Cost of a party in the Party Town Pattaya

[TotallyOz]

I love parties. I love hosting parties and planning them. I love to have a lot of guys over to my home and just hang out and have a good time. When I was in Thailand I did this often and I always had a good time. My recent experience in New York really makes me realize the differences between a party in each place.

 

First, the expense of having a party in NYC is infinitely more expensive. The cost of just the flowers is more than I spent on the flowers and all the food in Thailand. The cost of the wine was more than I spent on wine, whisky, beer and all other beverages. What I could do in Thailand for 100 people, I don’t think I would be able to so the same for in New York City for 10 people.

 

The fun is the same. I had a party last weekend and had a great time. It was a bit more work for me in USA than in Thailand but it was still fun. The end result was everyone had a good time but I would say the overall cost was about 15times or more expensive than what I would have spent in Thailand. Just one example, the flower arrangements in Thailand I ordered were on average 15 USD. In New York City, they were 90 USD.

 

I guess this was my first party that I really realized what a bargain I had in Thailand. Damm, looks like my return may be sooner rather than later.

 

 

[Guest ear wig]

Gaythailand says : Damm, looks like my return may be sooner rather than later. end of quote.

 

So many people cant wait to see you again in Thailand, and a lot of the Bitter, jealous ones are waiting to pounce, I wonder who is going to be on the guest list of your Pattaya party, I hope your not going to be an old misery and only invite boring people and not the fun more controversial ones, I always say pick fun amusing people across the board, until they turn nasty on you.

 

See you around Christmas I hope, that's the time to be in Thailand. the weather is at its best and the fun people are all ready to have just that, fun!, and some of the locals go back to there coffins to sharpen there claws, as they cant stand the competition and happy people just enjoying them selves..

 

So many handsome willing guys around now, so I'm sure your have a great time.

 

Will you be Inviting any of the White Sox Brigade, as they will be the ones who will spoil the fun, I'm sure you dont want to be bored to death. I remember your last party, it was a riot of stunning guys and so many nice people, in your Jomtien Mansion always nice when you have a good pool, so they can jump in naked. or was that you lol

 

How will you do things differently this time.

[Guest Hedda]

Please delete, it posted twice???

Please delete, especially if it posted only once.

 

In addition to the costs of flowers, food and booze, I have found that friends of all kinds can be purchased in Thailand at a fraction of what it costs in most other places, as witnessed by the gushy response to the original post.

 

[Guest ear wig]

Please delete, especially if it posted only once.

 

In addition to the costs of flowers, food and booze, I have found that friends of all kinds can be purchased in Thailand at a fraction of what it costs in most other places, as witnessed by the gushy response to the original post.

 

 

Oh dear Hedda you know you should never compare your life and friends with Gaythailands, genuine ones, when your a good sole you only get kindness showered on you, with you I hear its only golden, by the way, nice to see you can string a sentence together in your own words, you mean you did not have to rehash this post from a newspaper story, even though I must say you do make boring rubbish, sound a lot more interesting, even though some would call it plagiarism.

 

At least ours is genuine comradeship. Built from respect………….But to change the words of the genuine article, is what I would call disrespect. Is it so boring in 'Fart-Soap', now you have had to break away from being, the White House correspondent.

 

GT>>>>I hope Hedda is on your guest list as I have heard he does not go out much, he feels a lot safer with a glass of Gripe Water, hiding behind his computer screen, poor thing.

[Gaybutton]

Are you through? I really don't want to be deleting posts or locking threads, but if we're going to have more pissing contests, that's what's going to happen to those sorts of posts. Once again, please use the PM function for these kinds of messages and not the message board.

[Bob]

"...nice to see you can string a sentence together in your own words.."

 

 

Sorry, GB, I just thought that line was worth repeating due to the reverse humor it engenders.

[Guest]

So many people cant wait to see you again in Thailand, and a lot of the Bitter, jealous ones are waiting to pounce,

 

I'll just bet the ones most excited to see me are the ones on the beach. I order more than water when I am there and sit and soak up the sun. Actually, I hate the sun. But, I love the watermellon drinks there.

 

So many handsome willing guys around now, so I'm sure your have a great time.

 

Can't wait to see the handsome guys around. Including you.

 

 

How will you do things differently this time.

 

I learned a lot on previous trips. I learned that I'll have fewer friends and more acquaintances. I'll have fewer guys and be more of a butterfly. I'll eat less food and enjoy the meals more. I'll have a few parties but invite few who were not born in Thailand. I'll get more manicures and appreciate the lady that does them more. I'll tip better but want better service. I'll be able to send my guys out to shop and this time they will be able to find my size of clothes. I'll spend more time in temples and art galleries and less in gogo bars. I'll enjoy the time I have with my guys more and spend time bullshitting with others less. Just a few of the things I'll do different.

 

 

[Guest]

At least ours is genuine comradeship. Built from respect………….But to change the words of the genuine article, is what I would call disrespect. Is it so boring in 'Fart-Soap', now you have had to break away from being, the White House correspondent.

 

People don't seem to get that I do respect you and enjoy your company while at the same time rolling my eyes at some of your posts. I said more than once when reading a post, "Oh shit, here we go again." They don't get that the person you are is not the same as the one online. It is almost like a split personality but that is what the Internet and forums allow for us. I have always said you remind me of PT Barnum with your postings. I think I would have liked that man as well. If someone doesn't like what one posts, don't read their postings. It is as simply as that to me. The forum is supposed to be an open discussion area for anything in Thailand.

 

GT>>>>I hope Hedda is on your guest list as I have heard he does not go out much

 

Hedda is always on my guest list but never wants to play. I think my the fake diamonds on my eyeglasses make her shutter.

[Gaybutton]

The forum is supposed to be an open discussion area for anything in Thailand.

 

I don't quite agree with you on that. I don't think it's appropriate to post personal information about anyone without their permission. I think privacy should be respected and I don't see any justification for some people to post messages that are designed to insult, embarrass, accuse, or otherwise upset people. I believe if someone tells someone else something in confidence, then it should remain so and not end up on a message board. I believe if someone dislikes someone else, then it should be taken up personally, either by meeting with the person or having their argument by PM. I don't think a message board is where all this nonsense should appear. For example, EarWig has an obvious dislike for the "White Sox Brigade." Well, who gives a damn about that? That's his problem and something he should take up directly with them. What the hell is anything about it doing on this message board? Perhaps it gives some people a good laugh, but I don't see anything funny about it at all. What's the funny part?

 

And I'm not trying to single out EarWig. Far from it. Many others do the same thing, quite often completely unprovoked. As far as I'm concerned, keep personal arguments, accusations, and hatreds to yourselves.

[Guest]

EarWig has an obvious dislike for the "White Sox Brigade." Well, who gives a damn about that?

 

To my knowledge there is no group known as the "White Sox Brigade". It is I am sure pointed at a group of Americans that wear sox with sandals. Or, at least that is my impression when I first read it. But, other than a few obsessed with the gossip groups in Pattaya, who cares if this is mentioned. It is no ones name. No group acknowledges being this group. It is a poke at a wide group of people and perhaps for those on the IN in Pattaya they know who it refers to. I don't and most don't give a shit. I don't give a shit anymore than him or someone else saying the bar owners who allow this kind of stuff to go on. It is not a specific mention to anyone and no names were used. When I get back, I'll actually walk around trying to find this Brigade of men who wear white sox with sandals. I'll try not to do this again as I did before and apparently it is a major faux pa. But, to close a thread with the mention of something that is so irrelevant is going too far. There has to be a balance between what is said and how it is read by the "in the know" group in Pattaya. The board is a much bigger world than those few. To me, this is nothing specific but I have never even understood what happened between Hedda and the group on Sawatdee. It is left to the amusement of a few. It is OK with me I am on the outs to all the little remarks made from time to time. But, something so trivial as the mention of an imaginary brigade of men who wear sox? Geeze.

[Gaybutton]

To my knowledge there is no group known as the "White Sox Brigade"

 

To my knowledge, there is. When you get back, you won't have to walk around looking for who it refers to. I'll be glad to show you myself. It's not always necessary to mention names to know exactly who is the butt of a reference. Perhaps you are unaware of it, but that refers to a specific person, and many of us know who, and his friends. If you're not sure to whom it refers, let me know and I'll tell you by email. It might be trivial to some, but to others it is an insult, totally unprovoked, and the intent of the reference is to continue the insults. I don't see any reason in the world why that or any other insult should be condoned or permitted on this board. Again, I'm trying to figure out what the funny part is. I think I have as good a sense of humor as anyone else, but when people are needlessly taunted and insulted, that's where I stop laughing.

 

But that's not my complaint. I was using that as an example. My complaint is the people who engage in pissing contests on this board, no matter who it is and no matter how often we ask them to stop.

 

By the way, I walk around in sandals too . . . without any socks.

[PattayaMale]

I really didn't know it was wrong to wear white sox and sandals. I thought the problem was black sox and brown sandals.

 

I have been around Pattaya for awhile and trythfully have no idea about who GB feels is being insulted. Also if I wanted to wear socks and sandals I would not care what anyone said. The only reason I don't is it is too hard to bend over to put the socks on!

[Guest laurence]

At the risk of being chastised again, I am in full agreement with GB. The reference to White Soxs is a long established vendetta between EarWig and his supposed nemesis, White Sox (socks), and it is quite clear to many to whom he is referring. It is most unfortunate to see this type of personal attack against other posters being resurrected once again on this or any other forum.

In the past even more derogatory terms were being used to identify and defame this person.

Enough is enough.

[Guest]

By the way, I walk around in sandals too . . . without any socks.

 

May I then call your group the Manhattan Sandals Mafia? I owe you dinner at Manhattan's and you wear sandals. Two out of three is close enough for me.

 

BTW: I have gotten 4 e-mails about who the White Sox group is. 2 of the e-mails point to a group from Pattaya, one points to another group from Pattaya and one points to a group from Bangkok. Now, I didn't know they had groups like that in Bangkok. I have learned so much today.

 

My I suggest ALL groups change from white sox to the below. I love candy strippers.

[Gaybutton]

May I then call your group the Manhattan Sandals Mafia?

 

Of course, but I'll have to add Vinnie, Tony, Luca, and Umberto to my group.

 

As for the socks, paisley on magenta print sounds nice.

[Guest ear wig]

Gaybutton says. Quote” EarWig has an obvious dislike for the "White Sox Brigade. Perhaps it gives some people a good laugh " Well, who gives a damn about that?.... End of quote.

 

Geeeese am I reading his right, has some big egos just exploded in to a major autocratic arrogance, you can get treatment for it, if you aways think people are talking about you and they are not..... why is it some people just love to feel his Forum is only about them, when the truth is most people want to find out Interesting facts about Gay Thailand, not a bunch of Prissy Queens who are so bored in Thailand with life, desparatly trying to live on a very small pension, thinking it only ever revolves around going from one Sleazy show bar to another, sitting, spitting poison about nice people, who they could never in there wildest dreams strive to be anything similar, and going to the Beach trying to reinforce all the Horror stories they have dreamt up in that evening, around their witches caldron of like minds. (I understand one has, just been evicted from the witches den, accused of being a spy in 2 Camps.} I could understand if I said, :- Sunee Plazas "Americam Barmy Army" or something.

 

Obviously you and the people you associate with give a damn, or you would not mention it, my advise to you GB is be very careful who you mix with, they are obviously trying to poison your mind. The only people who are laughing, is the ones wondering why you think its you and your close associates, we are talking about all the time, when in reality we could no give a damn about them. "Birds of a feather, flock together" cums to mind..... It would seem you think you can say what you like about me, but when I fight back wih the real truth, you cant take it, I have nothing against you, as a matter of fact, I am growing to like you, the more tolorant you become..

 

I think some of you guys need to get a reality check and leave Pattaya for a while and mix with some genuine people, see what’s happening back in he West…..If you did not know because you have been far to long stuck in Pattaya, for what ever reason, with out a break, White Sox and Sandal refers to the Ugly Betty syndrome, some people that have been referred to as librarians, Mummy’s Boys who can be even in here 60s...or many people who just want to take the attention of their head and face, as they are very self conscious it is looks ugly,

 

Of course if the cap fit you must ware it, but can you tell me where I mention any one in particular, and its no good writing to me, as I have up to now had 7 emails and P.m’s saying I’m referring them or their Group, no I’m not, this reference is continually used in TV Programs, The News and many other magazines articles, referring to no one in particular, apart from Ugly Betty and similar types, who may or may not know who they are.

 

As proven with the lies written on many Gay Forums about people, from hear-say, or some one who has a grudge about some one, they turn an ounce of truth, in to complete reversal of fabrications, now this is what should be stopped, unless they can show proof, even then there is 2 sides to every story, what has It got to do with Gay Thailand, even I have been sent Post written about me, some always written by the same demented people, I say its what comes with fame. And the provocative way I write, I just have to take It as a compliment, but I does amaze me how some people just love to believe it.

[Gaybutton]

my advise to you GB is be very careful who you mix with, they are obviously trying to poison your mind. The only people who are laughing, is the ones wondering why you think its you and your close associates

 

Your advice to me? Ok, when I feel in need of advice or in need of an antidote to mind poisoning, you'll be the first one I'll call. I don't think I wrote anything that says I believe I'm included in your "White Socks Brigade." Whether I am or not is a matter of indifference to me. However, I do think it's a reference to some of my friends, especially one in particular who you have a history of consistently taunting by writing about his white socks and sandals, along with writing about "a dead racoon on his head," "Memories Mafia," and your idea of art work: (__o__). Is that your idea of humor? I'm still trying to figure out what he ever did to you or why the animosity has dragged on for years instead of shaking hands and making up.

 

That is why I assumed when you posted asking GayThailand not to include the "White Socks Brigade," if he hosts another party, you meant that very same person and anyone who is a friend of his ought to be excluded. GayThailand has had both you and this "White Socks Brigade" at one of his parties before. If I jumped to the wrong conclusion, very sorry. Did I jump to the wrong conclusion?

 

As a matter of fact, I'm somewhat surprised you believe I thought I'm included in that "brigade." You did ask him to invite controversial people. Who is more controversial than you and me? It will certainly be a very interesting party if we're both invited. People will be champing at the bit to see whether we try to kill each other or whether we sit down, talk, have a good time, and end up as friends.

 

That could actually happen. To the best of my recollection, you and I have spoken a grand total of once, and that was only for about five minutes, and it was at one of GayThailand's parties. People keep saying our message board personalities and our actual personalities are completely different. It would be interesting to find out.

 

Well, at least I know I'm not included in your "Memories Mafia" considering I haven't even been to Memories in over four years.

[PattayaMale]

The original thread was called "Cost of a party in Party Town Pattaya". So what I still don't understand is if white sox and sandals will be required to attend this party or not. Maybe GayThailand should start a poll about this. My vote would be for white sox..............

 

Outside that, may I suggest that GB and earwig PM each other until they get his problem settled.

[Gaybutton]

Outside that, may I suggest that GB and earwig PM each other until they get his problem settled.

 

That won't be necessary. As far as I'm concerned, it's settled.

[Guest ear wig]

Your I don't think I wrote anything that says I believe I'm included in your "White Socks Brigade." Whether I am or not is a matter of indifference to me. However, I do think it's a reference to some of my friends, especially one in particular who you have a history of consistently taunting by writing about his white socks and sandals, along with writing about "a dead racoon on his head," "Memories Mafia," and your idea of art work: (__o__). Is that your idea of humor? I'm still trying to figure out what he ever did to you or why the animosity has dragged on for years instead of shaking hands and making up.

 

Yes may be this is part of your problem GB, you don’t seem to have 'empathy' enough, to put your self in some ones else’s position.

You did ask ?

 

Lets put it this way, if guy A) (__0__) was writing about GayPattaya and was so desperate, because he does not know many people or is not trusted with Information as he is such a terrible gossip….and another insect was getting all the hot scoops....(__0__) had only really 2 people who heard bits of news and one got tired of (__0__) every Sunday visits, trying to pick his pickeled brain…, to ask if they had any news about any one or anything in Gay Pattaya to report, and one of those persons was an alcoholic, who was trying to con some one out of money, while he was waiting for his Hotel business to sell....then A) spread around in a post via “Catty” Queen B) because he is not man enough to do it himself…..may be this is the reason he does not throw away the dead racoon he wares.... Saying a certain persons water and electric bill, is being refused to pay…. because when he booked in there was no mention of water and Electric extra and no one else had ever paid it. As you never do in a Guest House, but when you can get a condo, for half the price, if you want extra services. Also he wrote on a post he has no passport or visa as he was renewing his passport and it took 5 weeks, very dangerous as any one could be arrested in this time.

 

So how would you react Mr. Gaybutton and these are the people you call your very close “Buddy.” So now any time any one wants to put the knife in, they use this past info, but just exspand on it to sound better.

 

And these are the people I regularly see you associating with, so may be you don’t ware sandals and white socks, but may be you think like them or will start to the more you are ingesting their venom. If they consider them self, as you say, The White Sox and Sandal Brigade now.

 

But as you say, its all water under the bridge now?

[Gaybutton]

But as you say its all water under the bridge now?

 

I hope so. It's a bit difficult to put myself in someone else's position if I don't know what that position is. You've said your piece in your post above and if it gets deleted, I will not be the one who deletes it.

 

I think I'll stick to choosing my own friends and I'll judge them for myself, just as others judge me for themselves. Gossip is just that . . . gossip. I think most of us know that most gossip is a lot of horse dung and only other gossips care much about it in the first place.

 

I wish everyone who harbors these hatreds and disputes would make amends with each other and become friends rather than remain enemies forever. What good is that? We're all trying to live here in peace and we all want to enjoy our remaining years. It would certainly be much nicer if these squabbles and hatreds would just go away, never to return, and we could all live in harmony with each other, without having to worry about who is going to say what about whom.

 

In the meantime, I hope the personal quarrels between you and me are over and will stay that way.

 

Ok, unless you have something more to say about it, let's let this thread get back to the original topic. We've hijacked it. I apologize to all for having done that, but if what has been said here serves to create, restore, and renew friendships and does anything to end squabbles and animosities, then I'm glad we did it.

[Guest]

The main difference between a party in Pattaya and one in New York City is that those that speak English have more to talk about than “where do we go for dinner?” “Are you going to the beach today?” or “what bar are you going to tonight” and all the gossip about all the above and anyone seen there.

 

The guys at the party in NYC were all close friends and we all hung out together for several years. They are a diverse group of guys but all in there 20’s. The topic of conversation was not the stupid gossip that goes on at many dinner tables in Pattaya but the Presidential election, Darfur, Global Warming, the new Alan Greenspan book and now NYC’s gay night life has changed. We did talk about others who were not there but no one was mean spirited or gossipy. They were all matter of fact. I guess it is a generational thing. Many who end up in Pattaya have such a small circle that the topic of the conversation is the same very night. Who did what last night, what new boy is where, how the boyfriend is doing, etc. The world for many in Pattaya is limited to the circle of friends that have few things in common other than bars, boys and sex.

 

I think age plays a great deal in the gossip queens in Pattaya. Most are retired and there for life. They have little to do other than he daily routine. I fell into the same trap for a while and thought it was the norm. It took a distance to back away and realize how stupid it was.

 

The entire feud between EarWig and the others started when a member of that group started posting personal stuff about EarWig on the net. In order to find out whom that online personality was, EarWig was feeding information to different people and seeing how long it took to make the forums. He finally narrowed it down to a small group and to one person in that group. The person he thought it was is a good guy but not the poster of the information. That person was feeding the information to the one who posted it on the net and to EarWig that is the same thing. I kept telling EarWig that he had the wrong guy but refused to tell him who the right guy was. This went on for months and things got nastier and nastier. The longer it went the worst it got. Many in Pattaya base friendship on what you can do for them or what side you take in these issues. I chose to stay out of it and not help either side but was given the choice from members of the group to either choose them or EarWig. I chose EarWig. Now, of course the rumors are that he is blackmailing me to be his friend. That is not true. I just remember when the posts started to get nasty and it was not EarWig who was nasty. He eventually did get nasty and vindictive and his posts were personal and mean. I think he did this to get to the one behind many rumors that were being posted about his personal life on the net. Yes, when your information is posted on the net it is personal and it can get nasty and that is a dangerous situation. I asked that the parties stop the postings but no one listened. I tried reason and I tried telling them the dangerous aspects of the games being played. No one listened. So, that feud continued and to this day it is not over. If you read the other sites, you will see that EarWig is still attacked and he retaliates. It is dangerous and stupid.

 

For me, I distanced myself from those that were against EarWig not because he was right in his postings as he was nasty at times and did some things uncalled for. But, others decided that I was not allowed to be friends with them and Earwig and I was forced to choose. I did. I chose the one who was most honest with me, thus why I still stick up for EarWig to this date. He is not perfect by any means. We are all flawed. His posts are sometimes over the top but when asked, he tones them down.

 

The entire drama only existed because EarWig made a few posts about beating the scoop on Sonny of Sunnee Plaza of the old pattayagay reports. That created the tension and the men with little to do other than talk and let things boil over keep getting worst and the postings from all parties kept getting nastier.

 

I wish the entire mess would just stop. I think it would if each group and party just stopped posting about the other group. And yes, every one knows the writing styles of the pussies involved and that create one screen name after another to fuel the flames. Let it end Let it stop.

 

Personally, I have lost many friends over this that was not necessary. When I look back at my party in New York City, there is not one 20 something year old that would ever get involved in any of this shit. It almost appears that those that move to Pattaya regress as opposed to progress in their discussions. Start a book club. Get involved in the charities that are in Pattaya. Stop the daily routine and stop to enjoy the wonders that you have in Pattaya. I don’t think there is a more amazing place on earth. But, the message boards should be for information to get shared and not for the childish games. They should not be your life obsession. It is a place to communicate and not to live.

 

Please, everyone, on both sides, just stop. Take to your friends who still post nasty shit and ask them to refrain. Let this feud die. Many play a part in this but it only takes a few to put an end to it. For all of us, please just stop.

 

 

[Gaybutton]

For all of us, please just stop.

 

Amen!

 

Well . . . I'm glad we're getting back to the original subject of this thread.

 

I also say stop it. Just stop it. Enough. For crying out loud, even kids who get into arguments and fights are friends again three days later. They seem know better than adults who let it go on and on and get nastier and nastier.

 

I know damned well that everyone involved is reading this thread. We'll see who starts it up again first. I hope nobody will.