Is It Wrong For Me To Confront Someone Who Makes Racist Comments??

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

Hey Guys,

After thinking about this whole mess with Daddy and My EOY being stripped over what was said to him by someone else what he said was racist - Was it wrong for me to confront this man at times when I felt offended only to get back in return such insensitivity and threats if I didn't put up with him using the "N" word he'd be done with me and dismiss me?

What would you call someone with such an aggressive bullying demeanor?

How would you handle someone you call as a mentor/friend take pleasure(cause they're unhappy and miserable) and what can be appeared to be pride in devouring your self-worth in someway by putting you down racially in order to push your buttons cause they feel they can or have the power to?

Is it okay for this Porn star/Escort to call me a "N" as a form of attack for his anger towards me for whatever reason?

How would you handle these conflicts and to what degree?

[paulsf]

Of all the things that life will throw at you, this will be one of the most unimportant things that will happen to you,. When your 70 years old and thinking back on life....losing your prostitute of the year award just won't matter.  

Time to turn the page and move on with your life. 

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

37 minutes ago, paulsf said:

Of all the things that life will throw at you, this will be one of the most unimportant things that will happen to you,. When your 70 years old and thinking back on life....losing your prostitute of the year award just won't matter.  

Time to turn the page and move on with your life. 

I'll be saying the samething when Daddy loses his website as I'll be winning my victory on turning the page on that too I suppose. Wink

If it's such a prostitute site what the hell are you doing and commenting on it if were such prostitutes?

The word(in case you didn't notice or been educated on) is "ESCORT".

Thank you!!!

JD

[paulsf]

So there are no prostitutes on this site or that site?   I haven't hired for a few years now that I'm retired. I know several of the posters personally is the reason I still hang around here.    If Daddy's site goes bye bye, I won't lose any sleep either .  I started hiring before you were born.   I'm sure you have engaged in prostitution at least once.    Is escort a word that has to be used because it's politically correct ?    

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

1 hour ago, paulsf said:

So there are no prostitutes on this site or that site?   I haven't hired for a few years now that I'm retired. I know several of the posters personally is the reason I still hang around here.    If Daddy's site goes bye bye, I won't lose any sleep either .  I started hiring before you were born.   I'm sure you have engaged in prostitution at least once.    Is escort a word that has to be used because it's politically correct ?

I don't know, darling - why don't we just do a poll and see shall we how escorts respond when being called a "prostitute".

Pretty confident you will find not too many escorts are fond of being called "Prostitutes", but I'll just let you find out for yourself since you seem to be an expert on what escorts like to be labeled as. :).

Trust me - once Daddy's is gone, I wont lose any sleep either being I don't think the man takes me seriously, but (like Kesslar learned the hard way thinking I didn't have the balls to do what I did to get even with him) he will soon find out. I can promise you that much.

[Guest Scorpio]

Of course, it is not wrong to confront racism; but you knew that already.  You were just seeking attention and validation, as you always do.

 

However, it is wrong to be complicit in said racism.  Based on your own words, the racists comments started at your very first meeting with this person almost 2 years ago. Based on your words, you asked him stop and he did not. So every time, from that point forward, when you initiated contact with him, you were complicit in his behavior. Every time you solicited advice from this person, you were an active and willing participant in his alleged racism.  You willingly chose to be mentored by someone that allegedly hurled racial epithets at you.  You actively and willingly pandered to someone that repeatedly made racially offensive comments in your presence.  You actively and willingly attempted to ingratiate yourself to someone you claim was being racially insensitive.  It is not normal behavior to drive 300 miles to celebrate the birthday of someone that you claim is being racially insensitive towards you, even worse you bring a present. You claim this person damaged your self-esteem with his behavior, but it was you damaging your own self-esteem by being a willing participant.  In a less politically correct time, there was a term for people that willingly participated in this type behavior.  

But you did it all in order to increase your chances of winning a silly title.  A title, that despite it’s pretense, is awarded subjectively not based on a majority of the votes.  If the title was objectively awarded based on the majority of the votes, there would be no need to provide a reason with one’s vote.  Practically the only time that title was awarded with any objectivity or transparency was around 2002 or 2003 when the voting was administered by Tampa Yankee.  The voting was done entirely in public and the methodology for weighting the votes was disclosed. 

And yet, despite all the abuse you allegedly endured at his hands, you cling to a silly title bestowed upon you by someone that you profess to be a racist. What’s worse, you use the person’s “name” not once, but three times in your ads.  That’s just not normal behavior.

 

Now to the event that supposedly led to this whole sorted mess in the first place.  Based on your words, Steven Kessler apparently discussed a topic at this ill-fated birthday party that you had asked him not to be discuss. This is confirmed by Steven’s public postings on the matter, and your injudicious posting of his private correspondence to a public forum. What is apparent (to me at least) is that Steven Kessler inadvertently broached this subject at the birthday festivities.   It was not a deliberate breech of confidence (especially since the subject matter was already known to the participants.) In other words, it happened by accident. It was not malicious or premeditated 

However, your response to the matter was most definitely malicious and premeditated.  Again, based on your own words (posted repeatedly in this forum and others), you deliberately set out to seek revenge against Steven Kessler for this event.  You intentionally betrayed his confidence with the intent to hurt Steven Kessler and damage (if not destroy) his friendship with Dane Scott.  Again, I drawing this conclusion based on your words and your words alone.  You had no regard to the pain that it might inflict on Dane Scott, who was an innocent bystander in this sorted mess.  You simply did not care.  You felt wronged, so in your mind the ends justified the means.  Your actions were unnecessarily vicious and vindictive and in no way indicative of man that professes himself to be kind and loving. 

 

What is apparent is that you are kind and loving only if you think you have something to gain from the situation or only if someone is providing you unconditional love and support.  How quickly would you turn one of your remaining supporters if they were the least bit honest with your regarding your egregious behavior?  That’s something they should seriously consider going forward.

Lastly, you profess to be a believer in Karma.  I seriously doubt that.  Otherwise, you would recognize that your current situation (and perhaps much of your life) is merely your own negative Karma biting you in the ass.

[Guest Larstrup]

[Suckrates]

1 hour ago, Scorpio said:

Of course, it is not wrong to confront racism; but you knew that already.  You were just seeking attention and validation, as you always do.

 

 

 

However, it is wrong to be complicit in said racism.  Based on your own words, the racists comments started at your very first meeting with this person almost 2 years ago. Based on your words, you asked him stop and he did not. So every time, from that point forward, when you initiated contact with him, you were complicit in his behavior. Every time you solicited advice from this person, you were an active and willing participant in his alleged racism.  You willingly chose to be mentored by someone that allegedly hurled racial epithets at you.  You actively and willingly pandered to someone that repeatedly made racially offensive comments in your presence.  You actively and willingly attempted to ingratiate yourself to someone you claim was being racially insensitive.  It is not normal behavior to drive 300 miles to celebrate the birthday of someone that you claim is being racially insensitive towards you, even worse you bring a present. You claim this person damaged your self-esteem with his behavior, but it was you damaging your own self-esteem by being a willing participant.  In a less politically correct time, there was a term for people that willingly participated in this type behavior.  

But you did it all in order to increase your chances of winning a silly title.  A title, that despite it’s pretense, is awarded subjectively not based on a majority of the votes.  If the title was objectively awarded based on the majority of the votes, there would be no need to provide a reason with one’s vote.  Practically the only time that title was awarded with any objectivity or transparency was around 2002 or 2003 when the voting was administered by Tampa Yankee.  The voting was done entirely in public and the methodology for weighting the votes was disclosed. 

And yet, despite all the abuse you allegedly endured at his hands, you cling to a silly title bestowed upon you by someone that you profess to be a racist. What’s worse, you use the person’s “name” not once, but three times in your ads.  That’s just not normal behavior.

 

 

 

Now to the event that supposedly led to this whole sorted mess in the first place.  Based on your words, Steven Kessler apparently discussed a topic at this ill-fated birthday party that you had asked him not to be discuss. This is confirmed by Steven’s public postings on the matter, and your injudicious posting of his private correspondence to a public forum. What is apparent (to me at least) is that Steven Kessler inadvertently broached this subject at the birthday festivities.   It was not a deliberate breech of confidence (especially since the subject matter was already known to the participants.) In other words, it happened by accident. It was not malicious or premeditated 

However, your response to the matter was most definitely malicious and premeditated.  Again, based on your own words (posted repeatedly in this forum and others), you deliberately set out to seek revenge against Steven Kessler for this event.  You intentionally betrayed his confidence with the intent to hurt Steven Kessler and damage (if not destroy) his friendship with Dane Scott.  Again, I drawing this conclusion based on your words and your words alone.  You had no regard to the pain that it might inflict on Dane Scott, who was an innocent bystander in this sorted mess.  You simply did not care.  You felt wronged, so in your mind the ends justified the means.  Your actions were unnecessarily vicious and vindictive and in no way indicative of man that professes himself to be kind and loving. 

 

 

 

What is apparent is that you are kind and loving only if you think you have something to gain from the situation or only if someone is providing you unconditional love and support.  How quickly would you turn one of your remaining supporters if they were the least bit honest with your regarding your egregious behavior?  That’s something they should seriously consider going forward.

 

Lastly, you profess to be a believer in Karma.  I seriously doubt that.  Otherwise, you would recognize that your current situation (and perhaps much of your life) is merely your own negative Karma biting you in the ass.

 

 

Even if I tried, and hired a Ghost writer, this situation could not have been summarized better or addressed more succinctly or eloquently.  I doubt any of it was absorbed by the "subject" since his obsession with this is a one way street, but we can only hope.   BRAVA !  

[Suckrates]

 

Lastly, THANK YOU to Lars, Scorpio, planetime and others who have stepped to the forefront to address the Elephant in the room.  I would have, but the last time I did, it didnt go over so well and only sent the OP on a rampage....

Gentlemen, you have my support, and all we can do is hope for the best.  Obviously, having this issue here is not doing anything to benefit Boytoy, which now seems like it's the JD SHOW.  This is one time I hope my cable goes out !  

[MsAnn]

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

 

Even if I tried, and hired a Ghost writer, this situation could not have been summarized better or addressed more succinctly or eloquently.  I doubt any of it was absorbed by the "subject" since his obsession with this is a one way street, but we can only hope.   BRAVA !  

 

 

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

 

Lastly, THANK YOU to Lars, Scorpio, planetime and others who have stepped to the forefront to address the Elephant in the room.  I would have, but the last time I did, it didnt go over so well and only sent the OP on a rampage....

Gentlemen, you have my support, and all we can do is hope for the best.  Obviously, having this issue here is not doing anything to benefit Boytoy, which now seems like it's the JD SHOW.  This is one time I hope my cable goes out !  

I concur...

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

5 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Now to the event that supposedly led to this whole sorted mess in the first place.  Based on your words, Steven Kessler apparently discussed a topic at this ill-fated birthday party that you had asked him not to be discuss. This is confirmed by Steven’s public postings on the matter, and your injudicious posting of his private correspondence to a public forum. What is apparent (to me at least) is that Steven Kessler inadvertently broached this subject at the birthday festivities.   It was not a deliberate breech of confidence (especially since the subject matter was already known to the participants.) In other words, it happened by accident. It was not malicious or premeditated 

Your DEAD WRONG - what Steven did wasn't an accident as he later admitted(and I can provide email documentation) that he deliberately did what he did on purpose cause he felt since Daddy already knew what happened to me in DC, but Steven revealing what I asked not to disclose to Daddy was no big deal regardless if I asked him not to repeat it or not. Doesn't matter what my reasons were for him not to repeat it to Daddy - the fact is he should have never done it in the first place after I said to him several times not to say anything.

After he betrayed my trust in front of my presence to Daddy, I still didn't disclose information he asked for me not reveal that day to Daddy about his brother suffering from an unfortunate illness. I could have very well BLASTED that his brother was suffering from a deadly illness and suggested instead of him being with me and Daddy, maybe he should be with his brother right now, but Steven felt(which I think is fair and noble on his part) we drove 300 miles to celebrate Daddy's birthday so why not make the best of it, and being I was being tormented with insults - I toughed it out to made peace of the situation like anybody with common sense would.

Don't anyone on this thread trying to call themselves knock me down for someone else's stupidity in committing betrayal as there's no right way as to what Steven did whatsoever. For you to say it was an accident is BULLSHIT. It's no accident when you repeatedly asked the person(and they agreed to my face at the time) to not say anything to Daddy or anybody for that matter, and they do so on purpose anyway. How clearer can one be than that, Scorpio? I feel somewhat your saying what he did as an accident is to get my dander up as I ain't buying it.

I made my point clear in past threads and provided documented proof in those threads to show what he did was malicious and premeditated as he came out and said in anger he discarded my wishes being Daddy knew it anyway, so why would it hurt if he repeated it even though I asked him not to? Like I said - I had my reasons as those reasons Steven knew were valid.

Should I provide that email to you so you can see for yourself of his actions being malicious for which I didn't deserve at all as I respected his wishes of him asking me not to tell Daddy certain things?

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

5 hours ago, Suckrates said:

However, it is wrong to be complicit in said racism.  Based on your own words, the racists comments started at your very first meeting with this person almost 2 years ago. Based on your words, you asked him stop and he did not. So every time, from that point forward, when you initiated contact with him, you were complicit in his behavior. Every time you solicited advice from this person, you were an active and willing participant in his alleged racism.  You willingly chose to be mentored by someone that allegedly hurled racial epithets at you.  You actively and willingly pandered to someone that repeatedly made racially offensive comments in your presence.  You actively and willingly attempted to ingratiate yourself to someone you claim was being racially insensitive.  It is not normal behavior to drive 300 miles to celebrate the birthday of someone that you claim is being racially insensitive towards you, even worse you bring a present. You claim this person damaged your self-esteem with his behavior, but it was you damaging your own self-esteem by being a willing participant.  In a less politically correct time, there was a term for people that willingly participated in this type behavior.  

But you did it all in order to increase your chances of winning a silly title.  A title, that despite it’s pretense, is awarded subjectively not based on a majority of the votes.  If the title was objectively awarded based on the majority of the votes, there would be no need to provide a reason with one’s vote.  Practically the only time that title was awarded with any objectivity or transparency was around 2002 or 2003 when the voting was administered by Tampa Yankee.  The voting was done entirely in public and the methodology for weighting the votes was disclosed. 

And yet, despite all the abuse you allegedly endured at his hands, you cling to a silly title bestowed upon you by someone that you profess to be a racist. What’s worse, you use the person’s “name” not once, but three times in your ads.  That’s just not normal behavior.

Scorpio,

The statements you provided here don't make any kind of sense whatsoever as anyone who've read my past threads in regards to Daddy and the whole EOY issues would understand why I tolerated this type of behavior from both men for so long, but since it appears you haven't read my past threads(which gave very intense, precise, and thorough details of the circumstances involved) lemme illiterate one last time so you can get what led to my patience in the entire matter to what led to where I am now with Daddy's unfortunate dismissal of me.

Yes, I tolerated this wicked and horrific behavior of Daddy's as long as I could, but for several reasons and not just one.

For one, I did confront Daddy about his racial comments offending me 6 months prior before the EOY nominations, and this man would repeatedly threaten me stating if I didn't take heed to his advice(even though at times were offensive) he'll be done with me and dismiss me(like he is now). What normal human being would say that and who calls themselves "Daddy" making a insensitive statement/threats as that? Obviously you(Scorpio) must think this is normal behavior if you and many others defending his actions, but want to discredit my actions in doing the right thing which was logical and fair considering what I was up against at the time.

2. Me and Steven had many discussions at his house in Palm Springs(when I would be there for weekend visits) about me feeling bad and discouraged of Daddy's insensitive comments about me being Black, and how I should get use to being called a "N" from others cause if I didn't he'd be done with me and see no point in giving me advice.

Steven (for one) was in shock that the man would threaten me in such a way, and two would say this like it's drinking water with no kind of heart. However, Steven advised to keep my cool, and point blank said if you don't wanna be on his bad side, and wanna win EOY - then you'll have to play the game(despite if he's being an asshole by racially insulting you or not, you have to decide whether it's important to tolerate this to win EOY).

I decided to just tough it out being I was too close in the game in winning to have it all blown out of the water and just confront it more in depth after the election/nominations have come to a close. Steven said he would like to see Daddy say this for himself as it was unbelievable to him at the time I revealed that this of disturbance was going on, and how Daddy would be such a bully in his comments and threaten to dismiss me if it wasn't tolerated for me to move further along in my career or win EOY.

Steven's words to me were, "sounds quite juvenile that Daddy would be so insensitive, and one who can be a racist by approaching the situation towards you in such a manipulative way as he's putting his power and deciding factor of you winning EOY by using such language is wrong, but I wanna see this for myself, JD". It was then I told him, whatever you do - DO NOT tell him anything I told you about what happened to me in DC back in January of 2015 as he asked me not to tell anybody about what went on there(as I told him he reasons why for which he claim he understood which were I didn't want to give Daddy more leverage in condemning me further then he already has been).

3. Steven got to witness for himself how shitty at times Daddy was towards me during our time with him in Vegas, but said if you want EOY I'm afraid you'll have to play by his rules". "It isn't fair, JD, but if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen as you could have said when we were at his place "FUCK YOU AS I TOLD YOU MANY TIMES TO NOT USE THAT WORD AND YOU KEEP DOING IT, SO FUCK YOU AND EOY - STEVEN LET'S SPLIT" and I would have followed right behind you.

Like I said to Steven, "I wasn't going to do that, and I'm this close to winning this award. What good would it do me to be this close in the game and him giving me more shit by voiding me out altogether?

Good news is - I toughed it out those last few months, and won EOY after all, and later on lost it because me and Steven fell out and to get back at me regarding the situation with Dane thought he would relay to Daddy I called him racist to Steven back on his birthday. It's sad Daddy isn't aware how Steven called Daddy a racist as well based on what he witnessed at the time of when we visited him for his birthday.

Steven confessed to me in an email he sent back in November of 2015 that he asked Daddy "why do you use the "N" word towards JD so much?" Obviously at one point it bothered Steven to hear Daddy use this word so frequent like it did when we were in Vegas.

Listen you guys, there is no right as to what Steven or what Daddy did to me, and regardless of what my reasons were in tolerating this sort of disturbing behavior - the facts are I won EOY, and toughed it out until I did win, and look what happened anyway when I confronted Daddy.

So, what does that tell you about Daddy's actions and his shortcomings? I guess to get what he wants out of a black person to go further along in his career he has to somewhat put them down to build himself up cause why couldn't he have been still just as humble when I asked him not to reference me with such a degrading word that puts down black people? Why couldn't he honor that wish - which is a normal request to not insult me? Show me respect as I show him respect. Seems to me any one of you are thinking on those lines, but instead what to make me out to be monster for coming out explaining why my EOY was truly lost and what circumstances led to this unfortunate occurrence.

Maybe you guys think I deserved such tragedy seeing your making fun of the situation and this is nothing to be made or joke about as many members from Daddy's Forum were unaware I endured this sort of behavior from Daddy and Kesslar to get where I am as EOY. Then when I get fed up and not tolerate they're bullshit in bullying and manipulate me - they wanna be jerks by dismissing me and wash they're hand of me for which is fine because hey - shows me what kind of lowlifes these guys are to get what they want out of you, and toss you away when you stand up for yourself.

I don't respect people who continuously disrespects me cause they feel they can or think they have the power to. That's where I draw the line when someone comes off thinking they can rule over you, and then wanna give you hell if you stand up for yourself. Maybe you guys can tolerate that bullshit, but I sure as hell don't.

Another thing I want to clarify that you stated about me seeking revenge on Steven. FYI, My revenge towards was based on several things he did that were manipulative and backstabbing for which I don't care to get into at this present time. One of them being when we were on our way coming back from Daddy's in Las Vegas for his birthday meeting, Steven did apologize for betraying me like he did, but instead of being sincere and apologetic(as he claimed to be) he decides (because I called him an insensitive asshole for making a statement(in an insensitive but aggressive way) "If you can't stand the heat as to what Daddy is doing to you - then get out of the fucking kitchen" was when I snapped, and just let him it by yelling at him and fell apart) to end his friendship with me. From that point on, me and Steven have been distant ever since. There's more, but don't care to get into them as it's too much to cover as to why were against each other like we are til this day.

To point out something else you stated that is in question is that Daddy informed me and Kesslar (as well as several other people) that the EOY is based on the numerous count of votes and not decided by him per say(which to me now is false or else the title wouldn't have been stripped if it's on the count of votes by the people. So literally, he's contradicting himself by saying such a thing to fellow members being were starting to see it's otherwise based on what happened to me and what hell I had to go though to come about it).

[lookin]

JD, I haven't followed all the twists and turns of your experiences, and I know that mine are not the same as what you had to put up with, but I also had to swallow some shit from clients when I was starting out in sales.  There weren’t many, thank goodness, but there are in this world some folks who take pleasure in exploiting power imbalances in business relationships in order to feel better about themselves.

The one thing that worked for me was to always remember that they were the ones with the problem, and that there would come a day when I was more successful than they were.  It’s tough to endure any kind of emotional abuse, but try to remember that they’re living a life that is going to be a lot unhappier than yours.  If you can take your revenge that way, I think you’ll have a happier and more peaceful life.

If there’s anything in my experience that might be helpful in your situation, it would be to avoid giving those people any more power than absolutely necessary, and to place much more value on your success than on their failure.  My goal was to see a happy face smiling back in my mirror, and to let them deal with what they saw looking back at them.

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

6 hours ago, Suckrates said:

However, your response to the matter was most definitely malicious and premeditated.  Again, based on your own words (posted repeatedly in this forum and others), you deliberately set out to seek revenge against Steven Kessler for this event.  You intentionally betrayed his confidence with the intent to hurt Steven Kessler and damage (if not destroy) his friendship with Dane Scott.  Again, I drawing this conclusion based on your words and your words alone.  You had no regard to the pain that it might inflict on Dane Scott, who was an innocent bystander in this sorted mess.  You simply did not care.  You felt wronged, so in your mind the ends justified the means.  Your actions were unnecessarily vicious and vindictive and in no way indicative of man that professes himself to be kind and loving. 

 

 

 

What is apparent is that you are kind and loving only if you think you have something to gain from the situation or only if someone is providing you unconditional love and support.  How quickly would you turn one of your remaining supporters if they were the least bit honest with your regarding your egregious behavior?  That’s something they should seriously consider going forward.

 

Lastly, you profess to be a believer in Karma.  I seriously doubt that.  Otherwise, you would recognize that your current situation (and perhaps much of your life) is merely your own negative Karma biting you in the ass.

Oh wow - little do you guys know. LOL.

Let me tell you something - know the facts first before you go off on a tirade of what my faults are - OK.

FYI - I wasn't the one who originally got Dane Scott involved. You see Steven made it a point how Dane would talk negatively about me behind my back to him on how I couldn't be trusted, and how his clients would talk shit about me to Dane. Little did Dane know is that the very person he was telling this information to was going around disclosing confidential information about him that could literally and subsequently damage ones reputation as being backstabbing and untrusted.

You see what Steven was literally telling me (before this all came to a head) is that Dane(even though was my friend) was talking shit about me to others behind my back as Steven felt it was wise to tell me that Dane in someways couldn't be trusted knowing I said nothing but the best compliments about him to others, but he was going around bad mouthing me to escorts and clients.

So, before you(Scorpio) start going off on me pointing out what my faults are in this situation, you may wanna listen and understand first how Dane got himself involved to begin with as I didn't initially ruin or try to ruin Steven and Dane's relationship in exercising my revenge towards Steven based on something Dane wasn't aware of. 

One can say Steven started this bullshit in the beginning by telling me confidential information about Dane due to the fact he felt I could help Dane on a professional level possibly based on my Psychology background for me and Dane to become closer as friends for me to help him Psychologically.

I guess you can say I got revenge on both of them for doing me wrong betraying me, talking shit behind my back like they have. Both parties backstabbed me thinking one wasn't talking shit about the other like they have to me(and separately), so I thought hey, why not everyone be open to who's talking shit about who as no one is innocent in this matter - neither Kesslar or Scott it seems since one is going around talking shit about the other behind each other backs. At this point, I've had enough of putting my trust In these people who I thought I can turn to as friends and mentors and get stabbed in the back everytime. You see they don't like it when bad things are done to them, but wanna give you shit when you call them out on it. How fucked up is that?

Trust me - Dane wasn't pleased one bit to know Steven told me this information nor to come to find out Steven also told me every bit of what Dane said about me to other people about me negatively which was dishonest by smiling in my face being a so-called friend, but went around talking shit about me behind my back.

What was surprising to me (and still is til this day): Dane admitted he said to Steven I couldn't be trusted based on what others have said to him about me. I shared with Dane that escorts in NYC and Steven himself have confided in me that you couldn't be trusted either as it seems to be common knowledge I guess you(Dane) bad mouths escorts. 

Four escorts in both Chicago and NYC have confided in me how clients have said to them how you (Dane) would bad mouth them to clients as well as not wanting to work with other escorts he's tarnished they name to. Dane didn't know any of this information was being said about him from other escorts as I've kept it quiet for a long time. As always, will still speak well of Dane despite of they're negative comments about Dane, and give Dane the benefit of the doubt being he was my friend, but after Kesslar told me of the horrible statements he's said about me when my back was turned - I was too through being I didn't think that Dane would be so unwise to conduct such betrayal toward me being I never betrayed him or his trust in me - EVER.

Very shocking to me how you do right by others, but come to find out in the end they've wronged you.

Yeah, some friend Dane was to both parties(Me and Kesslar) I guess being he backstabbed both Steven and me by talking shit about Steven, and talking shit about me to Steven, but didn't know one day his Best Friend(Steven) would turn the tables on him and tell me of what all he said about me.

Oh my - so much drama as yes karma can bite one in the ass. Look what happened to Dane thinking he can pull the wool over my eyes telling people horrible things about me, and it backfired on him as the very people who he thought wouldn't say anything turned on him in anger and told me in spite anyway.

Oh yeah,  Karma can be a real bitch if you turn out to be a bitch to the very person who didn't deserve it and did right by you. I've been nothing but loyal and trusting to these people and got my ass kicked in the end by doing so.

I think by me explaining everything that's happened should be a good wake-up call how it doesn't pay to think you can deceive people and get away with it as it will come back to haunt you eventually considering the turn of events that's happened in this case.

So Scorpio, I wanna see what your comments are on this new information I just shared being maybe there are a lot of skeletons in the closet Steven or myself haven't presented that's finally coming out that you or anyone else on this forum or Daddy's forum are aware of.

[Suckrates]

12 minutes ago, JDDanielsxxx said:

Oh wow - little do you guys know. LOL.

Let me tell you something - know the facts first before you go off on a tirade of what my faults are - OK.

FYI - I wasn't the one who originally got Dane Scott involved. You see Steven made it a point how Dane would talk negatively about me behind my back to him on how I couldn't be trusted, and how his clients would talk shit about me to Dane. Little did Dane know is that the very person he was telling this information to was going around disclosing confidential information about him that could literally and subsequently damage ones reputation as being backstabbing and untrusted.

You see what Steven was literally telling me (before this all came to a head) is that Dane(even though was my friend) was talking shit about me to others behind my back as Steven felt it was wise to tell me that Dane in someways couldn't be trusted knowing I said nothing but the best compliments about him to others, but he was going around bad mouthing me to escorts and clients.

So, before you(Scorpio) start going off on me pointing out what my faults are in this situation, you may wanna listen and understand first how Dane got himself involved to begin with as I didn't initially ruin or try to ruin Steven and Dane's relationship in exercising my revenge towards Steven based on something Dane wasn't aware of. 

One can say Steven started this bullshit in the beginning by telling me confidential information about Dane due to the fact he felt I could help Dane on a professional level possibly based on my Psychology background for me and Dane to become closer as friends for me to help him Psychologically.

I guess you can say I got revenge on both of them for doing me wrong betraying me, talking shit behind my back like they have. Both parties backstabbed me thinking one wasn't talking shit about the other like they have to me(and separately), so I thought hey, why not everyone be open to who's talking shit about who as no one is innocent in this matter - neither Kesslar or Scott it seems since one is going around talking shit about the other behind each other backs. At this point, I've had enough of putting my trust In these people who I thought I can turn to as friends and mentors and get stabbed in the back everytime. You see they don't like it when bad things are done to them, but wanna give you shit when you call them out on it. How fucked up is that?

Trust me - Dane wasn't pleased one bit to know Steven told me this information nor to come to find out Steven also told me every bit of what Dane said about me to other people about me negatively which was dishonest by smiling in my face being a so-called friend, but went around talking shit about me behind my back.

What was surprising to me (and still is til this day): Dane admitted he said to Steven I couldn't be trusted based on what others have said to him about me. I shared with Dane that escorts in NYC and Steven himself have confided in me that you couldn't be trusted either as it seems to be common knowledge I guess you(Dane) bad mouths escorts. 

Four escorts in both Chicago and NYC have confided in me how clients have said to them how you (Dane) would bad mouth them to clients as well as not wanting to work with other escorts he's tarnished they name to. Dane didn't know any of this information was being said from other escorts as I've kept it quiet for a long time, but always will still speak well of Dane despite of they're negative comments about Dane, and give Dane the benefit of the doubt being he was my friend, but after Kesslar told me he's even spoke shit about me - I was too through being I didn't think that Dane would be so unwise to do such betrayal toward me being I never betrayed him or his trust - EVER. Very shocking to me how you do right by others, but come to find out in the end they've wronged you.

Yeah, some friend Dane was to both parties(Me and Kesslar) I guess being he backstabbed both Steven and me by talking shit about Steven, and talking shit about me to Steven, but didn't know one day his Best Friend(Steven) would turn the tables on him and tell me of what all he said about me.

Oh my - so much drama as yes karma can bite one in the ass. Look what happened to Dane thinking he can pull the wool over my eyes telling people horrible things about me, and it backfired on him as the very people who he thought wouldn't say anything turned on him in anger and told me in spite anyway.

Oh yeah,  Karma can be a real bitch if you turn out to be a bitch to the very person who didn't deserve it and did right by you. I've been nothing but loyal and trusting to these people and got my ass kicked in the end by doing so.

I think by me explaining everything that's happened should be a good wake-up call how it doesn't pay to think you can deceive people and get away with it as it will come back to haunt you eventually considering the turn of events that's happened in this case.

 

Sorry JD,  your quote of me is a mis-quote....I never wrote that.  It was Scorpio.  As always you seem to get things TWISTED.

I rest my case.

 

[RA1]

Wow.  So much verbiage, so little information. 

 

Best regards,

RA1

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

1 hour ago, Suckrates said:

Sorry JD,  your quote of me is a mis-quote....I never wrote that.  It was Scorpio.  As always you seem to get things TWISTED.

I rest my case.

My apologies, Scorpio as it was directed to the person who made the post. I stand corrected if I made a mistake in the name - the facts remain the same as to what I said about the individuals in question, but if I got the name wrong of who made the post...I apologize.

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

28 minutes ago, RA1 said:

Wow.  So much verbiage, so little information.

Would you care to share what you meant by your statement? I'm confused who is it directed to.

[MsAnn]

LOL Yes RA1, could you explain.

[RA1]

 I thought the words were self explanatory. 

 

Best regards,

RA1

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

2 hours ago, lookin said:

JD, I haven't followed all the twists and turns of your experiences, and I know that mine are not the same as what you had to put up with, but I also had to swallow some shit from clients when I was starting out in sales.  There weren’t many, thank goodness, but there are in this world some folks who take pleasure in exploiting power imbalances in business relationships in order to feel better about themselves.

The one thing that worked for me was to always remember that they were the ones with the problem, and that there would come a day when I was more successful than they were.  It’s tough to endure any kind of emotional abuse, but try to remember that they’re living a life that is going to be a lot unhappier than yours.  If you can take your revenge that way, I think you’ll have a happier and more peaceful life.

If there’s anything in my experience that might be helpful in your situation, it would be to avoid giving those people any more power than absolutely necessary, and to place much more value on your success than on their failure.  My goal was to see a happy face smiling back in my mirror, and to let them deal with what they saw looking back at them.

I agree, and your absolutely right. Just painful to know I put up with this crap, and how someone can just religiously get away with doing someone who's kind wrong.

Yes, I'm furiously angry, hurt and upset by all of the madness as to how people can respect someone who is bigoted and has wrong me like that, but allow this person to get away with such a thing.

What I went though to help further along my career as EOY hurts, but do know that they'll get what's coming to them in the end as you do get what you put out in the long run.

I will say, I paid some serious dues to win the award by all cost by enduring some hurtful and painful sacrifices, but do need to understand something better will come along one day that would make up I'm sure for all the hurt I have encountered from these serious obstacles I had to face.

[paulsf]

What is it that your looking for. You've come over here and posted all this for a bunch of guys who probably could really care less. 

What is your end game. What has to happen for you to put this to rest and move on with your life?  ( in 5 sentences or less). 

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

8 hours ago, Suckrates said:

Even if I tried, and hired a Ghost writer, this situation could not have been summarized better or addressed more succinctly or eloquently.  I doubt any of it was absorbed by the "subject" since his obsession with this is a one way street, but we can only hope.   BRAVA !  

Unfortunately, it appears to me you're an individual one who love and thrive on destruction and drama, and just don't seem to get whatsoever as to what's been explained and evaluated as to the reasons of my downfall of what I went through to win EOY.

I've explained all the pain I have went through and the many sacrifices I've encountered with such racism and tolerance in order for me to strive further in career on Daddy's, and you still wanna make me to be as a joke which shows me(and possibly other members as well) your insensitive to the issue after everything that's been said and done.

Through with proven myself to ANTI-JD members as there is nothing else to prove as I have said everything there is to say about the issues at hand here, so think whatever other garbage you want about me as I've said enough as the facts have been said, proven and at this point - CLOSED for me.

Moving onto a new chapter here.

JD 

[AdamSmith]

59 minutes ago, RA1 said:

 I thought the words were self explanatory. 

"Curiously enough, it seems to be only in describing a mode of language which does not mean what it says that one can actually say what one means." - Paul de Man

 

[Guest JDDanielsxxx]

8 hours ago, MsAnn said:

Lastly, THANK YOU to Lars, Scorpio, planetime and others who have stepped to the forefront to address the Elephant in the room.  I would have, but the last time I did, it didnt go over so well and only sent the OP on a rampage....

Maybe if you didn't make such derogatory, smart ass comments(like you always do), one wouldn't have went on a rampage. You're so quick to point out other members faults, but will never admit to yours and the things you say and that that would warrant someone to go off on.

Again my motto is, " if you don't want drama thrown at you - don't create it" as I feel you did so by saying hurtful and spiteful things towards me that were unacceptable and inappropriately disgraceful to me that were unnecessary.

Even when you were proven wrong(like accusing me of making fake profiles) you never once apologized and said your sorry for any of the wrong you've commented that somewhat hurt my reputation being what you accused me of was false on your part.