gets his same stuff for free. If he performs well maybe he deserves a reasonable tip from those he charges, but shouldn't he get presents from those agraciated with his free stuff? Love for sale is a different beast!

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My comments were from my perspective and MANY years of being in Brasil, Thailand, Cuba to mention a few places.

I am still in touch with guys I've met 15 yrs ago..in all those places.

I speak Spanish, Portuguese fairly well (some Thai, but many Thai's speak English)....I've hung out with many guys, that I've never had sex with and listened to the stories of how they are like actors....crying, being sad, needing money for school or their kids (that they don't even have). There's just so much experience that's difficult to share......but , like I said, many times...If it makes you feel better, if you want to go throw 100 dollar (or Euro) bills of your balcony....do it, it's your money.

Tom can attest to this, how many guys, down the road will email or text, call and say that they need money for ____________ fill in the blank. It's par for the course, imagine how many clients these guys have every week, month, year....is staggering. And just a small percentage agree and send them something........I flat out say no and most say ok, Thanks...others persist to a point I have to block them.

In the end , I think it's cute when people think they are bettering someone's life with something materialistic.....Just think of this quote again I tell him that it was Paolo’s decision to cut himself, not Leandro's and allowing Paulo to stay in his bed is not being honest with Paolo.  Paolo needs honesty"


 

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7 hours ago, floridarob said:

if you want to go throw 100 dollar (or Euro) bills of your balcony

Throw of your balcony? Completely irrelevant comparison.

By the way, do you guys say the same to your friends who buy a present for their nephew at Christmas?  "But you are not going to get better sex out of this! You are throwing money of the balcony!"

Are you dead inside?

7 hours ago, floridarob said:

how many guys, down the road will email or text, call and say that they need money for ____________ fill in the blank

Yes, some do that. So what?  It doesn't say anything about those who don't do that.

in case you think we don't, we know they have sex with us for the money. We know they would rather be somewhere else, if it wasn't for the money. It doesn't mean I can't make a few moments better anyway while together, for both the boy and I.

7 hours ago, floridarob said:

I think it's cute when people think they are bettering someone's life with something materialistic

I assume you buy some materialistic things for yourself. You don't live under a bridge, do you? Why do you ever buy anything for yourself, if it doesn't better your life?

I think the word I am looking for is hypocrisy.

7 hours ago, floridarob said:

Just think of this quote again I tell him that it was Paolo’s decision to cut himself, not Leandro's and allowing Paulo to stay in his bed is not being honest with Paolo.  Paolo needs honesty"

Why are you mixing up someone's mental health issues with a simple present. That is sick.

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Finally I can disagree with Tartegogo!  floridarob has his own opinion, based upon his experience, and it isn't sick or hypocritical. It's just different from yours!

I don't give presents, but I do tip. I never send money after I leave. That's just me and I wouldn't expect anyone to blindly follow my opinion.

One example is tipping a go-go dancer. I will sit in a bar for awhile watching the guys, but I don't off one. I give the guy I liked best a tip though, just for pleasing me with doing his job. I don't see that as throwing money away, but someone else might. Okey-dokey with me.

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5 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Thanks Lucky for your input, no sense in beating a dead horse, I think you got it right.....But Tartegogo should go re-read his last comments and then analyze what I was saying....misconstrued every line, smh 

Then please explain, because I don't get you at all.

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1 hour ago, Lucky said:

Finally I can disagree with Tartegogo!  floridarob has his own opinion, based upon his experience, and it isn't sick or hypocritical. It's just different from yours!

Sorry, @Lucky, I can clearly read "if you want to go throw 100 dollar (or Euro) bills of your balcony" , that is not talking about his experience, AND that is clearly misconstruing what PopeFrancis and I do: we are not throwing away money.

Why would he say we are? He is clearly coming here to diminish the value of our generosity for no reason that I can see, (appart from maybe making himself feel better about not being generous? I have no idea.)

If you want to tell your own story, do that, but don't come here and start saying "you" in PopeFrancis's travel report thread, and then use negative words like "throw away".

I can also read the sarcasm in "I think it's cute when people think they are bettering someone's life with something materialistic". If I was wrong, apologies, but if it isn't sarcasm, then why didn't he write "I think it's cute when people are bettering someone's life with something materialistic". 

The sarcasm is again designed to belittle the impact of generosity.

As for the hypocrisy, what do you call this dialog?

  • A: "I bought myself a smartphone. I love it, it has really improved my life"
  • B: "Can I have one too?"
  • A: "No, materialistic things won't improve your life."

As for his last comment about a guy clearly undergoing a depression, resulting in him cutting himself, I can't see how a straight-thinking mind would bring that on the table to talk about presents. That completely baffles me and still needs explaining.

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I like you a lot, @Lucky

But just think about the opposite situation, if @PopeFrancis went to @floridarob‘s travel report and started to write generic comments like:

“if one wants to be a cheapo and not pay the boys enough for all the time they give us, do it, it's your life, If it makes you feel better”

... would you still say, “it is fine, it is just a different person and opinion”?

Some writings are designed to trigger a negative emotional response. Unlike you, I don’t find them welcome here.

Anyway, you are probably right. Yes, you are right, I have to let this go. 

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People have responded negatively to my posts, either here or other forums. I usually justify myself and end  say something like, everyone's entitled to their opinions....I don't get offended, at least I don't think I do...;)

If you look at my original reply, I said this was a very good read, however something stood out to me and it had nothing to do with Paulo's  mental state or trying to kill himself.....just the line of him needing honesty, and that struck me as ironic.

The real "sickness" that many/most of us suffer here is a sexual addiction, same as  drug, coffee, cigarette, alcohol, gambling...etc addictions..... and that is obvious by the number of programas done just in one day, like binge drinking...but this is a completely different topic.

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27 minutes ago, floridarob said:

The real "sickness" that many/most of us suffer here is a sexual addiction, same as  drug, coffee, cigarette, alcohol, gambling...etc addictions..... and that is obvious by the number of programas done just in one day, like binge drinking...but this is a completely different topic.

Actually, @Lucky, I don’t mind this change of subject. 

A different topic, but I think a very relevant one to this thread given how many times popefrancis hired per days, and how many times I hired per day. 

I have just tried to find a medical definition for sex addiction, and one thing that stood out is “Sexual addiction prevents people from managing their sexual behavior”

(from https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/182473.php)

I don’t think we are quite there yet, we are still in full control and managing, well at least, at least I am, even in hotest moments in the cabin with two guys servicing me.

 Pity, actually, I could have claimed my escort costs from my health insurance, as a “symptom management method”.

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