Guest EXPAT Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 This site has real-time updates on the results in New Hampshire if you are interested. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/map-new-hampshire-primary-2012-results_n_1195374.html?1326239810&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 All networks have projected Mitt Romney the winner of New Hampshire. MSNBC has also projected that Ron Paul will come in second place. That makes the first time ever that a Republican candidate won both Iowa and New Hampshire. That is huge momentum going into the rest of the primaries. Quote
Members Lucky Posted January 11, 2012 Members Posted January 11, 2012 Wow. I don't even think of these things while traveling. Enjoy guys,I have things to do here! Quote
Members Lucky Posted January 11, 2012 Members Posted January 11, 2012 Since it is Wednesday here, we already have the results. Romney wins, big. Paul,at second, and Huntsman at third, can't do much with their wins. Gingrich is probably toast now. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted January 11, 2012 Members Posted January 11, 2012 That makes the first time ever that a Republican candidate won both Iowa and New Hampshire. That is huge momentum going into the rest of the primaries. Let's wait for SC before we anoint Romney. I take exception that Romney 'won' Iowa. I do concede without any difficulty that he tied for first place. After all, the score is not the number of votes but the number of delegates won. He shared an equal number with Santorum. These are not popularity contests but delegate contests. Anyone want to seriously argue that a difference of one vote or eight out of 100,000 votes means anything concrete unless it bestows some concrete accomplishment over the competitors? It is so American that all things get reduced to the concept of winning as it applies to a ball game. Some issues are a little more complex. Having said that, the die probably will be cast for Romney in Florida although he will have to slug it out for a couple of months unless all other candidates fold their tents. The new GOP Primary Rules take a page from the Dems Primary book with proportional allocation of delegates, not winner take all. Paul will stay in and probably Santorum if the is the one Social Conservatives coalesce behind. Quote
Members Lucky Posted January 11, 2012 Members Posted January 11, 2012 We should start saving our frothy mixes so that if Santorum does get the nomination, we can help people figure out who he is. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted January 11, 2012 Members Posted January 11, 2012 We should start saving our frothy mixes so that if Santorum does get the nomination, we can help people figure out who he is. I think good hygiene demands that frothy mixes get disposed of promptly after arrival, Santorum or not. I'll leave it up to individual taste how that is accomplished. Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 I take exception that Romney 'won' Iowa. I do concede without any difficulty that he tied for first place. After all, the score is not the number of votes but the number of delegates won. He shared an equal number with Santorum. While you may be technically correct, by winning the number of votes he is able to "claim" winner in all of his ads and in interview after interview. And since the American people are so easily swayed by what they hear and not the technical jargon, he jumps way out in front with those bragging rights. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted January 12, 2012 Members Posted January 12, 2012 While you may be technically correct, by winning the number of votes he is able to "claim" winner in all of his ads and in interview after interview. And since the American people are so easily swayed by what they hear and not the technical jargon, he jumps way out in front with those bragging rights. I do not believe voters are as easily led by press and candidate spin as they are by the political 'lines' they want to believe, that align with their perception of the way conditions are or should be. I doubt that most voters care about the results in Iowa with the possible exception of evangelicals. The press spins it completely out of control just as they did Bachmann's win of the Iowa Straw Poll. That sure told us a lot. I knew it was all bullshit, the press knew it was all bullshit, but they hyped it, nevertheless, because they get paid to and it gives the job a little action, even if irrelevant. Iowa is much like a broken clock that tells the right time twice a day. Yeah it gets it right on rare occasion. Is it the keen perception of the Iowa caucus goer or random chance. You decide. Virtually nobody really makes a decision based on Iowa. What it does do is get the leading candidates more hype from the press and in the succeeding states more attention from the people. Else we'll be anointing Santorum if he takes SC based on Iowa and the polling that 75% of voters prefer the nonRomney. That ain't gonna happen whether he takes SC or not. The momentum effect really starts to take effect in SC and beyond. Can the NH winner of a broad-based election, even if in a small state, pull it off in SC or Florida? If so then Super Tuesday will coronate the front runner in all likelihood. If not then the brawl continues between the top two. With the new rules it will drag on but with the winner secure, just as Obama did last time. If Romney wins SC then the Tea Party and Social Conservatives have gone belly up to the establishment. Their goals get sacrificed again to expediency or their inability to organize. I do wonder why Demint has been so low profile in this process when he was so high profile in getting Tea Partiers advanced in the 2010 election? In view of all the fire-breathing that has gone on about debt and spending and social values I'll be astonished if they roll over for Romney. A leopard can claim to be a tiger over and over but it dont make spots in into stripes. That won't be known until we see the turnout in the general election, in all probablility. Quote
Guest EXPAT Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 You have a better opinion of the American voter than I do. I think the majority of the voting public are very easily influenced by what they read and see in the news and media, hence the popularity of Fox News. . . Quote