An uncomplicated 1 hour session wanted.

[Guest wizemen2]

Hi Guys

Seems like lots of sensible good advice on this site, so can anyone please tell me where to get a guy or guys that just want a simple business hour with a farang, being myself, who on a regular basis, just requires a massage and a hand job, then they leave.

 

No lovin, no small talk, no dinner, no expensive boy bar drinks, no Bar fine, no companionship, just keep it simple is all I require.

My place or theirs day or night.

Any advice would be appreciated as I dont have the time or the urge to troll around bars or do the massage routine at the gay beach during the day.

Once i got a few contacts it will all be easy from there on.

I imaging there is cruising areas, but I dont know where at this time.

I gather from the chat on sites that 500b is acceptable , plus a bit of travel money .

Please correct me if im wrong.

Thanks all.

Dennis The menace.

 

 

 

 

[Gaybutton]

I'd start at the beach anyhow. I don't know what you have against it, but that's my recommendation. Most of the beach massage boys would be quite willing to do precisely what you seek. Many of them have mobile phones, so once you find someone you're satisfied with, now he'll also know how to get to wherever you are staying. All you would have to do is call him and arrange whatever days and times you want. Several people do just that.

 

Suggestion number two is the bars. I know you don't like that idea either, but many people find a bar boy they like, get his phone number, and make arrangements outside of his working hours. Also, it doesn't have to be a go-go bar. Most boys who work at the outdoor beer bars would be just as willing.

 

Often, waiters at restaurants frequented by gays are also available during their non working hours. There are even restaurants where you can simply "off" the waiter. Sammy's, for example (Eric's new restaurant), permits "off." The fee is 250 baht.

 

Failing any of that, try the Sansuk Sauna. Several boys are regulars there. They are well aware they can't do anything for money while at the sauna, but many are hoping a "farang" will want their phone number and will call them.

 

Another option is the gay personals web sites. Just look at the ads that say they are looking for love. In most cases, what they're really looking for is a client. Most of the younger ones are bar boys looking to make some money outside of their working hours.

 

As for cruising areas, just walk around the area between Pattayaland and Sunee Plaza at night. You'll run into plenty of freelancers. The Beach Road entrance of the Royal Garden shopping mall is often a good spot as well as Walking Street. Sometimes the Bali Hai Pier area is good at night. I do not advise the Jomtien Beach area at night. It used to be good, but now there is too much crime and it's too dangerous an area at night.

 

Remember, if you have a boy coming to meet you wherever you are staying, you will be expected to reimburse him for his taxi fare to get there and will also be expected to give him taxi fare to get back to wherever he is going . . . in addition to the agreed price for his time with you.

[Guest laurence]

Hi Guys

 

Any advice would be appreciated as I dont have the time or the urge to troll around bars or do the massage routine at the gay beach during the day.

 

Dennis The menace.

 

Dennis, I think you will have to take the time and feel the urge to do some foot work of your own.

People can give you some advice on this forum but can't do it for you.

Seek and ye shall find!

[Guest Steve1903]

sounds so romantic

[Guest wizemen2]

Thanks GayButton, your advice was just what I wanted.

Appreciate.

It will get me off to a good start.

Dennis The menace

 

I'd start at the beach anyhow. I don't know what you have against it, but that's my recommendation. Most of the beach massage boys would be quite willing to do precisely what you seek. Many of them have mobile phones, so once you find someone you're satisfied with, now he'll also know how to get to wherever you are staying. All you would have to do is call him and arrange whatever days and times you want. Several people do just that.

 

Suggestion number two is the bars. I know you don't like that idea either, but many people find a bar boy they like, get his phone number, and make arrangements outside of his working hours. Also, it doesn't have to be a go-go bar. Most boys who work at the outdoor beer bars would be just as willing.

 

Often, waiters at restaurants frequented by gays are also available during their non working hours. There are even restaurants where you can simply "off" the waiter. Sammy's, for example (Eric's new restaurant), permits "off." The fee is 250 baht.

 

Failing any of that, try the Sansuk Sauna. Several boys are regulars there. They are well aware they can't do anything for money while at the sauna, but many are hoping a "farang" will want their phone number and will call them.

 

Another option is the gay personals web sites. Just look at the ads that say they are looking for love. In most cases, what they're really looking for is a client. Most of the younger ones are bar boys looking to make some money outside of their working hours.

 

As for cruising areas, just walk around the area between Pattayaland and Sunee Plaza at night. You'll run into plenty of freelancers. The Beach Road entrance of the Royal Garden shopping mall is often a good spot as well as Walking Street. Sometimes the Bali Hai Pier area is good at night. I do not advise the Jomtien Beach area at night. It used to be good, but now there is too much crime and it's too dangerous an area at night.

 

Remember, if you have a boy coming to meet you wherever you are staying, you will be expected to reimburse him for his taxi fare to get there and will also be expected to give him taxi fare to get back to wherever he is going . . . in addition to the agreed price for his time with you.

 

[Guest wizemen2]

Steve

I dont neeed romance mate, just a quickie when Im travelling, strictly business.

The 3 "F"s we used to call them in my school days and were then chasing those ones that bleed.

Find em, Fuck em, and Forget em.

Except the 2nd "F" I dont risk anymore.

After 40 yrs with the same guy I get all the romance I need with my partner, and safely.

I see enough Farangs around this town dragging a local lad around, ill leave all them to do the charity work.

 

Cheers

Dennis

 

sounds so romantic

 

[Guest TOQ]

Steve

I dont neeed romance mate, just a quickie when Im travelling, strictly business.

The 3 "F"s we used to call them in my school days and were then chasing those ones that bleed.

Find em, Fuck em, and Forget em.

Except the 2nd "F" I dont risk anymore.

After 40 yrs with the same guy I get all the romance I need with my partner, and safely.

I see enough Farangs around this town dragging a local lad around, ill leave all them to do the charity work.

 

Cheers

Dennis

 

 

Sounds a little cold as well

 

john

[llz]

Can anyone please tell me where to get a guy or guys that just want a simple business hour with a farang, being myself, who on a regular basis, just requires a massage and a hand job, then they leave.

No lovin, no small talk, no dinner, no expensive boy bar drinks, no Bar fine, no companionship, just keep it simple is all I require.

My place or theirs day or night.

This is exactly what I look for - and find - when I go to a massage place. There are 10 or so of them in Pattaya and Jomtien, I have tried only Royal House in Day & Night area and was quite pleased with the experience.

 

[Guest Aussiesado]

Sounds a little cold as well

 

john

 

I agree John,I did state my request that way, but remember mate these lad are not here for love, its all business for them.

The love angle which the lads will flog as long as they can only gets them more time with the FARANG and more goodies.

I dont need that.

But dont get me wrong.

Im not a beast,I are all polite correct and specific in my dealings with them.

Cheers mate

 

 

 

[Guest Aussiesado]

This is exactly what I look for - and find - when I go to a massage place. There are 10 or so of them in Pattaya and Jomtien, I have tried only Royal House in Day & Night area and was quite pleased with the experience.

 

Thanks LLz yeh I had a look at one in Jomptien, they wanted B 400 for the massage and an extra b900 for the boy,it was some massage club on the way through to the Bondi,opp where the Exit Bar use to be...

Thats australian prices, they have to be kidding.

 

Its past history now, im settled into the Malaysian Hotel in Bangkok for a couple weeks,plenty of choices available 24 hours outside and in the foyer and cafe, and no goddam fees to pay the gay Mafia here as in in Pattaya,, just a direct deal with the lad.

I did a agreement with the lad I wanted and I got him for a 2hr session a day in my room for th next 8 days for B3,000 all up.

No bullshit bar fines, middle men, or boy bar short time room rental.

Its heaven,but sa little exausted :

Im happy.

Dennis The menace.

 

 

 

[Gaybutton]

I had a look at one in Jomptien, they wanted B 400 for the massage and an extra b900 for the boy,it was some massage club on the way through to the Bondi,opp where the Exit Bar use to be...

 

Its past history now, im settled into the Malaysian Hotel in Bangkok for a couple weeks,plenty of choices available 24 hours outside and in the foyer and cafe, and no goddam fees to pay the gay Mafia here as in in Pattaya,, just a direct deal with the lad.

 

Ok, a few comments from me: First, 1300 baht is far too much to pay for a "happy ending" massage in Pattaya. Most massage parlors charge 300 baht for the room and 500 baht for the boy, unless you want some sort of higher class massage. I would never opt for anything other than a basic massage in these places. Something tells me most of these boys are not exactly skilled, trained masseurs, and if they were I doubt they would be working for a sex massage parlor.

 

There is something to be said for your methods if your sole interest is sex. Sure, a direct deal with a boy will save you money. But in the process you are giving up the entertainment offered by the bars. That's fine if the bar entertainment is of no interest to you. I get tired of "the usual" in the bars too . . . dealing with the pushy mama-san, calling the boy over and going through the "what you name, where you from, how long you stay Thailand?" routine, followed by the drink for the boy, followed by the "off" fee, followed by waiting for him to change clothes, followed by him pretending to be madly in love with you, and all accompanied to the sound of horrendous music loud enough to force another Noriega into an early surrender.

 

Many people, especially those who are only in Thailand for a week or two each year, greatly enjoy the bar scene. Plenty of "farang" who are living here also greatly enjoy it as well.

 

I have no objection to what you are doing and it certainly pleases the freelancers, but I do wish to warn people that sticking with freelancers can be dangerous. If a boy is working in a bar, the bar, by law, has copies of his identification and contact information. If something goes wrong, then it's much easier to track down the boy if he has been taken "off" from a bar. If something goes wrong with a freelancer, such as theft or worse, there's not much you'll be able to do about it. You'll have no practical means of tracking him down. Just be extra careful and at least make sure the hotel holds his ID card until he leaves. Make sure the hotel will not return his ID card to him, and he knows they won't, unless you personally accompany him to retrieve it or the desk clerk contacts you first to make sure everything is ok. Also, make sure the desk clerk checks the ID card to verify it is actually his own.

 

The good news is that most freelancers turn out to be perfectly honest and fun to be with, but there are always a few around who will take full advantage if an opportunity arises.

[Guest laurence]

Ok, a few comments from me: First, 1300 baht is far too much to pay for a "happy ending" massage in Pattaya. Most massage parlors charge 300 baht for the room and 500 baht for the boy, unless you want some sort of higher class massage.

 

I can't say that I agree with you on this one BG. Whether you pay 500, 900 or 1200 Baht etc is Up to You. It all depends on the quality of the experience whether is is with a beach boy, massage boy or bar boy. Why should there be a pecking order although that is common among farang always looking for the "deal". Some of my best experiences have been with massage boys and they were well worth a good tip. And the room fee of 400 or 300 Baht is more reasonable then an off fee plus drinks, plus taxi money and maybe even a short time room.

[Gaybutton]

Whether you pay 500, 900 or 1200 Baht etc is Up to You.

 

Actually, it is not up to you, unless you wish to tip more than the specified minimum. I think maybe you are talking about beach massage boys. That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about the gay massage parlors. In virtually all of them, they show you a "menu" of what they have to offer and that menu shows the prices. The usual rate is 300 baht for the room and a basic massage, and 500 baht for the boy. At least that's been the rate at the ones I've been to. It's been more than a year since the last time I went to any of them, so the prices may have changed since then. You can certainly give the boy more than the specified minimum tip if you wish, but they make the minimum clear.

 

Of course, a place like Madame Ed's is far more expensive (if they're still open), but you get a hell of an experience there. The naked boy bubble bath massage is certainly a, shall we say . . . unique experience.

 

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a 'pecking order.'

[Guest laurence]

Actually, it is not up to you, unless you wish to tip more than the specified minimum.

 

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a 'pecking order.'

 

 

It is my understanding that at the massage houses the minimum tip is included on the menu so that uninformed farang know that some form of tip is required for the boy. And yes, it is up to me to give as I wish depending on the service received. For a good one hour massage, without a happy ending, a 500 Baht tip ($15 USD) is just, however a higher tip is in order if there is additional pleasure, at least, in my opinion.

 

As far as pecking order, or hierarchy of tipping, from what I have observed, the beach boys or street boys normally get the least tip for short time, followed by the massage boys at a massage house and then the host boys at beer bars and the highest tip to the boys at the go go bars.

Friends often brag how little they can tip if the boy is "only" a beach boy" or a "lesser person" than a go-go boy. The tip is not based on the quality of the service but the status of the person.

 

For me this is only a rationale for giving a lesser tip, which is perfectly understandable if one has limited resources which is not the case with me.

 

 

[Guest pete1969]

The tip is not based on the quality of the service but the status of the person.

 

For me this is only a rationale for giving a lesser tip, which is perfectly understandable if one has limited resources which is not the case with me.

 

I don't see it that way at all. I can order the same meal from a street vendor and pay 20bt that I can often order at a very nice sit down restaurant and pay 200bt. Often, I find I like the street food better.

 

Likewise, when I pay for sex or companionship, I pay the going rate depending on where I am and what is the market price. I see sex as a commodity just like food or lodging.

 

In the US, if I want a high-class prostitute to spend the night, I would likely pay between $500 to $1,000, but I can get a street prostitute in the US for much less ($50 to $100). If you were to click on the pics of one of the lads at the top of this page, you would pay $6 USD PER MINUTE to watch them on a webcam. I would bet almost no one in LOS is paying any boy $1,000 a night or $6 per minute. Yet, I don't think the status of any Thai prostitute is less than that of anyone from the US. It is simply a matter of the market rate and the person or business selling the service.

 

As you say, the tip is up to you with any prostitute you employ in LOS. However, if you want to pay far above the going rate for a service, it doesn't make the rest of us cheap just because we choose to pay the fair market price being asked for and set by the seller.

 

Pete

[Guest laurence]

I don't see it that way at all. I can order the same meal from a street vendor and pay 20bt that I can often order at a very nice sit down restaurant and pay 200bt. Often, I find I like the street food better.

 

 

 

As you say, the tip is up to you with any prostitute you employ in LOS. However, if you want to pay far above the going rate for a service, it doesn't make the rest of us cheap just because we choose to pay the fair market price being asked for and set by the seller.

 

Pete

 

I can't argue with you logic Pete although I did fail Logic 101. Somehow I feel there is a "non-sequitur" lurking in what you postulated. Actually I really don't pay far above the going rate(1000 Baht is my norm) and I never used the word "cheap" to describe the "rest of us". I think some of this discussion had to do with the going rate of massage boys? What do others think is a fair rate for a good massage with a happy ending?

[Gaybutton]

Friends often brag how little they can tip if the boy is "only" a beach boy" or a "lesser person" than a go-go boy. The tip is not based on the quality of the service but the status of the person.

 

I'm inclined to agree with Pete1969 on this one. I've never heard any of my friends say anything like that and I'm sure they also don't feel that way. However, I don't doubt what you say at all. Unfortunately there are people out there who try to pay as little as possible and they come up with all sorts of excuses and rationales to justify what they're doing.

 

I have no problem at all with the idea of paying the going rate. I think one of the biggest mistakes many of the boys make is when it comes time to pay up and the "farang" asks how much. Quite often the boy says, "Up to you." Wrong reply if they happen to be with one of these people trying to get away with sex for a couple hundred baht.

 

One of the most glaring examples I can remember personally witnessing was several years ago in one of the bars. A "gentleman" who usually shows up at this time of year had called a boy over to sit with him. I knew the boy. This guy spent over an hour sitting there feeling up the boy, kissing him, and even publicly masturbating him. From the expression on the boy's face it was obvious the boy was going through what must have been hell and an extremely humiliating experience for him. When the "gentleman" left he gave the boy a 20 baht tip.

 

It didn't end there. A few days later the boy told me the same "gentleman" had arranged for him to come to his hotel room on a specified day and time. The boy went, despite the 20 baht tip. He had to take a motorcycle taxi to get there. When he arrived and knocked on this guy's door, he opened it up, told the boy he already has a boy with him, and shut the door in the boy's face. He didn't even give him taxi fare. I asked the boy why he went at all, considering how blatantly cheap this guy was. He said he needed the money and had no choice.

 

It doesn't even end there. This same "gentleman" showed up at the bar yet again and called the boy over. The boy risked his job by telling him 'fuck you' and refused to have anything to do with him.

 

Personally, I make no distinction between bar boys, host boys, massage boys, beach boys, or anything else. To me, they're all just people, all trying to survive as best as they can. Many of those beach boys are also bar boys at night. They work the beach during the day and work the bars during the night. The so-called status of the boy has never had anything to do with it, at least in my eyes.

[MrBill]

As for cruising areas, just walk around the area between Pattayaland and Sunee Plaza at night. You'll run into plenty of freelancers. The Beach Road entrance of the Royal Garden shopping mall is often a good spot as well as Walking Street. Sometimes the Bali Hai Pier area is good at night. I do not advise the Jomtien Beach area at night. It used to be good, but now there is too much crime and it's too dangerous an area at night.

 

Gaybutton - Can you say a little more about the area you are speaking of "between Pattayaland and Sunee Plaza" Are you talking about the area along 2nd Road past the school or whatever it is on the corner before you get into the Sunee area? I am trying to picture the area you are talking about but can't quite place it.

 

thanks

KB

[Gaybutton]

Gaybutton - Can you say a little more about the area you are speaking of

 

Literally any of the sois that take you to Sunee Plaza will do. Walking up Pattaya Tai and turning towards Sunee Plaza at the location of the old Hollywood Disco (especially right after the bars close. A large number of boys will be in that area, or headed for that area, eating at all those little mom-and-pop food stalls on Pattaya Tai), or turning at Soi Day-Night or Tuk.com.

 

Also, continuing on Second Road, past the school toward the beach, just turn left any any soi you come to from the Pattaya Tai intersection to Soi V.C.

[Guest laurence]

Often, late at night, along Pattaya Tai, at the Wat Chai Night Market there are many boys looking for food and love. Many have finished working at the bars and are on there way home. I often give them some baht for food but am too tired for more than that.