2015 Porto Alegre and Rio

February 12, 2015

I have said over the years that the sauna guys really should get Oscar nominations for winning performances as they are so good at making you feel like you are really sexy, that they love having sex with you, they enjoy the time with you more then anyone else!

We are paying to have sex with young attractive guys that we would not otherwise have a chance to have sex with.

I think one reason I haven't really had any problems over the years with the guys here is I keep things in perspective, I don't fall in love, and I know that in spite of what they say they don't either! Yes friendships do form, but I am also realistic enough to know that if I came here and said "guess what I lost all my money in the stock market but at least we can still see each other and be friends...probably not gonna happen! :-) In spite of what some will say that "Brazilians really like older guys"...imho, that is BS, they don't like older guys anymore then any other nationality does! they like older guys money! which is fine, as long as both sides understand and don't confuse the time spent together having sex as affirmation of their deep love for you!

Today I got a message from the "surferguy" referenced in my previous post. I like this guy a lot. He seems like a really nice guy and I spent the last two nights with him(and the blonde guy) and told him when I came back in April, we would definitely meet up again! So today this is was his message translated from Portuguese to English said:

"My Heart is with you always here What little I know of you I like very much.

I hope you enjoyed I am always your friend

I think of the person I met when you came with me here to rio you have my heart a great love

I liked staying with you, enjoyed, kissing you. when you come back I will stay with you at the apartment the whole time you are here! I miss you!

Now the translation from saunaboy message to English:
I am glad you are coming back, I can't believe how much money you spend on other guys when you could spend it all on me when you are here! :-)

I have gotten similar messages from 4 others this past week, they slightly vary but the message is the same "I miss you($) I love kissing you($) I want to stay with you the whole time you are here!($$$)

I also got requests for several pairs of Nike's and a Diesel watch and a madanna dvd! lol I never bring presents because that really gets to be a vicious circle, I have one friend who started doing that and last trip he paid for a extra suitcase check luggage- 70lbs to satisfy all the "wants' of his "boyfriends in brazil" they are especially keen on Nike or adidas shoes as there is a high surcharge on those in Brazil and are much more expensive then in the U.S. I don't check luggage I only do carryon so it's hard to explain that really I don't have room for athletic shoes in my luggage! even one pair is too much! Plus I hate, absolutely hate shopping, I don't do it for myself unless absolutely necessary and I sure am not going to do it and then haul the crap to Brazil!

Plus none of them subtract the cost of the stuff you buy them from what you are paying for sex with them. They always say "bring me a iPhone or ipad and I will pay you for it when you get here! They know and You know that's not going to happen.

These guys are good at their jobs and really provide the boyfriend or lover or exciting sexual partner illusion when you are with them, and as soon as you leave they are providing the same illusion to the next customer! I have seen a number of Americans get hurt because it is so easy to get lost in the moment and really start to believe in what you are experiencing.

The pic below is the Surfer guy. and yes I will more then likely have him stay the week with me and we will both be very happy...for slightly different reasons! :-)

mvan1 · February 13, 2015

I have said over the years that the sauna guys really should get Oscar nominations for winning performances as they are so good at making you feel like you are really sexy, that they love having sex with you, they enjoy the time with you more then anyone else!

We are paying to have sex with young attractive guys that we would not otherwise have a chance to have sex with.

I think one reason I haven't really had any problems over the years with the guys here is I keep things in perspective, I don't fall in love, and I know that in spite of what they say they don't either! Yes friendships do form, but I am also realistic enough to know that if I came here and said "guess what I lost all my money in the stock market but at least we can still see each other and be friends...probably not gonna happen! :-) In spite of what some will say that "Brazilians really like older guys"...imho, that is BS, they don't like older guys anymore then any other nationality does! they like older guys money! which is fine, as long as both sides understand and don't confuse the time spent together having sex as affirmation of their deep love for you!

Today I got a message from the "surferguy" referenced in my previous post. I like this guy a lot. He seems like a really nice guy and I spent the last two nights with him(and the blonde guy) and told him when I came back in April, we would definitely meet up again! So today this is was his message translated from Portuguese to English said:

"My Heart is with you always here What little I know of you I like very much.

I hope you enjoyed I am always your friend

I think of the person I met when you came with me here to rio you have my heart a great love

I liked staying with you, enjoyed, kissing you. when you come back I will stay with you at the apartment the whole time you are here! I miss you!

Now the translation from saunaboy message to English:

I am glad you are coming back, I can't believe how much money you spend on other guys when you could spend it all on me when you are here! :-)

I have gotten similar messages from 4 others this past week, they slightly vary but the message is the same "I miss you($) I love kissing you($) I want to stay with you the whole time you are here!($$$)

I also got requests for several pairs of Nike's and a Diesel watch and a madanna dvd! lol I never bring presents because that really gets to be a vicious circle, I have one friend who started doing that and last trip he paid for a extra suitcase check luggage- 70lbs to satisfy all the "wants' of his "boyfriends in brazil" they are especially keen on Nike or adidas shoes as there is a high surcharge on those in Brazil and are much more expensive then in the U.S. I don't check luggage I only do carryon so it's hard to explain that really I don't have room for athletic shoes in my luggage! even one pair is too much! Plus I hate, absolutely hate shopping, I don't do it for myself unless absolutely necessary and I sure am not going to do it and then haul the crap to Brazil!

Plus none of them subtract the cost of the stuff you buy them from what you are paying for sex with them. They always say "bring me a iPhone or ipad and I will pay you for it when you get here! They know and You know that's not going to happen.

These guys are good at their jobs and really provide the boyfriend or lover or exciting sexual partner illusion when you are with them, and as soon as you leave they are providing the same illusion to the next customer! I have seen a number of Americans get hurt because it is so easy to get lost in the moment and really start to believe in what you are experiencing.

The pic below is the Surfer guy. and yes I will more then likely have him stay the week with me and we will both be very happy...for slightly different reasons! :-)

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Let me add my few cents about Brazil -

Tomcal, you got it right!

What an interesting and accurate, well-composed post. What deep introspection!

I agree about not honoring requests for “presents” or being a transporter of goods to Brazil. When I first started going to Brazil, I had countless garotos, hotel employees and English-speaking Brazilians making requests for me to bring back items for them. I was never reimbursed nor was an offer ever made to reimburse me. It was common for me to bring an extra suit case in order to satisfy the numerous requests. Those were the early days when I was naive.

Now, the fancy passed by and little remains of the attitude I had when I first traveled to Brazil. I, similar to Tomcal, take only a carry on bag which precludes me from bringing back for garotos and others, anything large. I continue to bring small items but I no longer get burdened with shoes, jackets, computers, kitchen appliances and so forth. Those days are over.

Again using the logic of Tomcal, I also keep my Brazilian activities in perspective. Although I am very fond of several garotos that I met over the years in Brazil, I am too realistic to believe the poppycock stories about their feelings of “love” for me. I know that they like me but I also know that if my money was not the center of why we met and continue to meet, they would not be in my life. Clearly, to like is not to love.

I took several of the garotos on vacation away from Brazil. Most had never been on an airplane much less out of Brazil. Among other things, I enjoyed their company but their company was more exciting after I saw the reactions of the garotos in other countries wherein they did not know the local language. They suddenly learned to relate how Americans feel when Americans first enter Brazil and do not know the language.

Over the years, I helped several garotos make a better life for themselves. One garoto was able to finish law school with my help paying his tuition and books. Today, he is working in a law firm and I feel good about that. Another garoto I helped set up in business and today, that garoto is married, with children, and is self reliant. There are others with whom I have not done as well as the previous two I mentioned but we remain friends and I often hear from them.

There is an inexplicable feeling one gets from helping another person who could not otherwise break out of a financial quagmire.

Of course, there were some garotos that I met over the years for whom I had no feelings. Those were “one time” encounters that lacked “chemistry” for creating a lasting friendship. I don’t regret meeting those garotos. They are not in my life and I occasionally see them at saunas or on the streets while I am in Brazil. But, they are only a distant memory.

Yes, as Tomcal wrote, “These guys are good at their jobs and really provide the boyfriend or lover or exciting sexual partner illusion when you are with them, and as soon as you leave they are providing the same illusion to the next customer!”

It is true that the garotos are good at their jobs. In fact, I would go so far to say that they are better than “good” they are superb at their job.

It is the special qualities of the garotos that motivate me to continue visiting Brazil so often and only occasionally visit other countries. Immediately after Carnaval is over, I will leave again for Brazil for another few weeks, making it my trip number 123.

Yikes!

February 13, 2015

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It is true that the garotos are good at their jobs. In fact, I would go so far to say that they are better than “good” they are superb at their job.

I totally agree! they actually have spoiled it for me as far as hiring in the U.S. goes! I don't hire here.....well unless you count the lapdances in ft. Lauderdale when I am there!

When I have guys come to the apartment in the afternoons when I am there, they NEVER look at the clock, almost always it is me trying to get them to leave since I want to get to the sauna by 5:00. Overnights are the same, usually they never leave before lunch.

I love Brazil!

MsGuy · February 13, 2015

...making it my trip number 123.
Yikes!

Yikes indeed! :hug:

I just want to say that both you and tomcal are stating the best approach I know to the business of hiring rent boys (not only garatos). Not so soft headed as to get burned by all the paid for displays of affection and not so bitter/cynical as to miss out on the genuine fun and satisfaction one can have when one allows friendly relationships to develope.

Think of it as much like any other business relationship. You're delusional if you think your lawyer or accountant is inclined to handle your business w/o getting paid his going rate. But then sometimes your butcher might cut your steak off the good end if if he likes you. :lol:

Human beings are complex critters. Making friends with someone you're making money off of is well within our inborn repertoire. For the life of me, I don't know why so many posters here insist otherwise.

mvan1 · February 13, 2015

Yikes indeed!

I just want to say that both you and tomcal are stating the best approach I know to the business of hiring rent boys (not only garotos). Not so soft headed as to get burned by all the paid for displays of affection and not so bitter/cynical as to miss out on the genuine fun and satisfaction one can have when one allows friendly relationships to develop.

What you wrote is true. At the same time, for reasons that I cannot put into mere words, there is a special quality about many Brazilian garotos that is not found in escorts in any other country I have visited; and I have visited many countries.

As Tomcal wrote, I also do not hire in the U.S. anymore. Quite simply, you cannot find anything comparable in the U.S. to what is readily available in Brazil.

Search high and low in the U.S. and you will not find it. It is not just the price differential paid in Brazil versus in other countries, including the U.S. It is the emotional and overall feeling you experience when involved with most garotos that keeps one coming back again and again and again.

Having an encounter with a Brazilian garoto versus a hire in the U.S. is like comparing caviar with a baloney sandwich.

The clock watcher escorts in the U.S. (and many other countries) have their useful place as do the easy-going Brazilian garotos have their place. My preference is for Brazil.

There is no place like home - take that another step, there is no place like Brazil.

MsGuy · February 13, 2015

I don't doubt your point, mvan1. I would speculate that cultural differences must be working themselves out in the background but I have no idea what. I also suspect that your (and tomcal's) expectations of those relationships mesh well with those of the garatos and that others might have a very different experience.

In any case, thank you both for your entertaining and instructive posts.

I only wish my health permitted me to take just one visit with you to Brazil and find out for myself if my personality meshed half so well with the boys. :lol: There's just no substitute for direct experience. :tongue:

mvan1 · February 13, 2015

I only wish my health permitted me to take just one visit with you to Brazil and find out for myself if my personality meshed half so well with the boys. There's just no substitute for direct experience. :tongue:

Unless you are totally disabled, you can visit Brazil. And, yes, your personality will mesh with the garotos.

Actually, many people think the idea of visiting a foreign country is difficult. It really is not.

The most difficult part of the trip is the long ride in the airplane. If you go business or better, time flies by as fast as the aircraft.

After you arrive in Brazil, you have just as many comforts at hotels as you have in the U.S. and other countries.

Following your check in at your hotel, getting to the saunas is simple. Some people use a taxi, some use a bus while most use the Metro (except in Porto Alegre).

Once inside a sauna, it does not require even knowing the language. It does require a little restraint because as soon as you enter, there is a good chance you will be propositioned immediately or shortly thereafter. You need to settle in and look around before you decide on a garoto.

I know it sounds hard to believe. However, it really is easy to visit Brazil unless, as I said, your health is really bad or you are totally disabled.

One example I can site, and I think that Tomcal might remember this person, back in 2003 there was a little restaurant that attracted countless garotos after hours. The place was called Corujinha's in Rio de Janeiro. There was a very large man named "Paco" who weighed at least four or five hundred pounds. His health was not good but he wanted to go to Rio to visit with the garotos. Yes, he had plenty of garotos.

Paco actually had assistants who lifted him from a car and then assisted him to a chair at the restaurant. At the restaurant, Paco "held court" and had more garotos at his disposable than he could handle.

The above is just one example of how a person can visit Brazil even though not in the best of health.

If it is at all humanly possible, I heartily recommend that you visit at least once.

Prior to visiting, you need to do your homework and find out exactly all details of your trip. The only thing you will not plan in advance is how many garotos you will have come to your hotel or how many your will visit it the saunas.

If you are serious about going, I can send you a lot of material that will help you have the best time possibile in Brazil.

Think about it.

February 13, 2015

I don't think I have posted the attached video before, but I think it examplfies the fun you can have if you get the right mix of guys! I have known all these guys for about 2 years and knew they were all comfortable doing everything in front of and with each other! you can see how not Shy they are! but also can see they are having fun. Usually after one of these marathon sessions we all go down together to the bar and have drinks and laugh and talk....again only in Brazil!! this was at Meo Mundo sauna

march2014.MOV

MsGuy · February 13, 2015

Many thanks, tomcal, I'm hoping some of those boys will laugh and joke and horseplay their way into my dreams tonight. :thumbsup:

And sincere thanks to you also, Mvan1, but my COPD is a bit too far gone for me to go traipsing off to the saunas. Or even traipsing anywhere much over a 100 yards at a time. My rent boy days are behind me now.

Which doesn't mean I don't have memories of days past to keep me warm, lol, not does it prevent me from very much enjoying y'all's adventures second hand here on BoyToy. :hug:

MsAnn · February 13, 2015

I don't think I have posted the attached video before, but I think it examplfies the fun you can have if you get the right mix of guys! I have known all these guys for about 2 years and knew they were all comfortable doing everything in front of and with each other! you can see how not Shy they are! but also can see they are having fun. Usually after one of these marathon sessions we all go down together to the bar and have drinks and laugh and talk....again only in Brazil!! this was at Meo Mundo sauna

Isn't there an award the Boytoy members can present to Tomcal for best story, best directing, and best casting?

TOMCAL

P.S. The video attachment was wonderful

ihpguy · February 13, 2015

Tom

loved seeing all four together at MM.

What fun!!!

February 13, 2015

Here is a video of the gogo boy/stripper show at Mezziniu sauna in Porto Alegre, held on Friday/Sat/Sun nights.. Usually 3 dancers on the stage and bar and at the end they individually take off their speedo and exit thru the bar.

mezzgogo.MOV

February 13, 2015

One example I can site, and I think that Tomcal might remember this person, back in 2003 there was a little restaurant that attracted countless garotos after hours. The place was called Corujinha's in Rio de Janeiro. There was a very large man named "Paco" who weighed at least four or five hundred pounds. His health was not good but he wanted to go to Rio to visit with the garotos. Yes, he had plenty of garotos.

Paco actually had assistants who lifted him from a car and then assisted him to a chair at the restaurant. At the restaurant, Paco "held court" and had more garotos at his disposable than he could handle

Mvan, I do remember him well. He usually had 4 bodyguards, I actually hooked up twice with one of them! but he had to do it w/o Paco finding out! :-), He always had the same entourage, besides the bodyguards, there was a drag queen or 2, a older women and then a couple of muscle guys usually. he was a wealthy Spanish guy who had a estate on the Canary Islands and would spend 6 months a year in Brazil. I still don't know how they got him up the stairs at Pointe202 to the entrance, that is at least 30 steps! and they had to carry him.

MsAnn · February 13, 2015

Here is a video of the gogo boy/stripper show at Mezziniu sauna in Porto Alegre, held on Friday/Sat/Sun nights.. Usually 3 dancers on the stage and bar and at the end they individually take off their speedo and exit thru the bar.

God Bless you Tomcal. Loved the video attachment. I think that Grandma and I will have to make a run down there one of these old days.

February 13, 2015

Ok, I think this post will probably kill this thread! and a warning....the pic you see may blind you, so you have been warned!

I have been on 3 stages over the years in Brazil. One photo of me I posted a few months ago where I was removing pudding off a strippers body with my tongue while he laid on a table on the stage, the object being I had to find a "token" hidden that gave you a free drink!... I was selected from the audience because I am not shy I guess! Another time I was brought on stage to witness up close and personal a sex show between my "soccer player" who was fucking one of the guys at Meo Mundo.

I am a believer that if you can't laugh at yourself you shouldn't make fun of anyone else...and I do so...This pic below was taken at Bar Mixx in Porto Alegre on the stage the strippers perform. I just want to add that I DID MAKE MONEY!! they paid me to get off the stage!! :lol:

February 13, 2015

Would you stop to give him a lift??

I couldn't get the cab to stop to help this poor guy out!! btw, this is not a unlikely scene in rio(guys in speedos) on sunny hot days they are walking all over copa and Ipanema in their speedos...always amazes me to be sitting at a restaurant several blocks from the beach on a busy blvd and their are guys constantly walking by in flipflops and speedos! that's all! I love it!

Such a beautiful physique...very nice

MsAnn · February 14, 2015

Ok, I think this post will probably kill this thread! and a warning....the pic you see may blind you, so you have been warned!

I have been on 3 stages over the years in Brazil. One photo of me I posted a few months ago where I was removing pudding off a strippers body with my tongue while he laid on a table on the stage, the object being I had to find a "token" hidden that gave you a free drink!... I was selected from the audience because I am not shy I guess! Another time I was brought on stage to witness up close and personal a sex show between my "soccer player" who was fucking one of the guys at Meo Mundo.

I am a believer that if you can't laugh at yourself you shouldn't make fun of anyone else...and I do so...This pic below was taken at Bar Mixx in Porto Alegre on the stage the strippers perform. I just want to add that I DID MAKE MONEY!! they paid me to get off the stage!!

"MsAnn would've ~~hit~~ tipped that."

ihpguy · February 14, 2015

Tom, I hope my abs look that good post-tummytuck plastic surgery!

TotallyOz · February 14, 2015

I have to say that rarely, (if ever), do I see someone put themselves so out there like Tom has in this thread. I have thoroughly enjoyed every post and comment and photo!

February 15, 2015

One more photo from Bar Mixx in Porto Alegre. This is typical of the type of guys that are there. I took this photo the first night there, but had met him on the previous trip there. very nice guy, also works occasionally at Mezziniu

February 15, 2015

Opps...one more guy I forgot to add from this last trip! He messaged me today and sent a pic so I thought I better include him, Mikey, met him about a year ago, quiet but really nice guy and really fun in the bedroom. it seems I run into him every other trip. He always wears a speedo under his towel at the sauna....which usually the rentboys at the sauna that do that, have small dicks, not the case here, he is big! but doesn't like to show it until you are in the bedroom.

February 15, 2015

Ok, tomcal, now you're just BRAGGING! lol :lol:

axiom2001 · February 15, 2015

Opps...one more guy I forgot to add from this last trip! He messaged me today and sent a pic so I thought I better include him, Mikey, met him about a year ago, quiet but really nice guy and really fun in the bedroom. it seems I run into him every other trip. He always wears a speedo under his towel at the sauna....which usually the rentboys at the sauna that do that, have small dicks, not the case here, he is big! but doesn't like to show it until you are in the bedroom.

He looks like he could give as well as take "roughly!" I love to spank hot bubble butts with my open palm then caress immediately afterwards! He looks the part! ^_^ ^_^

Thumper1 · February 16, 2015

Question Tomcal, I've always wondered, and I apologize if you've answered this: when you are with the "boys" do you tell them EXACTLY which photos are going to be on the web and which ones aren't, and does that question, "may I post photos of you online?", scare some out of the cubicle?

February 17, 2015

Question Tomcal, I've always wondered, and I apologize if you've answered this: when you are with the "boys" do you tell them EXACTLY which photos are going to be on the web and which ones aren't, and does that question, "may I post photos of you online?", scare some out of the cubicle?

Short answer is No and No! My first impression is you were trying to Troll with this question the way you phrased it...

but not sure why you put "EXACTLY" in caps? and asked if it "scares them out of the cubicle(btw, they are bedrooms not cubicles like the lap dance rooms at Johnny's) but will take your questions at face value and assume you really are curious,

I take many pics and don't know which ones I will post until I look and also the guys usually want to see which ones they look best in. I put up here less then 1% of the pics that I take, actually probably 1/10 of 1% Typically I take 10 or 12 in a session. btw several of the pics posted above came from commercial websites as their pics were better then mine, such as the ones of Diego above.

First, I have NEVER asked any guy to let me take a naked photo or video of them ! I will say to them, usually after the session "can I take a photo?" and invariably they will take the towel off and pose naked! This is just the way Brazilians are! I would say that this happens 95% of the time! If you look back at the video you will see when I say "I am taking a video", the guys get a big grin and start playing with their dicks. I can't tell them EXACTLY what pic is going to be posted because I don't know at the time. I would guess that the vast majority ask me to send them copies which I usually do when we get back down to the bar area, and in fact two of the guys are using photos I took for their fb page or their whatsapp profile pic..just cropped some! Don't assume that these guys are either naïve or dumb they are neither! two other sauna guys are using pics I took for their online escort service! Actually most of them are more tech savvy then a lot of us. The sauna guys are a lot smarter then a lot of professional athletes and actors who end up with naked photos on the net. They know and also want business. A sizable % of them have posed for magazines/sites like Latinjocks(where I would estimate 80% or better are sauna guys from Rio) and Bangbangboys with about the same % of sauna guys.

They are usually showing me different things I can do with apps on my IPhone,,

Also they know its good for business! Last trip, one of the Meo Mundo guys wanted me to show 4 other guys that were sitting with us, video I took the trip before last because he thought he looked very good in it!

and No not one has ever "run scared" out of the cubicle as you refer to it! I thought that was odd phrasing on your part. both the Cubicle, as they are bedrooms not like a lapdance cubicle at a strip club and why would they be scared?? If anything they always look and critique and often will say "take it over, I don't like that one" and then repose.

there are a few guys that don't want naked pics posted, a small minority, but as a example, both the "surferguy and the blonde guy above did not want naked pics posted although they had me take some, so I didn't post theirs on here. But the vast majority of sauna guys already have pics on commercial sites as mentioned or on local hookup sites such as netgay.com.br and don't care.

Hope this answers your legitimate questions.

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