TotallyOz Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 Last night, I saw a guy I have offed a few times from a bar. I enjoy his company and spoke to him. He said he had a free day that day and was not working. I took him to a few bars with me and the boyfriend. We had a good time. When I asked if he wanted to go to his bar for a few drinks or open a whiskey, he said no that he would get in trouble. I tried to find out why and he said said that the mamasan would get angry with him. I am not sure if that is because he actually just skipped work or if he was with a Farang that didn't pay an off or there was some other issue. I found the whole thing a bit odd as I would have happily paid his off if he were working but I didn't see him until after 2 hours after he was suppose to work. I also didn't mind if he had already been offed and seen another customer. I just didn't understand why he would get in trouble. Any other reasons than the ones I thought of? Am I missing something big here? Quote
Guest buaseng Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 I tried to find out why and he said said that the mamasan would get angry with him. I understand so-called 'black' offs are frowned upon by a lot of the bars. A past b/s of mine was sacked from his bar when I met him on a 'free day' even though we did not go near his bar. One of the other boys from the bar had seen us eating in a restaurant and reported him to the mamasan. When I asked him why he had been sacked even though he was on a 'free day' (authorised day off), he said that quite a few of the bars (and particularly the mamasans) consider that this sort of situation is taking money they might otherwise have made in bar fines and drinks/tips. I went to the bar and offered to pay a bar fine for him to be reinstated but the bar refused ('to discourage others'). Needless to say I never returned to the bar (which fortunately has since closed). I know that this all seems to be a bit petty and stupid but TIT. Quote
dapitt Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 So, in other words... some bars don't allow the boys to have a 'life of their own', even on days off. Quote
Gaybutton Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 So, in other words... some bars don't allow the boys to have a 'life of their own', even on days off. That's because it's all about money. I am not a fan of mama-sans, that's for sure, and to tell the truth I don't see why bars employ them at all. I can understand a manager, someone in a supervisory position, but this mama-san business can be quite corrupt. Some mama-sans are the nicest people you would ever want to meet and really do try their best to take good care of their boys. Others are in control and the bar owners let them get away with it. It is often the mama-sans who make the actual determination as to how much each boy is paid each month or which boys are 'pushed' on 'farang.' The reason some boys don't get a 'life of their own' is because any time they are with a 'farang,' the assumption is the boy is being paid and the mama-san is supposed to get his/her cut. So, even on a 'free day,' a boy can get in trouble with his mama-san if he's working in the wrong bar. The boy is with a 'farang,' and the mama-san isn't getting a cut, even if no money exchanges hands. That's why some of these boys get into trouble. The mama-san will fire the boy and deprive him of his monthly salary. There's nothing the boy can do about it. Three guesses who ends up pocketing the salary the boy was entitled to. In other words, even though all you might be doing is taking the boy out to dinner on his 'free day,' he can still end up in trouble if he didn't first go to the mama-san, get permission to go, and pay the mama-san his/her cut. Welcome to Thailand . . . . Quote
Guest Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I was told that he was docked salary because he was seen in bars with me. I was saddened by this as I really did think a free day is a free day. But, as often is the case here, I was wrong. I learn little by little. The only thing I know for sure in Thailand is that the boyfriend loves me to spoil him and every doorman that I walk by will ask for food or beer. If either of the two things don't happen on a given day, I know something is up. Other than that, I am have more to learn. Quote
Gaybutton Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 I was told that he was docked salary because he was seen in bars with me. I wonder who ratted on him. I believe he really was docked and that it isn't just a ploy to try to get "sympathy money" from you. I've heard stories like this far more than just once. Quote
