Wish Lucky well into the cornfields.

[Guest rimchair]

What in the world is going on over at the other site, it is like something out of The Twilight Zone. Banned for speaking the truth, then having his posts overtaken? Refusal to apologize?

Doesn't look clean and tidy to me.

[caeron]

For whatever reason, that other site always generates drama.

[Guest NCBored]

I hope we can leave the Daddy-drama on the other site.

I'd hate to see the same patterns develop here.

[AdamSmith]

Scant risk. Those patterns may originate from posters, but they are reinforced and strengthened by management's behavior there. One thing we can rest assured of -- OZ will never treat this community anything like that.

[MsGuy]

Tend to agree with AS..

LOL, by the way, Daddy locked Lucky's Requiem thread after the second person posted a link to MER for those wishing to keep up with Lucky's posts.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulant priest?"

[lookin]

One thing we can rest assured of -- OZ will never treat this community anything like that.

Never in a Million Bazillion years ! !

[Lucky]

I have tried to respect the wishes of this site's managers and leave developments over there to speak for themselves. I am grateful for the number of people who have stood up for me over there, only to be cut off when the truth was about to come out. As it is, I am happy to be posting here and hope some of the nice guys speaking up for me over there will move here.

[AdamSmith]

"Will no one rid me of this turbulant priest?"

Daddy as Henry II!

You may have just cracked the nut.

[citylaw1]

Tend to agree with AS..

LOL, by the way, Daddy locked Lucky's Requiem thread after the second person posted a link to MER for those wishing to keep up with Lucky's posts.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulant priest?"

Locking threads is stupid, unless personal information or the like is breached. Locked threads are always the most popular, therefore, the notion that most prefer a gentle sandbox is debunked.

[Guest CharliePS]

Tend to agree with AS..

LOL, by the way, Daddy locked Lucky's Requiem thread after the second person posted a link to MER for those wishing to keep up with Lucky's posts.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulant priest?"

That's the first time in 13 years that one of my threads has been locked. I'm keeping my eyes open for the assassins. And staying out of cathedrals.

[Guest StevenDraker]

Easy! Get laid and start contributing something positive.

It will pass, Sir.

[Lucky]

Just get laid with an escort who won't stab you in the back.

[TotallyOz]

Inquiring minds want to know. What happened? I have read the threads in questions and for the life of me can't figure out what happened.

[Guest hitoallusa]

Lucky I hope you are ok. I have no idea what has happened but I send you my support and love..

[Guest josephga]

I thought it was the last comment in the todays time outs thread. I wasn't paying much attention after that

[citylaw1]

Inquiring minds want to know. What happened? I have read the threads in questions and for the life of me can't figure out what happened.

Lucky PM'd me and it still makes no sense. The control factor there is at an amazing level.

[Lucky]

Since Oz has invited me to tell my side of the story, here it is: There was a post there on Hooboy, and I decided to add my experiences, however limited they were, because Hooboy's creation of that site changed my life. I mentioned the few times we interacted in a positive way. However, I think it says more for a person if we paint an honest picture of him, and make it clear that we loved him, warts and all. So, I added in my post an experience where I saw something he had posted that didn't seem right. I asked deej to pull it, and he did. Criticism came from Steven Draker, who said that in his culture, you only said positive things about a deceased. jimboivyo said that BN wrote this to celebrate the man and his memory, not to 'accurately' let folks know every intimate detail of hoo boy's (sic) life.

I didn't mention every intimate detail, just one experience I was involved in. A short discussion ensued on whether it was proper to include less than positive things. At first WilliamM agreed with me, but he later said that he thought I wasn't being serious. We communicated and he realized that he had misread the thread and apologized to me, but he didn't change his comment.

I was given no warning or spoken to at all about adding this comment. in fact, it is still up in that thread. Nonetheless, later that night I was surprised to see a post go up using the name Lucky as the writer. It was titled something about you guys should get a room, and included comments from Steven, me, and WilliamM. I was shocked that someone would write a post using my name. It had to be an admin, and I later learned that it was Daddy.

I complained about this misuse of my name. I said that the integrity of the site had been breached, and that I deserved an apology, If one was not forthcoming, my days at that site would end. Minutes thereafter, without a word of warning to me, or an opportunity to discuss whatever was bothering daddy, I got a notice that I was now banned for life.

Later someone asked Daddy why I was banned and he responded that it was because I didn't apologize. My response, to myself, is apologize for what? The Hooboy comment received no scorn from management, and, again, is still up. Surely they weren't too bothered by that. The apology was due me, not Daddy, and he banned me rather than apologize. I informed a friend that if Daddy told me that he was hurt by my comment, I would apologize. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I never heard from Daddy, the ban remains.

Posters must have the right to feel that the use of their screen name is sacrosanct, and will not be abused by management. Daddy violated this basic premise and seemed to have thought that by banning me, he would not have to face up to his misdeed.

I hope posters concerned about integrity of their posts do speak up.

[citylaw1]

Since Oz has invited me to tell my side of the story, here it is: There was a post there on Hooboy, and I decided to add my experiences, however limited they were, because Hooboy's creation of that site changed my life. I mentioned the few times we interacted in a positive way. However, I think it says more for a person if we paint an honest picture of him, and make it clear that we loved him, warts and all. So, I added in my post an experience where I saw something he had posted that didn't seem right. I asked deej to pull it, and he did. Criticism came from Steven Draker, who said that in his culture, you only said positive things about a deceased. jimboivyo said that BN wrote this to celebrate the man and his memory, not to 'accurately' let folks know every intimate detail of hoo boy's (sic) life.

I didn't mention every intimate detail, just one experience I was involved in. A short discussion ensued on whether it was proper to include less than positive things. At first WilliamM agreed with me, but he later said that he thought I wasn't being serious. We communicated and he realized that he had misread the thread and apologized to me, but he didn't change his comment.

I was given no warning or spoken to at all about adding this comment. in fact, it is still up in that thread. Nonetheless, later that night I was surprised to see a post go up using the name Lucky as the writer. It was titled something about you guys should get a room, and included comments from Steven, me, and WilliamM. I was shocked that someone would write a post using my name. It had to be an admin, and I later learned that it was Daddy.

I complained about this misuse of my name. I said that the integrity of the site had been breached, and that I deserved an apology, If one was not forthcoming, my days at that site would end. Minutes thereafter, without a word of warning to me, or an opportunity to discuss whatever was bothering daddy, I got a notice that I was now banned for life.

Later someone asked Daddy why I was banned and he responded that it was because I didn't apologize. My response, to myself, is apologize for what? The Hooboy comment received no scorn from management, and, again, is still up. Surely they weren't too bothered by that. The apology was due me, not Daddy, and he banned me rather than apologize. I informed a friend that if Daddy told me that he was hurt by my comment, I would apologize. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I never heard from Daddy, the ban remains.

Posters must have the right to feel that the use of their screen name is sacrosanct, and will not be abused by management. Daddy violated this basic premise and seemed to have thought that by banning me, he would not have to face up to his misdeed.

I hope posters concerned about integrity of their posts do speak up.

Unreal

[Suckrates]

Inquiring minds want to know. What happened? I have read the threads in questions and for the life of me can't figure out what happened.

What happened IS that if you say something that someone doesnt like, or if you challenge someone, a few things can happen. Either your posts will get deleted or altered, Your thread will be locked down OR you will be Banned. Seems the perfect 3-step program for getting the exact type of site you want. One that dictates opiniions, operates in a bubble and forces you to swallow. I was never big on Swallowing..... And I was never big on "Favoritism".... If you want a Fan Club.....have a Fan club. But if you want a site that promotes intelligent discussion and interaction, allow people to be themselves, cut out the kiss-ass bullshit and treat EVERYONE with equal respect and tolerance.

[Lucky]

Here is my post about Hooboy:

My start date was either March or May of 2000, so I interacted with Hooboy but never met him. We did speak when he called to confirm my first review. But, I used a different name for the review than Lucky. I think Danny Cruz got my first review.
If we are going to accurately remember Hooboy, then included in that would be his late night posts which did not often make sense. I once sent my friend deej a private message to urge him to remove a post that was not well-considered.
But that was not the main thing to remember about Hooboy. If he had not started this site, and its forum, I would have missed out on hours of free entertainment, not to mention the making of many friendships and encounters with so many interesting guys. So for that, I owe him thanks.
His last comment to me was about my pic that I had taken by a good friend with my arm around Lukas Ridgeston. He had always wanted to meet Lukas.

here is the post I did NOT write:

9 Hours Ago #20

Lucky

Prince

• Join Date
• Dec 1969
• Posts
• 13,330

Go get a room you guys...

Originally Posted by

Steven_Draker

In my culture when remembering a deceased person we remember and mention only the good things. We forget about the bad ones. It's considered traditionally bad omen and presently more associated to lack of tact to speak ill of a dead person.

Thank you for bringing our attention to that article, jimboivyo. I wasn't aware it was there as I didn't scroll down.

I've always preferred accuracy and honesty. No human is perfect, and to point that out is more of an indication of respect, it is a statement that you liked the whole person, and that's not detrimental, it's positive.

Originally Posted by

Lucky

I've always prefered accuracy and honesty.

Originally Posted by

WilliamM

I agree.

I attended a memorial serice just before Christmas during which the main speaker mixed in good points and eccentricities. It was the first time his wife and daughter seemed like themselves, and even laughed out load once or twice. It was done with great skill, and made the service truly memorable...something it would not have been otherwise.

Originally Posted by

WilliamM

Sorry Lucky, I realized after I posted that your comment was not serious.

But, I do stand by my post.

William

Originally Posted by

lucky

It wasn't? That is a surprise to me.

When I hit reply with quote to the above, I got this instead of that post:

I've always preferred accuracy and honesty. No human is perfect' date=' and to point that out is more of an indication of respect, it is a statement that you liked the whole person, and that's not detrimental, it's positive.[/quote']

And, here is the verbatim complaint, now removed, as is the phony post above:

The consolidation of the several posts into one above is probably the biggest insult done to me since I started posting here almost 13 years ago. It makes it look as if I had started a post called Go Get A Room You Guys, and then used quotes from Steven Draker, myself, and WIlliamM in that post. Yet when I hit "reply with quote" to make this response, all that I reply to is the quote above.

I put in this memory of Hooboy thread what my contacts with Hooboy were, and an experience I had in trying to get removed a thread he had started that was not well-advised, to put it the most kindly. Subsequent to that, it was suggested that I was speaking ill of the dead, or "had let folks know every intimate detail of hoo boy's life." This was not the case, but was sour grapes from two people who did not like that I had included even the one small fault.

WilliamM then spoke of his agreement that remembering a person honestly was the best tribute, and then he made a comment that he realized I wasn't being serious. We have communicated on that and I think he now realizes that I was being very serious.

But for someone to take these posts,consolidate them, and re-title them is exceptionally insulting and should make every member here fear for the integrity of what you write. If it can be re-written, and recategorized, then this board is in far worse shape than I had thought. Until the matter is straightened out, and I have received a personal apology for the abridgment and recategorizing of my posts, my days here are done.

For this, I am banned for life! Could it happen to you?

[Suckrates]

Since Oz has invited me to tell my side of the story, here it is: There was a post there on Hooboy, and I decided to add my experiences, however limited they were, because Hooboy's creation of that site changed my life. I mentioned the few times we interacted in a positive way. However, I think it says more for a person if we paint an honest picture of him, and make it clear that we loved him, warts and all. So, I added in my post an experience where I saw something he had posted that didn't seem right. I asked deej to pull it, and he did. Criticism came from Steven Draker, who said that in his culture, you only said positive things about a deceased. jimboivyo said that BN wrote this to celebrate the man and his memory, not to 'accurately' let folks know every intimate detail of hoo boy's (sic) life.

I didn't mention every intimate detail, just one experience I was involved in. A short discussion ensued on whether it was proper to include less than positive things. At first WilliamM agreed with me, but he later said that he thought I wasn't being serious. We communicated and he realized that he had misread the thread and apologized to me, but he didn't change his comment.

I was given no warning or spoken to at all about adding this comment. in fact, it is still up in that thread. Nonetheless, later that night I was surprised to see a post go up using the name Lucky as the writer. It was titled something about you guys should get a room, and included comments from Steven, me, and WilliamM. I was shocked that someone would write a post using my name. It had to be an admin, and I later learned that it was Daddy.

I complained about this misuse of my name. I said that the integrity of the site had been breached, and that I deserved an apology, If one was not forthcoming, my days at that site would end. Minutes thereafter, without a word of warning to me, or an opportunity to discuss whatever was bothering daddy, I got a notice that I was now banned for life.

Later someone asked Daddy why I was banned and he responded that it was because I didn't apologize. My response, to myself, is apologize for what? The Hooboy comment received no scorn from management, and, again, is still up. Surely they weren't too bothered by that. The apology was due me, not Daddy, and he banned me rather than apologize. I informed a friend that if Daddy told me that he was hurt by my comment, I would apologize. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I never heard from Daddy, the ban remains.

Posters must have the right to feel that the use of their screen name is sacrosanct, and will not be abused by management. Daddy violated this basic premise and seemed to have thought that by banning me, he would not have to face up to his misdeed.

I hope posters concerned about integrity of their posts do speak up.

Well Lucky my Banning came as a result of me reporting a post to Daddy that another member (rockhard) had written about me with was rude and crude and laced with profanity. Shortly after my submission, I was Banned, without warning, with a message from Daddy which said "Happy holidays"..... My other 2 Bans over there are well documented, one included a member admitting he "Baited me", and the first was due I am told to members "requesting" me to be Banned. Both of those also came with NO prior warning, and each time when questioned, I got snotty replies which more of less amounted to a "Fuck you"... So here we are.. and although I was "allowed" back, now I more or less said "Fuck you" to them.... and although Lucky and I have our history, I do support him on his "Daddy" issues.

[Guest josephga]

What happened IS that if you say something that someone doesnt like, or if you challenge someone, a few things can happen. Either your posts will get deleted or altered, Your thread will be locked down OR you will be Banned. Seems the perfect 3-step program for getting the exact type of site you want. One that dictates opiniions, operates in a bubble and forces you to swallow. I was never big on Swallowing..... And I was never big on "Favoritism".... If you want a Fan Club.....have a Fan club. But if you want a site that promotes intelligent discussion and interaction, allow people to be themselves, cut out the kiss-ass bullshit and treat EVERYONE with equal respect and tolerance.

That's pretty much was the end for me. IMO rules apply to everyone or they apply to no one. I believe if your just minding your own business & someone decides to come for you then you have the right to come for them in return with whatever you got

[Suckrates]

Here is my post about Hooboy:

My start date was either March or May of 2000, so I interacted with Hooboy but never met him. We did speak when he called to confirm my first review. But, I used a different name for the review than Lucky. I think Danny Cruz got my first review.

If we are going to accurately remember Hooboy, then included in that would be his late night posts which did not often make sense. I once sent my friend deej a private message to urge him to remove a post that was not well-considered.

But that was not the main thing to remember about Hooboy. If he had not started this site, and its forum, I would have missed out on hours of free entertainment, not to mention the making of many friendships and encounters with so many interesting guys. So for that, I owe him thanks.

His last comment to me was about my pic that I had taken by a good friend with my arm around Lukas Ridgeston. He had always wanted to meet Lukas.

here is the post I did NOT write:

9 Hours Ago #20

Lucky

Prince

• Join Date
• Dec 1969
• Posts
• 13,330

Go get a room you guys...

As soon as I saw the name Steve Draker, it all became clear and fell into place..... Members and escorts that are "protected" by Daddy and his minions can be cocky, obnoxious "assholes" without any repercussions.

[TotallyOz]

I was shocked that someone would write a post using my name. It had to be an admin, and I later learned that it was Daddy.

Thank you for sharing what happened. I really had no idea about the situation and I was unable to find what you did wrong on the site. And, still do not. It is not fair for any admin to ever post under a user's name. I agree with you that has to be sacrosanct. I will assure each and every one of you that this will NEVER happen on this site. Tampa Yankee is one of the most honorable men I know and both of us value the work and effort each one of you puts into making this site fun and enjoyable and informative and we will never intentionally do anything to breach that trust.

My mother always told me: if you play with a snake long enough, you are bound to be bitten.

I know the bite does not feel good and you did not deserve it Lucky. Sorry this happened to you.

[Guest hitoallusa]

I love your mom, Oz... I haven't met AS's mom and I am not sure why he is holding back.. I might as well meet your mother first...