Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Members Posted February 24, 2013 I may be sorry to bring this up again but I happened to listen to an interview last night of a passenger on this cruise. She said she wondered what ship those passengers were on that were complaining about food, etc. She said there was always plenty of food, the crew did their duty and explained how to "take care" of sanitary situations. Of course, it was inconvenient but she thought such folks were just trying to get a bigger settlement. Imagine that, US citizens going over the top in order to get something for nothing. Tsk, tsk. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Well I don't think it's that simple... Those not happy has right to file a lawsuit. I don't think anything is wrong with people trying to get compensated for their time loss and inconvenience. They can surely argue their case at court. I know what you mean people try to get free stuff though. But in the end it's not free since when people keep abusing the system to get free things not justified then it results a serious problem: lack of money, products and resources. Thus, they have to pay it later in some form or another. That's partly what the US is facing right now, in terms of entitlement. You have to pay in the end and nothing is free. The fare will go up, the insurance premium for cruises will rise and other related expenses will be put right back on cruise patrons. One dimensional thinking of these law suit lovers doesn't count the fact that they have to pay in the end..I bet they will be happy if they get a couple of thousand dollars... But they will have to pay it back later and make lawyers happy. Some lawyers need cases so I guess they are helping them. So RA1 don't be too upset. They are not getting it for free after all and they have right to argue their case if they indeed suffered from it. Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Members Posted February 24, 2013 Who is upset? I am merely reporting about an interview I heard last night. Aren't you suggesting the same thing as the interviewee, namely that we all pay in one way or another for lawsuits, especially frivolous ones? The passengers are getting a refund, a free cruise, a ride home + a hotel stay + $500. Is that similar to the couple of thousand you mentioned? Do you actually read anything before you post or just post and like Pelosi says, we can read it after we pass it to see what it says? Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I love Pelosi... I didn't know she said that... Don't you know by know I sometimes read things incorrectly and respond strangely??? Sorry for not reading your post correctly... I apologize... But I thought "tsk tsk" implied that you are at least disapproving what they are doing? Or just mean something else? Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Reminds of Sam Ervin's tale of the young Southern lawyer who moved to a new town to open his practice. End of his first church attendance there, preacher unexpectedly called on him to deliver the closing prayer. Caught unawares, his lawyer's heart blurted out, "Lord, stir up much strife among thy people, lest thy servant perish!" Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I love watching lawyers fiercely fight with words for their clients. I think it's a very interesting profession.. I READ ( correct me if I am wrong) somewhere that a lot of lawyers are not doing well. It's tough in any profession. Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Members Posted February 24, 2013 Of course Pelosi said that in reference to Obama Care. OK, AS, I shall desist. Best regards, RA1 AdamSmith 1 Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Maybe it was taken out of context... What do you think? http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhV-05TLiiLU Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Members Posted February 24, 2013 I think that, like most if not all of Congress, she didn't have a clue. Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest NCBored Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I may be sorry to bring this up again but I happened to listen to an interview last night of a passenger on this cruise. She said she wondered what ship those passengers were on that were complaining about food, etc. She said there was always plenty of food, the crew did their duty and explained how to "take care" of sanitary situations. Of course, it was inconvenient but she thought such folks were just trying to get a bigger settlement. Imagine that, US citizens going over the top in order to get something for nothing. Tsk, tsk. Best regards, RA1 I admit that I haven't followed ALL the news stories, and some people may have exaggerated their hardships, but it seemed that some people did experience worse conditions than some others. Some people had problems with overflowing sewage, and conditons were worse in lower decks. (I did see a story about some upper-deck passengers who 'took in' some passengers whose lower cabins were experiencing more problems.) Quote
Members lookin Posted February 24, 2013 Members Posted February 24, 2013 I heard a radio interview a couple weeks ago with a maritime lawyer who specializes in suing cruise lines. He said that passengers sign away all kinds of rights when they purchase their tickets, including the rights to sue for inconvenience, emotional distress, and fear of harm. They actually have to be harmed in order to collect anything. Now, if someone can actually prove illness from the alleged unsanitary conditions, they have a case. However, he said they will have to file their lawsuits in Federal court in Miami where Carnival is headquartered. The cruise lines are not without their own legal chops. Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Lookin have you not seen Ally McBeal? Sometimes lawyers come up with these merits though outrageous in front of judges... I want to see how this one pans out... They just have to find Ling??? Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Members Posted February 24, 2013 It is all a matter of who do you believe, isn't it? Of course any suits will have to be at the location that Carnival has a legal presence. So, perhaps travel to MIA, tell you tale of woe and see if anyone cares to recompense you more than Carnival already has or agreed to do. Personally I think it was a matter of inconvenience, perhaps a large inconvenience, but without any "real" danger to one's life or person. Not any of the potential plaintiffs would want me on the jury, although I would certainly listen to whatever they had to say. That means I am not sympathetic towards Carnival either but so far think they have made appropriate efforts to ameliorate the situation. More to come, I am sure. Best regards, RA1 lookin- If you read the tariff provisions on any common carrier "ticket" you will see that you do have rights but not those which many seem to think they have (at least in the USA). Virtually all airline accidents that have resulted in fatalities have resulted in awards far more than the tariff allowed. Good or bad, those are the facts. Quote
Members lookin Posted February 24, 2013 Members Posted February 24, 2013 lookin- If you read the tariff provisions on any common carrier "ticket" you will see that you do have rights but not those which many seem to think they have (at least in the USA). Virtually all airline accidents that have resulted in fatalities have resulted in awards far more than the tariff allowed. Good or bad, those are the facts. Can't find the link to the interview with the maritime attorney, but he was based in Miami and made his living suing cruise lines, Carnival, I expect, among them. He sounded like he knew what he was talking about. At the time, a couple of weeks ago, all the chatter was about suing for trouble and aggravation along with fear of harm. Nothing about actual harm and certainly nothing about fatalities, which I'm sure would trump any conditions printed on the ticket, as you say. This lawyer said that none of these 'time and trouble' lawsuits would stand a chance in court. The cruise lines have been down this road before and have stacked the deck in their favor, so to speak. Not to say there aren't lawyers out there who would take a nuisance case but my guess is, if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't take it on contingency and would want their fees, win or lose. There may also be some lawyers who figure Carnival is publicity-shy on this one and would pay them to go away. But, according to the lawyer who was interviewed, they would not win a case on its merits. But what do I know? Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Members Posted February 24, 2013 You know what is right and what is wrong. But that does not mean that is what will happen in court. These tariffs are part of international agreements where many countries are not as litigious as we are in the US. If you look at the cruise lines owned by Carnival you might be surprised. They include HAL, Cunard and many others. Combined they do a LOT of buiness in the US and could not survive a "serious" PR disadvantage; therefore they are "mostly" doing what is right in the case of Triumph. No one is ever completely satisfied, are they? Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Class action suit filed.. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/20/us/florida-carnival-triumph-lawsuit?c=&page=2 Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 The lawyer interviewed is not Ally McBeal.. That's the problem.. I am not sure how they are going to prove that Carnival operated a ship with a serious mechanical issue it let's see what happens... Quote
Guest zipperzone Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Who is upset? I am merely reporting about an interview I heard last night. Aren't you suggesting the same thing as the interviewee, namely that we all pay in one way or another for lawsuits, especially frivolous ones? The passengers are getting a refund, a free cruise, a ride home + a hotel stay + $500. Is that similar to the couple of thousand you mentioned? Do you actually read anything before you post or just post and like Pelosi says, we can read it after we pass it to see what it says? Best regards, RA1 I think he has a compulsion to post on every issue, often on every contribution to a post. Its usually pure drivel and I tend to refrain from reading them. Quote
Guest hitoallusa Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Promise to stop posting for awhile... Quote
Guest FourAces Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Carnival is not a US company and does not carry the US flag on its ships. It will be near impossible to obtain any financial gain through legal means due to this and what Lookin mentioned .... passengers basically sign their lives away when purchasing a ticket. It should be noted that experienced cruise passengers probably are taking the experience not as harsh as new or the once in a while cruise passenger is. Quote
AdamSmith Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Given at least the absence of norovirus epidemic on Triumph, one can see a new ad line: Carnival -- cleanest sewage overflows anywhere on the high seas! Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 25, 2013 Author Members Posted February 25, 2013 As I understand it norovirus comes from the "other end". Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest rimchair Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Perhaps the OP should take his favorite escort on a Boeing 787 to go cruise on a Carnival ship. As I remember, said escort is deft at handling ship board toilet problems. Quote
Members RA1 Posted February 26, 2013 Author Members Posted February 26, 2013 Your memory seems to exceed any interest others might have in what it contains AND it is often faulty. Or, perhaps it is your logic that is faulty? Otherwise, do you use the Dewey Decimal System to keep up with past silly posts? Best regards, RA1 Quote
Guest rimchair Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 This silly post came from a even sillier 'review' you yourself wrote elsewhere in cyberspace. Quote
