Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I'd actually take a weekend for $3000, and I just mentioned my friend as an example, I know that's the exception. My point is that it's not worth it to me to put up an ad and make a few hundred a week, that's a lose-lose. And in fact I'm not misleading potential clients because I'm not a pro and haven't done this before and I'm more or less straight. I think posters here misunderstand, I'm not advertising myself on this site, I'm just asking for advice. Please see original post. It's not just that I'm skittish or feel awkward telling an older gay guy who hits on me that it's for money. It's also that I think that sends the wrong message, and gives the impression I'm a pro, makes it all "business," AND also would lead to a lower price for me. I'd like to know at what point to bring up that it's an exchange thing or if I should wait for client to do this; but I have a feeling that if I don't make it clear somehow he'd think it's for free. Some people have given me good advice, so thanks. Quote
Members Lucky Posted October 1, 2013 Members Posted October 1, 2013 I hate to deceive anyone, so hito, read my sentence very carefully. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted October 1, 2013 Members Posted October 1, 2013 parisrio2000, The scene you hypothesize certainly does happen, but rarely in the scheme of things. If this is your goal then you have to run with an elite crowd. The names Cavlin Klein and David Geffen would populate that stratosphere although I'm sure there are those with lower public profiles. If you have an in to that crowd then more power to you. Else, you will have to encounter the very unlikely happenstance that you cross paths with an extremely wealthy guy who has a very strong attraction to you. How you inject yourself into either of those situations seems to require that you have the resources to swim with the big fish or that lightening strikes. Assuming you fall short on resources it seems the logical course is to frequent saloons that the elite patronize or become a waiter or valet at one of the elite restaurants where they dine and hope for that lightening strike. Of course most of our members and viewers do not fall in that stratosphere. I cannot say there are none since all are anonymous here. However, I do have some second hand knowledge that a high powered personality or two did access the old HooBoy site many years ago. I do not know who they were but my source was knowlegable. Quote
Members RA1 Posted October 1, 2013 Members Posted October 1, 2013 I'd actually take a weekend for $3000, and I just mentioned my friend as an example, I know that's the exception. My point is that it's not worth it to me to put up an ad and make a few hundred a week, that's a lose-lose. And in fact I'm not misleading potential clients because I'm not a pro and haven't done this before and I'm more or less straight. I think posters here misunderstand, I'm not advertising myself on this site, I'm just asking for advice. Please see original post. It's not just that I'm skittish or feel awkward telling an older gay guy who hits on me that it's for money. It's also that I think that sends the wrong message, and gives the impression I'm a pro, makes it all "business," AND also would lead to a lower price for me. I'd like to know at what point to bring up that it's an exchange thing or if I should wait for client to do this; but I have a feeling that if I don't make it clear somehow he'd think it's for free. Some people have given me good advice, so thanks. If you take money you are a pro. Whether you act professionally is another question. Best regards, RA1 wayout 1 Quote
Guest zipperzone Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 and I'm more or less straight. Thank kind of says it all - stick with your own kind and stop trying to take advantage of older gay men. Quote
Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 and I'm more or less straight. Thank kind of says it all - stick with your own kind and stop trying to take advantage of older gay men. Right...because it's not as if gays have a fetish for straight guys .... Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Well I actually don't have a fetish for straight guys. I make sure that any guy I hire is gay before I hire him. And so far I've been correct and not fooled. But I'm very picky on who I hire. I won't even give tips to straight go go boys if I know they are straight. I know they are there only because they are taking advantage and it does nothing for me. Quote
Guest NCBored Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Well I actually don't have a fetish for straight guys. I make sure that any guy I hire is gay before I hire him. And so far I've been correct and not fooled. But I'm very picky on who I hire. I won't even give tips to straight go go boys if I know they are straight. I know they are there only because they are taking advantage and it does nothing for me. Don't you think the gay go-go boys are there for the money too? I'm not likely to hire an escort who self-identifies as straight because I doubt he could deliver the kind of experience I want, but if we're talking about watching guys dance, I think they should be rewarded for the quality of their performance. Or are you talking about tipping them for more than just dancing? Can you clarify? Quote
Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Seducing the straight guy is a staple of gay porn... Dunno why there's hostility to what I'm saying here. If you met a guy you liked, would you want him to announce he takes money within the first 5 minutes? First 10? Not mention it at all, and just let it be "understood" somehow? That's what my question is about. Quote
Guest NCBored Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Seducing the straight guy is a staple of gay porn... Dunno why there's hostility to what I'm saying here. If you met a guy you liked, would you want him to announce he takes money within the first 5 minutes? First 10? Not mention it at all, and just let it be "understood" somehow? That's what my question is about. While straight guys are a fantasy for many, there are also many gays who have no interest in straight men. If I fantasize about a hot apparently-straight guy, my fantasy is that he's gay! And just speaking for myself, if I hit if off with someone and THEN they announce that it's only going to go farther if I pay up.. I'd probably feel embarrassed and misled. But perhaps there are circles where that sort of thing is common and not unexpected. Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I'd rather help someone who is gay than someone who is straight. It's that simple. (answering the go go boys question) Quote
Guest justme1369 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Just my opinion ...I think parisrio is full of shit... Quote
Members Suckrates Posted October 2, 2013 Members Posted October 2, 2013 I have a friend in Los Angeles who was paid $20,000 for a weekend. He didn't put up any ads, and if he had, he wouldn't have gotten this price. Pros don't generally get this kind of thing. There is always a sucker out there that will pay an "asking price". Its their money and their business. To me, its like those rich bitch women that will pay $6000 for a pair of Loubatin heels. But if you are going to use that as a business model, you are pretty much doomed before you start. If you wanted to get a clients perspective on your potential success, you've gotten it here. IMO you should be discussing this with escorts.... there are certainly all degrees of "Gay 4 Pay" boys out there and you would just be one more meatball in the stewpot.... wayout 1 Quote
Members wayout Posted October 2, 2013 Members Posted October 2, 2013 I agree with Suckrates that you should be talking to escorts, as well as your friend who has done something similar to this, to get a general idea of what works and doesn't work best. As a client, if I was interested in a guy who I thought I could make an offer to, unless he was extremely hot, I would still be using the going rates for hiring escorts as a basis for making any potential offer (maybe willing to pay a bit of premium but not too much). Wouldn't make much difference if he told me up front he could be hired or waited for me to make some offer. I would figure that I could get someone for that price if turned down anyway (assumes the hormones haven't kicked in totally and I can still think with my big head). And if you are going after significantly above average amounts for your time, then I agree with others that you will need to find a way into a specific circle of people willing and able to pay that. If you expect to get a top offer, then I would imagine you would have to invest quite a bit of time and effort to play the game with potential clients, specifically playing hard to get so they can move from possibly expecting it for free to the point of making offers. Would be another case where you would have to be pretty hot and play it just right so you keep the right balance of aloofness with possible attainability combined with being flirtatious. I suspect you would have to put up with quite a few dead ends before a decent payoff happens. Now I was a bit reluctant to mention anything related to playing a client but we are all big boys here and certainly understand that it happens all the time. But understand, there are escorts (those that are true professionals in my view) who are genuinely interested in their clients and don't necessarily play games to max out their take home pay. From your posts, I believe your focus is mostly on a specific approach to protect your privacy and maximize your income opportunity on a per client basis. Based on that premise, I would recommend that you talk to escorts, your friend and then go out and try different ways for a period of time to see what seems to work best and refine your method. If you are willing to invest some time, I imagine eventually you will find a way that works best for you. The question then becomes will the payoff be enough for the time invested vs going after standard rates and more encounters. And as a side note, some guys may get turned on by the seduction of a straight boy, but don't expect that across the board. I would definitely walk away knowing the guy is straight. Quote
Members JKane Posted October 2, 2013 Members Posted October 2, 2013 Just my opinion ...I think parisrio is full of shit... This is why we can't have nice things. The fawning over escorts and the silencing of legitimate criticisms about Daddy's pets at the other site go way to far, but I hate that we seem to strive to go the other way here. Every escort who tries to participate, it's my impression anyway, gets run off by bitchy queens. Yes, a lot of us don't agree with what ParisRio is asking about, but can't we be civil? Help to shape the way he goes about things more to our liking instead of the "you're not exactly perfect for my tastes so fuck you" way of "conversing"... docbr, wayout and RA1 3 Quote
Guest zipperzone Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Just my opinion ...I think parisrio is full of shit... I couldn't agree more. He's just stroking his ego. Quote
Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I couldn't agree more. He's just stroking his ego. In what way am I stroking my ego? I could be anyone. Do you think I get such an ego rise out of saying on an anonymous forum that older guys hit on me? Quote
Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 I agree with Suckrates that you should be talking to escorts, as well as your friend who has done something similar to this, to get a general idea of what works and doesn't work best. As a client, if I was interested in a guy who I thought I could make an offer to, unless he was extremely hot, I would still be using the going rates for hiring escorts as a basis for making any potential offer (maybe willing to pay a bit of premium but not too much). Wouldn't make much difference if he told me up front he could be hired or waited for me to make some offer. I would figure that I could get someone for that price if turned down anyway (assumes the hormones haven't kicked in totally and I can still think with my big head). And if you are going after significantly above average amounts for your time, then I agree with others that you will need to find a way into a specific circle of people willing and able to pay that. If you expect to get a top offer, then I would imagine you would have to invest quite a bit of time and effort to play the game with potential clients, specifically playing hard to get so they can move from possibly expecting it for free to the point of making offers. Would be another case where you would have to be pretty hot and play it just right so you keep the right balance of aloofness with possible attainability combined with being flirtatious. I suspect you would have to put up with quite a few dead ends before a decent payoff happens. Now I was a bit reluctant to mention anything related to playing a client but we are all big boys here and certainly understand that it happens all the time. But understand, there are escorts (those that are true professionals in my view) who are genuinely interested in their clients and don't necessarily play games to max out their take home pay. From your posts, I believe your focus is mostly on a specific approach to protect your privacy and maximize your income opportunity on a per client basis. Based on that premise, I would recommend that you talk to escorts, your friend and then go out and try different ways for a period of time to see what seems to work best and refine your method. If you are willing to invest some time, I imagine eventually you will find a way that works best for you. The question then becomes will the payoff be enough for the time invested vs going after standard rates and more encounters. And as a side note, some guys may get turned on by the seduction of a straight boy, but don't expect that across the board. I would definitely walk away knowing the guy is straight. Thanks for advice. I'm not trying to play clients, though I figured that people here wouldn't be willing to give advice because of this impression. Quote
Guest zipperzone Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 In what way am I stroking my ego? I could be anyone. Do you think I get such an ego rise out of saying on an anonymous forum that older guys hit on me? You got that one right....... spot on! Quote
Members Lucky Posted October 4, 2013 Members Posted October 4, 2013 Although I often find myself in disagreement with parisrio2000, you have to give him credit as he seems to have a knack for getting a thread a long shelf life! Quote
Guest parisrio2000 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Of the clients here, how many want a "boyfriend" experience, with kisses, caresses, affection, and warmth? And how many would be satisfied with a guy who fucked you like a stallion and dominated you, but certainly didn't do the affection stuff? Maybe I start a new thread on that, that's an interesting subject. Quote
Members wayout Posted October 12, 2013 Members Posted October 12, 2013 Of the clients here, how many want a "boyfriend" experience, with kisses, caresses, affection, and warmth? And how many would be satisfied with a guy who fucked you like a stallion and dominated you, but certainly didn't do the affection stuff? Maybe I start a new thread on that, that's an interesting subject. Variety is the spice of life. Sometimes I prefer the "boyfriend" experience and other times I like the "wham, bam, thank you mam" experience, all depends on my mood and situation (longer appointments for "boyfriend" for example). Overall, my past experiences have been more towards the "boyfriend" experience but lately it has trended for the other kind. Quote
Guest PasadenaCA Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Of the clients here, how many want a "boyfriend" experience, with kisses, caresses, affection, and warmth? And how many would be satisfied with a guy who fucked you like a stallion and dominated you, but certainly didn't do the affection stuff? Maybe I start a new thread on that, that's an interesting subject. Well, I do both. As far as I'm concerned, the "boyfriend experience" is the means to an end. <g> Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 I always prefer the boyfriend experience unless all I want to do is ram him a few times. Quote
AdamSmith Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 I am with Pasadena on this. One might also note, a bit cynically but from firsthand experience, the rare but extant scam of the escort who puts great emphasis on & energy into the bf experience as a tactic for avoiding or at least minimizing the actual down-in-the-weeds sexual time. Sounds odd, but I have encountered two who practiced that way. Quote
