Members msclelovr Posted August 19, 2013 Members Posted August 19, 2013 Interesting to read how the Brazilian partner of the Guardian journalist, who exposed the mass surveillance programmes of the US government and interviewed Edward Snowden, was detained as he passed through London's Heathrow Airport. The UK government has, of course, been an eager collaborator for decades in this mass surveillance. Perhaps the story also serves as a timely reminder to us all that our electronic devices and storage media may be seized at the border for the authorities to inspect for an extended period. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10251337/Partner-of-Glenn-Greenwald-held-under-Terrorism-Act.html Quote
Members ihpguy Posted August 19, 2013 Members Posted August 19, 2013 Speedy Gonzalez akaAdamSmith beat ya'to it by about seven hours. Come on now, get posting a bit faster, kiddo! Yours, IHOP akaFavelaDweller Quote
Members msclelovr Posted August 19, 2013 Author Members Posted August 19, 2013 I regret I don't look at the Politics forum. The seizure of all the Brazilian's electronic devices surprised me, and what I wanted to point out to others here. This story was the leading item on BBC News today, with politicians expressing concern at the detention of the Brazilian under anti-terrorism legislation. One has asserted that no questions about terrorism were asked of the Brazilian. The UK has a system where a senior, independent lawyer reviews the workings of this legislation. On TV, he said that he found the application of this legislation to detain the Brazilian highly concerning and he would investigate it fully. lookin 1 Quote
AdamSmith Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Greenwald is not amused. Glenn Greenwald: detaining my partner was a failed attempt at intimidationThe detention of my partner, David Miranda, by UK authorities will have the opposite effect of the one intended Glenn Greenwald The Guardian, Sunday 18 August 2013 At 6:30 am this morning my time - 5:30 am on the East Coast of the US - I received a telephone call from someone who identified himself as a "security official at Heathrow airport." He told me that my partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000." David had spent the last week in Berlin, where he stayed with Laura Poitras, the US filmmaker who has worked with me extensively on the NSA stories. A Brazilian citizen, he was returning to our home in Rio de Janeiro this morning on British Airways, flying first to London and then on to Rio. When he arrived in London this morning, he was detained. At the time the "security official" called me, David had been detained for 3 hours. The security official told me that they had the right to detain him for up to 9 hours in order to question him, at which point they could either arrest and charge him or ask a court to extend the question time. The official - who refused to give his name but would only identify himself by his number: 203654 - said David was not allowed to have a lawyer present, nor would they allow me to talk to him. I immediately contacted the Guardian, which sent lawyers to the airport, as well various Brazilian officials I know. Within the hour, several senior Brazilian officials were engaged and expressing indignation over what was being done. The Guardian has the full story here. Despite all that, five more hours went by and neither the Guardian's lawyers nor Brazilian officials, including the Ambassador to the UK in London, were able to obtain any information about David. We spent most of that time contemplating the charges he would likely face once the 9-hour period elapsed. According to a document published by the UK government about Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, "fewer than 3 people in every 10,000 are examined as they pass through UK borders" (David was not entering the UK but only transiting through to Rio). Moreover, "most examinations, over 97%, last under an hour." An appendix to that document states that only .06% of all people detained are kept for more than 6 hours. The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism." But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name. Worse, they kept David detained right up until the last minute: for the full 9 hours, something they very rarely do. Only at the last minute did they finally release him. We spent all day - as every hour passed - worried that he would be arrested and charged under a terrorism statute. This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ. Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consoles, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would. This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they felt threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples. If the UK and US governments believe that tactics like this are going to deter or intimidate us in any way from continuing to report aggressively on what these documents reveal, they are beyond deluded. If anything, it will have only the opposite effect: to embolden us even further. Beyond that, every time the US and UK governments show their true character to the world - when they prevent the Bolivian President's plane from flying safely home, when they threaten journalists with prosecution, when they engage in behavior like what they did today - all they do is helpfully underscore why it's so dangerous to allow them to exercise vast, unchecked spying power in the dark. David was unable to call me because his phone and laptop are now with UK authorities. So I don't yet know what they told him. But the Guardian's lawyer was able to speak with him immediately upon his release, and told me that, while a bit distressed from the ordeal, he was in very good spirits and quite defiant, and he asked the lawyer to convey that defiance to me. I already share it, as I'm certain US and UK authorities will soon see. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa lookin 1 Quote
Members Lucky Posted August 19, 2013 Members Posted August 19, 2013 I wish that he delineation of the forms was more strict,. Those who commented on this in the proper forum are now left out because the OP could not be bothered to post in the correct forum. Even management does this. Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted August 19, 2013 Posted August 19, 2013 Poor Greenwald.. I thought this kind of a thing only happens in a movie or a novel.. He could be a messenger between the film maker and Greenwald but still if they wanted to investigate then they have to do it according to the law.. Let's wait the announcement from the British government.. Someone has to be held accountable for this.. Quote
Members msclelovr Posted August 20, 2013 Author Members Posted August 20, 2013 Sorry to have annoyed you, Lucky. It was not the case that I "could not be bothered". Rather I was simply unaware of the Politics forum, and I had never looked at it until after posting, ihpguy alerted me to its existence. I feel it was worthwhile making my point in this more widely read forum - the seizure of electronic devices - as I had thought this was only a threat at US borders. Though I am fairly knowledgeable about UK laws, I did not know of the risk of seizure at the UK's borders. To answer hitoallusa, UK law requires a person detained at the airport to disclose all passwords and security codes. Failure to co-operate is a criminal offence. All material may be downloaded by the authorities, but the hardware must be returned within 7 days of seizure. This should be a concern to all travellers, and is not simply a political matter. Quote
Guest NCBored Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 I wish that he delineation of the forms was more strict,. Those who commented on this in the proper forum are now left out because the OP could not be bothered to post in the correct forum. Even management does this. I'm not sure it's always easy to differentiate between 'politics' and 'current events' (the latter being appropriate for the 'general chat' forum.) I appreciate the posting here because I seldom look at the Politics forum, since I (rightly or wrongly) associate it with debate. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted August 21, 2013 Members Posted August 21, 2013 It is clear to me that no one in power learned anything from the embarrassment of the Evo Morales airplane fiasco. One would think we are back in WWII with the international intrigue and heavy-handedness. It is very informative learning that the UK is as heavy-handed as the US, whether by their own initiative or by request; and the laws detailing UK seizure of electronic devices at international transportation terminals. wayout 1 Quote