More Vatican Gay Relevations

[TotallyOz]

Last week new allegation surfaced. It is always funny to hear about issues the church has because it is my firm believe that repression of sexuality leads to deviant behavior. IMHO, the church should allow the Priests to have relationships and fuck. It would be much better for everyone involved if they were able to fuck and suck in a normal way as opposed to going after young kids. But, that is just my opinion.

. . .a convicted paedophile priest, Patrizio Poggi, named nine fellow prelates in Rome as part of a secret band who used a police officer to supply them with eastern European rent boys.

By Friday Poggi was under arrest, accused of defamation, as investigators claimed he had invented the whole story to take revenge on fellow priests who stood by when he was found guilty of abusing children.

On Thursday the anti-paedophile campaigner Francesco Zanardi posted a taped conversation on his website in which an informant told him about alleged secret sex parties inside the Vatican involving 14-year-old male prostitutes and cardinals, as well as rented apartments in Rome where prelates kept a supply of young men.

The man, who claimed to be involved in organising the parties, said he wanted to expose the Holy See's own "bunga bunga" scene, offering to supply photos and videos taken by the prostitutes and telling Zanardi:: "I can give you a hand."

"He named two cardinals and the details he supplied stood up," Zanardi said. He bleeped out the names on the online recording, but has supplied all details to prosecutors, who have opened an investigation.

"In another call, the man put me in touch with one of the boys, who had just turned 18 I talked to him and believed his story. He was known as 'the blond' and was one cardinal's favourite, but when I urged him to go to the police, he just said: 'It's my living.'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/pope-gay-lobby-vatican-gossip

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/reports-pope-gay-prelate-network

[Guest hitoallusa]

Some people are asexual so they can live celibate. The problem is that the Catholic Church is forcing priests to be celibate regardless of their predisposition. I hope they can change.

[TotallyOz]

Some people are asexual so they can live celibate. The problem is that the Catholic Church is forcing priests to be celibate regardless of their predisposition. I hope they can change.

I agree with your 2nd statement. But, do you believe that people are asexual? Do you think that consists of a large group?

[Guest hitoallusa]

A study in 2004 placed the prevalence of asexuality at 1% (Bogaet, 2004)

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/10/14/asexual.study/index.html

In 2010, there were 412,236 priests. Let's assume that the human population in 2010 was 6 billion. One percent of 6 billion is 60 million. Let's roughly say a half of 60 million is woman so that leaves 30 million, Then let's roughly say the number of males above 20 is 50% of 30 million. That leaves 15 million.

The worldwide Catholic population reached 1.196 billion in 2010. Let's say a half of 1.196 billion, 598 million, is male. One percent of 598 million is 5.98 million. So it is possible some priests are asexual and celibate. Now I'm not saying all priests are like that but it is possible most priests are celibate.

[AdamSmith]

Pope's 'gay lobby' remarks stir up new storm of Vatican gossip

Pontiff's comments spark flurry of speculation about alleged 'bunga bunga' scene in the Holy See

• Tom Kington in Rome
• The Observer, Sunday 30 June 2013 10.00 EDT

Pope Francis's private comments to a group of visiting South American churchmen caused a sensation when they appeared on a religious website. Photograph: Alberto Pizzoli/AFP/Getty Images

A tide of lurid speculation, questionable accusations and possible blackmail attempts is buffeting the Vatican following Pope Francis's claim that he is preparing to tackle a gay lobby secretly at work behind the Holy See's walls.

The new pope's private comments to a group of visiting South American churchmen, which caused a sensation when they appeared on a religious website last week, prompted blushes in the Vatican and unleashed feverish gossip in Rome regarding the contents of a report on Vatican infighting prepared last year for Francis's predecessor, Joseph Ratzinger.

On his retirement in February, Ratzinger handed his Argentine successor the dossier, which reportedly describes a lobby of gay, senior churchmen inside the Vatican, running a network of patronage while fighting off blackmailers.

The pope's unguarded remarks, which appeared to confirm the speculation, have fuelled a new round of accusations, beginning with a convicted paedophile priest, Father Patrizio Poggi, who last week named nine fellow prelates in Rome as part of a secret band who used a police officer to supply them with eastern European rent boys.

By Friday Poggi was under arrest, accused of defamation, as investigators claimed he had invented the whole story to take revenge on fellow priests who stood by when he was found guilty of abusing children.

On Thursday the anti-paedophile campaigner Francesco Zanardi posted a taped conversation on his website in which an informant told him about alleged secret sex parties inside the Vatican involving 14-year-old male prostitutes and cardinals, as well as rented apartments in Rome where prelates kept a supply of young men.

The man, who claimed to be involved in organising the parties, said he wanted to expose the Holy See's own "bunga bunga" scene, offering to supply photos and videos taken by the prostitutes and telling Zanardi:: "I can give you a hand."

"He named two cardinals … and the details he supplied stood up," Zanardi said. He bleeped out the names on the online recording, but has supplied all details to prosecutors, who have opened an investigation.

"In another call, the man put me in touch with one of the boys, who had just turned 18 … I talked to him and believed his story. He was known as 'the blond' and was one cardinal's favourite, but when I urged him to go to the police, he just said: 'It's my living.'"

Zanardi, 43, is on a mission to expose abuse and hypocrisy in the church after he was sexually abused in Liguria between the ages of 11 and 16 by a priest, Nello Giraudo, who had already been moved from one parish because of abuse allegations. The priest was later given an 18-month jail sentence.

An Italian journalist, Carmelo Abbate, who was also contacted by the anonymous informant, said he had yet to be convinced his stories stood up.

"He seemed like a man who wanted to take revenge … but he didn't come up with the proof," said Abbate, whose 2011 book Sex and the Vatican lifted the lid on the gay clubs and saunas frequented by Rome-based priests, including one who has held mass inside the Vatican.

Abbate has since published an exposé of priestly paedophilia in Italy. "During my research into abuse I came across many blackmailers, and decided they were almost as bad as the abusers, since they are trying to make money out of victims," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/pope-gay-lobby-vatican-gossip

[AdamSmith]

it is possible most priests are celibate.

You realize that you missed your true calling in life.

[Guest hitoallusa]

I don't want to be priests. There are many other ways to do good things in life. You don't have to be a priest to do good things.

You realize that you missed your true calling in life.

[AdamSmith]

I did not mean the doing-good bit, but rather of course the celibacy thing.

With the occasional time-out for rent boys.