FLYNN TO IMPLICATE TRUMP

[BiBottomBoy]

In theory it was created to make sure we didn't elect dictators

[AdamSmith]

2 hours ago, BiBottomBoy said:

In theory it was created to make sure we didn't elect dictators

Not at all.

It was created to make sure that when we eventually DID -- as we assuredly eventually would -- elect dictators, there would be the sure mechanism for removing them.

The Framers were very astute 'psychologists'.

[BiBottomBoy]

yes. and it failed at that

[Guest Larstrup]

3 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

Yes.

You don't read the papers? The RePiglicans were only keeping him on until they could get their grotesque tax bill through.

The second after he signs that, impeachment proceedings will start like a diesel train.

That is the universal consensus in the Congress. (Press reports affirm this, as do one's own personal contacts among the MA, NC, VA and a few other delegations.)

Get out the popcorn.  

While I too have heard and read such suggestions, I personally don’t see it happening. At least not as soon as you suggest. Once the light of day shines fully on this Republican tax cut, I suspect the 2018 midterms are going to be a bloodbath for those in the party up for reelection.

Removing trump before those elections Would even further the Republicans demise and their majority in Congress when Trump’s base rises up in rebellion against them. 

 As much is the GOP might be disgusted with Trump, they own him and it won’t be quite that simple for them to get rid of him. 

 Now with Mueller’s investigation’s, we could see an entirely different set of circumstances and actions to be taken, not only against this president but also possibly against Pence, depending upon what not only Flynn’s testimony provides, but also from what Mueller actually now knows which none of us know anything about right now. 

[AdamSmith]

7 minutes ago, Larstrup said:

While I too have heard and read such suggestions, I personally don’t see it happening. At least not as soon as you suggest. Once the light of day shines fully on this Republican tax cut, I suspect the 2018 midterms are going to be a bloodbath for those in the party up for reelection.

Removing trump before those elections Would even further the Republicans demise and their majority in Congress when Trump’s base rises up in rebellion against them. 

 As much is the GOP might be disgusted with Trump, they own him and it won’t be quite that simple for them to get rid of him. 

 Now with Mueller’s investigation’s, we could see an entirely different set of circumstances and actions to be taken, not only against this president but also possibly against Pence, depending upon what not only Flynn’s testimony provides, but also from what Mueller actually now knows which none of us know anything about right now. 

You think? I agree with all of that, but I still think Ryan, McConnell et al. would be willing to take all those risks in order to get the far more predictable and tractable Pence at the helm. And get rid of this lunatic whose own Treasury secretary has already actively cut him out of conference phone calls so that actual 'progress' can be made in Congressional negotiations.

[AdamSmith]

23 minutes ago, BiBottomBoy said:

yes. and it failed at that

Give. It. Time.

[AdamSmith]

Great inside dirt.

‘I’ve Got a Crook Running My Campaign’

Donald Trump, Paul Manafort and me.

By COREY LEWANDOWSKI December 04, 2017

The following is an excerpt from Let Trump Be Trump by Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie, to be published on December 3.

We were somewhere over New Jersey, on our way to an event in Delaware, on the Trump helicopter when all hell broke loose. On board were Mr. Trump, the campaign’s press secretary Hope Hicks, security chief Keith Schiller, one Secret Service agent and me. Paul Manafort had been part of the campaign for a few weeks, his job to secure enough delegates to push Trump over the top at the Republican National Convention.

When the boss originally asked me to set up a meeting for him with Manafort, I had to think for a second before the name made sense. It was Tom Barrack, the CEO of the investment firm Colony Capital and a friend of the boss’s for 30 years, who recommended Manafort. I made the call, and a dinner was set up for the following week at Mar-a-Lago. The first thing the boss said when he met Paul was, “Wow, you’re a good-looking guy,” the same words he’d said when he first met me. Manafort, who was older than me by about 30 years, had had some work done to secure his youthful appearance.

Manafort had made strategic alliances with members of the Trump family. In April, weeks before the convention, he flew to Florida to meet with members of the Republican National Committee. There, he told them that everything Trump had said up to that point was a ruse—and he was going to show them the real Donald Trump from now on. Paul Manafort was going to change Donald Trump.

While were in the air, heading for Delaware, somebody—I think it was Ann Coulter—tweeted out a quote from Manafort saying that Trump shouldn’t be on television anymore, that he shouldn’t do the Sunday shows. And from now on Manafort would do all shows. Because he’s the fucking expert, right? Not Trump, who had already turned the whole primary race on its head.

So, we were in the helicopter and Hope said to Trump: “I turned down all the Sunday show requests.”

“What?!” the boss screamed. “Without asking me?”

“Yes, sir,” Hope said, “Paul said he doesn’t want you on TV.”

Trump went fucking ballistic. We were still over the New York metropolitan area, where you can get cell service if you fly at a low altitude.

“Lower it!” Trump yelled to the pilot. “I have to make a call.”

He got Manafort on the phone, “Did you say I shouldn’t be on TV on Sunday??” Manafort could barely hear him because of the helicopter motor. But Trump said, “I’ll go on TV anytime I goddamn fucking want and you won’t say another fucking word about me! Tone it down? I wanna turn it up! I don’t wanna tone anything down! I played along with your delegate charts, but I have had enough.”

We landed the whirlybird at the heliport and got into the car. I was in the back of the car, with Trump next to me on the passenger’s side. He got Paul on the phone and completely decimated him again verbally. Ripped his fucking head off. I wish I’d recorded it, because it was one of the greatest takedowns in the history of the world.

“You’re a political pro? Let me tell you something. I’m a pro at life. I’ve been around a time or two. I know guys like you, with your hair and your skin…”

I had worked for Trump for 15 months, and he had never spoken to me like that. He had ripped my face off, sure, but never for disrespecting him. I never pretended to be smarter than the boss, because I’m not. But Manafort did, and he isn’t. Though I felt vindicated, the feeling didn’t last long. I immediately got a phone call from Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, telling me that I wasn’t a team player and that I’d thrown Manafort under the bus. After his call with the boss, Paul had called Jared and complained about me. I believed the family thought I wasn’t a team player and that I was trying to sabotage Paul’s relationship with their father. They didn’t realize it was the other way around: He was trying to sabotage me. I knew right then that my job had an expiration date.

***

Four months later, it was August 14, a Sunday night, and Trump Tower was relatively empty. It was Steve Bannon’s first day on the Trump campaign, so he made his way to the fourteenth floor and found a desk. Just as he was settling in, his phone rang. It was Manafort, who had become the Trump campaign manager, replacing me.

Earlier that day, Bannon had first met the candidate and his campaign manager at Trump’s golf course in Bedminster, New Jersey. Manafort had appeared dressed in boat shoes, white capri pants with string ties and a blue blazer complete with a crest on the breast pocket.

Thurston Howell III, Bannon thought.

Now he was asking if they could meet.

“Sure, where are you?” Steve asked.

“Trump Tower,” Manafort said.

Well, that’s convenient, Steve thought.

“I’m in 43G,” he said.

The apartment, like all the apartments in Trump Tower, was beautiful, with a drop-dead view.

Manafort wanted Steve to look at a transcript of a story, yet another one, that a New York Times reporter had sent to him. Bannon read the first three paragraphs and then looked up him.

“Twelve-point-seven-million-dollar payment from Ukraine?”

“How much of this is true?” Bannon asked.

“It’s all lies,” Manafort said. “My lawyers are fighting it.”

“When are they going to run it?” Bannon asked.

“They’re threatening to publish tomorrow.”

“Does Trump know about this?”

“What’s to know? It’s all lies.”

“But if it’s in the paper someone has to give Trump a heads-up, because if it’s in the paper, it’s reality.”

“It was a long time ago,” he added. “I had expenses.”

Bannon knew what he had in his hand.

It was an explosive, Page One story. And even if the story wasn’t true, it was in the fucking New York Times. At the very least it would leave a mark.

Just as Steve had thought, the story ran the next day, August 15, on Page One, above the fold.

“I’ve got a crook running my campaign,” Trump said when he read it.

***

Trump told Bannon to fire Manafort right away. Steve argued that firing his campaign chairman would cause a shitstorm of bad press. Instead, he argued that Trump should take away his authority and give him a new title, which is what happened. When the campaign announced the new team, Bannon had the title of campaign CEO, Kellyanne Conway was the campaign manager and Manafort remained the title of campaign chairman.

The kill shot for Paul came on Thursday August 18, when Trump was about to go onstage at a rally in Charlotte, North Carolina. A friend showed him a printout of an AP story written by Jeff Horwitz and Chad Day. Based on emails that the AP had obtained, the story described Manafort running “a covert Washington lobbying operation on behalf of Ukraine’s ruling political party, attempting to sway American public opinion in favor of the country’s pro-Russian government.” It also said that Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, had “never disclosed their work as foreign agents as required under federal law.”

“Tell Jared to fire him,” Trump said.

The next morning at a breakfast meeting in Trump Tower, Jared asked Manafort to resign. At first, Paul balked. He was worried about the perception of being forced out of the campaign right after the Ukraine stories broke.

“It will make me look guilty,” he said.

Jared told him there wasn’t much that could be done. A press release was going out in 60 seconds.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/04/paul-manafort-and-me-216004
 

[Guest Larstrup]

32 minutes ago, AdamSmith said:

You think? I agree with all of that, but I still think Ryan, McConnell et al. would be willing to take all those risks in order to get the far more predictable and tractable Pence at the helm. And get rid of this lunatic whose own Treasury secretary has already actively cut him out of conference phone calls so that actual 'progress' can be made in Congressional negotiations.

Well seeing how McConnell has now backed down from his Pledge that he would move to remove Moore From his Senate seat if elected and is now stating that he’s going to allow the people of Alabama to make their own decision about whom they elect;  I don’t believe McConnell or Ryan have the backbone or fortitude to commence impeachment hearings against this president at this time. 

 Their feckless character and fear of Trump’s base  Will forever cast the light of their impotence upon them For the world to witness.

[BiBottomBoy]

2 minutes ago, Larstrup said:

Well seeing how McConnell has now backed down from his Pledge that he would move to remove Moore From his Senate seat if elected and is now stating that he’s going to allow the people of Alabama to make their own decision about whom they elect;  I don’t believe McConnell or Ryan have the backbone or fortitude to commence impeachment hearings against this president at this time. 

 Their feckless character and fear of Trump’s base  Will forever cast the light of their impotence upon them For the world to witness.

This. Exactly this.

[AdamSmith]

Well, we'll see. This investigation and prosecution has come to a boil far more quickly than I would ever have thought.

If Flynn was indeed wearing a wire, it could all blow up pretty soon.

Even if not, the beans he's surely already spilled to get that very light sentencing deal -- not to add whatever Papadapoulis says or has already said, plus then what Manafort eventually spills to save his own hide -- have already got this admin in a noose.

[BiBottomBoy]

If the GOP cares about it

[AdamSmith]

Now this could get interesting. 

Trump's personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller

Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump’s biggest lender, is forced to submit documents after special prosecutor issues subpoena

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-handed-over-robert-mueller

[BiBottomBoy]

Yeah. That's much more interesting than Flynn