AdamSmith Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Saw this recommended via FB by a lawyer acquaintance I respect. 5 Reasons You Should Never Agree to a Police Search (Even if You Have Nothing to Hide) Scott MorganAssociate Director, FlexYourRights.org Posted: 02/21/2012 10:52 pm Do you know what your rights are when a police officer asks to search you? If you're like most people I've met in my eight years working to educate the public on this topic, then you probably don't. It's a subject that a lot of people think they understand, but too often our perception of police power is distorted by fictional TV dramas, sensational media stories, silly urban myths, and the unfortunate fact that police themselves are legally allowed to lie to us. It wouldn't even be such a big deal, I suppose, if our laws all made sense and our public servants always treated us as citizens first and suspects second. But thanks to the War on Drugs, nothing is ever that easy. When something as stupid as stopping people from possessing marijuana came to be considered a critical law enforcement function, innocence ceased to protect people against police harassment. From the streets of the Bronx to the suburbs of the Nation's Capital, you never have to look hard to find victims of the bias, incompetence, and corruption that the drug war delivers on a daily basis. Whether or not you ever break the law, you should be prepared to protect yourself and your property just in case police become suspicious of you. Let's take a look at one of the most commonly misunderstood legal situations a citizen can encounter: a police officer asking to search your belongings. Most people automatically give consent when police ask to perform a search. However, I recommend saying "no" to police searches, and here are some reasons why: 1. It's your constitutional right. The 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures. Unless police have strong evidence (probable cause) to believe you're involved in criminal activity, they need your permission to perform a search of you or your property. You have the right to refuse random police searches anywhere and anytime, so long as you aren't crossing a border checkpoint or entering a secure facility like an airport. Don't be shy about standing up for your own privacy rights, especially when police are looking for evidence that could put you behind bars. 2. Refusing a search protects you if you end up in court. It's always possible that police might search you anyway when you refuse to give consent, but that's no reason to say "yes" to the search. Basically, if there's any chance of evidence being found, agreeing to a search is like committing legal suicide, because it kills your case before you even get to court. If you refuse a search, however, the officer will have to prove in court that there was probable cause to do a warrantless search. This will give your lawyer a good chance to win your case, but this only works if you said "no" to the search. 3. Saying "no" can prevent a search altogether. Data on police searches are interesting, but they don't show how many searches didn't happen because a citizen said no. A non-search is a non-event that goes unrecorded, giving rise to a widespread misconception that police will always search with or without permission. I know refusing searches works because I've been collecting stories from real police encounters. The reality is that police routinely ask for permission to search when they have absolutely no evidence of an actual crime. If you remain calm and say no, there's a good chance they'll back down, because it's a waste of time to do searches that won't hold up in court anyway. 4. Searches can waste your time and damage your property. Do you have time to sit around while police rifle through your belongings? Police often spend 30 minutes or more on vehicle searches and even longer searching homes. You certainly can't count on officers to be careful with valuables or to put everything back where they found it. If you waive your 4th Amendment rights by agreeing to be searched, you will have few legal options if any property is damaged or missing after the search. 5. You never know what they'll find. Are you 100 percent certain there's nothing illegal in your home or vehicle? You can never be too sure. A joint roach could stick to your shoe on the street and wind up on the floorboard. A careless acquaintance could have dropped a baggie behind the seat. Try telling a cop it isn't yours, and they'll just laugh and tell you to put your hands behind your back. If you agreed to the search, you can't challenge the evidence. But if you're innocent and you refused the search, your lawyer has a winnable case. Remember that knowing your rights will help you protect yourself, but no amount of preparation can guarantee a good outcome in a bad situation. Your attitude and your choices before, during, and after the encounter will usually matter more than your knowledge of the law. Stay calm no matter what happens, and remember that you can always report misconduct after things settle down. Finally, please don't be shy about sharing this information with your friends and family. Understanding and asserting your rights isn't about getting away with anything, and it isn't about disrespecting police either. These rights are the foundation of freedom in America, and they get weaker whenever we fail to exercise them. Scott Morgan is Associate Director of FlexYourRights.org and co-creator of the film 10 Rules for Dealing with Police. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-morgan/5-reasons-you-should-neve_b_1292554.html ihpguy, JKane and wayout 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Suckrates Posted July 21, 2013 Members Share Posted July 21, 2013 I thought it was so that you DONT get Nominated to be a contestant in "The Smallest Penis Contest" ? (see what I did here ! ) AdamSmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted July 21, 2013 Members Share Posted July 21, 2013 This is becoming an issue for general aviation also. In the last few months there have been several instances of heavily armed folks with various credentials surrounding an aircraft that has just landed. First they ask if they can search. Then they bring out the dogs who apparently have been trained to give false positive signals to their handlers which becomes probable cause. They may or may not do damage to your aircraft and certainly will delay you un-necessarily. They also have refused to say under what authority they are conducting these searches. This is not only at the time but after formal requests to explain from various general aviation national spokes organizations. The requests are ongoing and will not cease without a reasonable explanation or the cessation of such. Only the FAA and properly identified law enforcement officers have the right to ask to see a pilot's license and picture ID. They do not have the right to search your aircraft, except with probable cause or a warrant. Neither has been offered so far. Best regards, RA1 JKane and ihpguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wayout Posted July 21, 2013 Members Share Posted July 21, 2013 .... they ask if they can search. Then they bring out the dogs who apparently have been trained to give false positive signals to their handlers .... That is a very unsettling thing to hear...that there are specific efforts to bi-pass probable cause by creating false positive. If true, this gives one pause and really supports the statement by Jimmy Carter (alluded to in another thread about his support of Snowden) that "America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time", in the sense that our rights are not being respected. lookin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest josephga Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I would never agree to this or any type of interrogation either . they can't make you talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NCBored Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 ... dogs who apparently have been trained to give false positive signals to their handlers Respectfully - how do you know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 I have read several press accounts about this training of police dogs to give false positives as a cocked-up probable cause basis. Can't recall them at the moment but when I read them, the accounts and sources struck me as credible. If I find any of them I will post them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted July 22, 2013 Members Share Posted July 22, 2013 wayout and NCBored- I am recounting what has been reported to and by AOPA, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. This is a well known and solid association with 400,000+ members. I see little reason for members scattered around the country to dream up these kinds of stories. AOPA has published a guide for its' members to follow when so accosted. Basically, refuse the search, ask for their ID's, but don't argue with folks who are holding automatic weapons pointed at you. If they bring out the dogs, just live through it. So far no one has been charged and nothing illegal has been found and whoever these folks are refuse to explain themselves. Sometimes the local police are part of the group, sometimes sheriff's deputies, but the others are unknown but heavily armed. We have already given up a lot of freedoms and it is only getting worse. Best regards, RA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted July 22, 2013 Members Share Posted July 22, 2013 Addendum- Some of the federal agents doing the stopping are Customs and Border Patrol agents but all of these stops are far from any borders or entry points. Best regards, RA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hoover42 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I would never agree to this or any type of interrogation either . they can't make you talk. This! Anything you say not only can, but WILL, be used against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hitoallusa Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It depends if they are cute then they are welcome to search me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 It depends if they are cute then they are welcome to search me.. Would that extend to a body cavity search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihpguy Posted July 22, 2013 Members Share Posted July 22, 2013 I love it when I get cupped by a cute TSA agent. My only problem is that I am desperate to reciprocate. But that is a bit off-topic and maybe for a different forum? AdamSmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hitoallusa Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I once saw a very handsome guy being overly searched by an equally cute TSA officer. Unfortunately, the cute TSA officer didn't even bother to search me like that cute guy.. He didn't even make an eye contact.. sigh.. I wonder the cute guy got more attention because of his looks.. I love it when I get cupped by a cute TSA agent. My only problem is that I am desperate to reciprocate. But that is a bit off-topic and maybe for a different forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihpguy Posted July 22, 2013 Members Share Posted July 22, 2013 Maybe he was presenting to the TSA officer a more inviting and dangerous package in need of further investigation. Don't you find it quite invigorating to play with a nice full scrotum? AdamSmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 Does 'Full Scrotum' sound like an aircraft power setting or wing-flap position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted July 22, 2013 Members Share Posted July 22, 2013 Full scrotum sounds like what happens right after a scrum in rugby. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
