AdamSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 The topic of skinflint clients, raised in another thread today, got me curious. Thus this poll. Your vote in this poll is private. No one can see how any individual voted. If you want to disclose how you voted, or in any other way exercise your First Amendment rights, feel free to do so in a post. lookin 1 Quote
Members jgoo Posted February 8, 2015 Members Posted February 8, 2015 Just to clarify and to help with consistency, are you looking for answers based on just the amount paid to the escort directly or is it inclusive of all costs associated with the appointment (which might include entertainment, travel, meals, etc)? Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Author Posted February 8, 2015 I was just about to say fees only, but what do people think? Should it be the larger number that includes the expenses we incur because of being with the escort? That might be the more meaningful number...? Quote
Members lookin Posted February 8, 2015 Members Posted February 8, 2015 Your vote in this poll is private. No one can see how any individual voted. Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh! MsGuy and AdamSmith 2 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Author Posted February 8, 2015 Thinnin on it, I just edited the poll to be explicitly about fees paid to the escort. If people want to comment on incidental expenses, that would be good to know too. Quote
paulsf Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I've taken guys out of the country for 2 or 3 week trips. The added costs of airfares, hotels, food, ect, can add up to almost as much as the fee's lookin and mvan1 2 Quote
Members jgoo Posted February 8, 2015 Members Posted February 8, 2015 I budget and track my costs/expenses for this little hobby of mine closely so I have a pretty good handle on what I spend per year. Based on my hiring preferences, the extra expenses beyond what are paid in fees and tips to the escort is typically and 50% to 60% additional. lookin 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted February 8, 2015 Members Posted February 8, 2015 I've taken guys out of the country for 2 or 3 week trips. The added costs of airfares, hotels, food, ect, can add up to almost as much as the fee's Almost as much? How about more than the fees? It really depends on where you travel with the escort, how you travel with the escort (airfare - business, first class) where you stay (type of hotels) restaurants and so forth. Those costs can dwarf the amounts paid directly to an escort. - lookin 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Author Posted February 8, 2015 Agree with all that. My total expenses are about in line with jgoo's -- the incidentals tend to run half to two-thirds of what the escort's fee is. Higher depending on class of accommodation, last-minute airfare costs, etc. Typically bringing them on a trip somewhere for a hotel-based visit. Has always been inside the U.S. for me, so not quite as high a ratio as international travel. I set the poll to ask for fee-for-time as the most constant baseline, exactly because the expenses on top of that can vary so widely depending on one's mode of hiring. mvan1 and lookin 2 Quote
Guest callipygian Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I'm calculating the value of my measly Cam4 token purchases and will vote later. [sniff, sniff] Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 8, 2015 Author Posted February 8, 2015 I forgot to denominate any choices in Green Stamps! lookin 1 Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 9, 2015 Members Posted February 9, 2015 Wait, do not neglect TV aka Top Value stamps. This could "easily" apply to escorts. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith and lookin 2 Quote
Members boiworship Posted February 9, 2015 Members Posted February 9, 2015 I've been pretty inactive the past five months but am making up for it this week in Southern Califo msclelovr and AdamSmith 2 Quote
Members msclelovr Posted February 9, 2015 Members Posted February 9, 2015 Guess I've been lucky to find preppy, fit-bodied young men in Europe who enjoy travel as much as I do. I don't haggle about fees: I find guys are eager to be my companions and I ask what they require; I simply move on if the amount seems excessive. In fact, the cash component has been remarkably little for some lengthy, long-haul trips and the other costs have amounted to a multiple of the fee. For shorter or weekend trips within Europe, however, the 'expense' to 'fee' ratio is in line with what jgoo and AdamSmith estimated. lookin 1 Quote
Members numerito Posted February 9, 2015 Members Posted February 9, 2015 I take the Fifth..... lookin and AdamSmith 2 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 9, 2015 Author Posted February 9, 2015 I take the Fifth..... Could work... numerito 1 Quote
Members mvan1 Posted February 10, 2015 Members Posted February 10, 2015 snip I set the poll to ask for fee-for-time as the most constant baseline, exactly because the expenses on top of that can vary so widely depending on one's mode of hiring. There is a secondary element of compensation for time. Suppose you have a continuing relationship with an escort (not lovers) and you and the escort agree on a specific sum in addition to paying for transportation etc. Suppose you enjoyed the escort so much that you buy an extraordinary gift for the escort. I think this might happen in many cases. Some "gifts" can cost many thousands of dollars. Such a gift would distort your poll to include the gifts in the "time" but if it were not for the time spent with the escort, the extraordinary gift would not be given. What say you? lookin 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 10, 2015 Author Posted February 10, 2015 Well taken. Probably fair to include the price of high-value gifts in calculating "fee" for this poll. Sort of the same way a monetary tip could be included in "fee" totals? What do people think? Quote
Members mvan1 Posted February 10, 2015 Members Posted February 10, 2015 Well taken. Probably fair to include the price of high-value gifts in calculating "fee" for this poll. Sort of the same way a monetary tip could be included in "fee" totals? What do people think? I don't see how the expensive gift could not be part of the fee paid to an escort. Like you wrote, the gift is sort of a tip - but a large tip, indeed. - AdamSmith 1 Quote
Members boiworship Posted February 10, 2015 Members Posted February 10, 2015 Well taken. Probably fair to include the price of high-value gifts in calculating "fee" for this poll. Sort of the same way a monetary tip could be included in "fee" totals? What do people think? Yep, I gave one hot and reviewed twunk in LA a pair of Bruno Magli loafers. AdamSmith 1 Quote
Members lookin Posted February 10, 2015 Members Posted February 10, 2015 Suppose you enjoyed the escort so much that you buy an extraordinary gift for the escort. I think this might happen in many cases. Some "gifts" can cost many thousands of dollars. Such a gift would distort your poll to include the gifts in the "time" but if it were not for the time spent with the escort, the extraordinary gift would not be given. What say you? Well, perhaps you could go and start a High Rollers Poll and leave the rest of us to lick our wounds as best we can. AdamSmith and mvan1 2 Quote
Guest tomcal Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 let's just say if the actual number got out, my friends would be doing a intervention on me to cure my addiction! ...but I don't want the cure! Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 10, 2015 Members Posted February 10, 2015 Not a high roller, but, I know some. If you include the cost of operating a business aircraft then the total goes way up. But, I was only along for the ride, so to speak. Actually to keep the pointy side in front. The ride comes later. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith and lookin 2 Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 10, 2015 Author Posted February 10, 2015 Actually to keep the pointy side in front. A classic industry expression, no doubt. Never heard it put better! lookin 1 Quote
TotallyOz Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 I had a few bad years (number wise) which were good years (sex wise) as I had about 9 boys living with me one time in Thailand for many months (about 9) and I had them all on salary. It was fun 3 ways, 4 ways and a few 10 ways but after a bit, I realized that I had an addiction and could not do multiples any longer. So, now 3 is the max that I have at one time. Moderation is key. Quote
