Guest FourAces Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Hmmm Steve Wozniak predicts there will me major problems with Cloud computing. Also, notes we no longer might own our content. ------ During an on-stage discussion with Apple (AAPL) critic Mike Daisey, the Cupertino-based company’s co-founder Steve Wozniak expressed major concerns about the future of computing and the shift to the cloud, Agence France-Presse reported. “I really worry about everything going to the cloud. I think it’s going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years,” Wozniak said, adding that “with the cloud, you don’t own anything. You already signed it away” through the terms of service all cloud computing users must agree to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted August 7, 2012 Members Share Posted August 7, 2012 I have similar concerns. I don't actively do cloud computing and I do not think I will start if I can help it. I do share movies with my son on some cloud accounts that are his. He 'buys' some movies on these accounts. One of his movies that he 'bought' disappeared when the company he purchased through lost the 'license' to hold that movie. So much for 'buying' on the cloud. He had no recourse as the company would not respond. We haven't even touched Big Brother yet. Good luck. TotallyOz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Cowplop. World-leading manufacturing companies do their high-demand engineering simulation in the cloud today, and would not think of going back. Including the most paranoically security-conscious defense contractors. I know firsthand that a shitload of the simulation that went into the Joint Strike Fighter, etc., etc., etc. was done in the cloud. TY, you too know this firsthand. Lockheed Martin Defense Systems, General Dynamics Land Systems, Raytheon, General Dynamics Electric Boat, Pratt & Whitney, General Atomics, on and on and on -- these guys may be evil but they are not dummies. They are all way into the cloud today. Likewise with the big EPCs -- Fluor, Bechtel, Halliburton, Jacobs Engineering, Brown & Root, et al. Granted, consumers may always get the shaft (see related post on the clusterfuck of hotmail's demise -- I hate that like everyone else). But business customers have clout that will sink a cloud provider if one single breach occurs. Look at the success of salesforce.com -- I fought tooth and nail with an old boss who would on no account put our customer lists in the cloud. But now no sensible company would do it any other way. Relying on my own maintenance of my in-office server to keep alive such a critical resource, instead of the professionals at salesforce whose whole business would go down the toilet if they (1) failed to maintain the absolute integrity of my data or (2) allowed any kind of security breach, would just be delusional thinking on my part. We already trust online banking, providing we have adequate security on our local devices. What is more important than our money? TotallyOz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EXPAT Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I agree as well. I will not store anything on the cloud. The only thing I use cloud for is for syncing my calendar and contacts. With disk drives being so cheap, I'd rather have my own network of backups than using cloud computing. I don't trust any companies security system or who might or might not have access to it. I doubt anything would change my mind on this one. I know how cheap companies can be so I won't be trusting them anytime soon. "On-line" banking is not cloud computing. There is a completely different set of security with banking online. So you can't compare the two at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NCBored Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I use Dropbox to keep some files backed up but anything sensitive I back up manually on an external hard drive. And upload speeds, on my home network, are prohibitive for large files (e.g. video). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 "On-line" banking is not cloud computing. There is a completely different set of security with banking online. So you can't compare the two at all. Respectfully beg to differ. When world-class engineering organizations put their mission-critical IP into the cloud, the security is banking-level. Agree, as I said before, that is far different from many consumer-oriented cloud services. My point is that security is not inherently put at risk simply because of something being cloud-based these days. Just depends on how it is implemented. TotallyOz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EXPAT Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 We don't disagree. I was comparing on line banking to consumer cloud services which is what the majority are familiar with. I'm not sure I'd put any mission critical operation in the cloud unless the cloud was proprietary to the company only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I'm not sure I'd put any mission critical operation in the cloud unless the cloud was proprietary to the company only. That would make unavailable one of the central benefits of the cloud: computing on demand. A big reason that companies such as those I mentioned above buy cloud computing services from third-party hosts is to accommodate spikes in demand as engineering projects move through peak workload periods. It has long been a source of cost and waste for these companies to have to maintain in-house what is, a great deal of the time, idle computing capacity. One of the industry's terms of art for this is "infinite computing." In fact it is proving a godsend to medium and smaller engineering organizations that can now afford to rent levels of computing power for brief but project-critical tasks that they would be hard-pressed to pay for as purchased and in-house-maintained infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EXPAT Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I am certain that mission critical "cloud" computing is vastly different from apple's iCloud or DropBox or Google's version whatever it's called. In my experience when we did it at my old company it was a proprietary cloud with specific security as specified by the RFP from our company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, just so. B2B cloud providers of that ilk use massive security and partitioning tools (and offer contractual guarantees, with reparation commitments etc.) that are worlds apart from Dropbox et al. We are in heated agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lookin Posted August 8, 2012 Members Share Posted August 8, 2012 Namaste. No sir, the Benjamin Nicholas thread is no longer in the cloud. In fact it is high above. Mr. OZ has most urgently requested that it be placed somewhere near Uranus. Yes, please do have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NCBored Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, just so. B2B cloud providers of that ilk use massive security and partitioning tools (and offer contractual guarantees, with reparation commitments etc.) that are worlds apart from Dropbox et al. We are in heated agreement. Yes, B2B and personal computing are vastly different. Wozniak's remarks only make sense in the context of personal computing (if then.) For example, TY's anecdote about his nephew's content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So why the brouhaha? Put it on a memory stick and forget about it. How dense can we be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 that it be placed somewhere near Uranus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
