Members Lucky Posted November 5, 2011 Members Share Posted November 5, 2011 The Daily News reports: Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and another school administrator were charged Saturday with perjury and failure to report in an investigation into allegations that former football defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually abused eight young men, state prosecutors said. Sandusky, 67, of State College, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail, the attorney general's office said. Curley, 57, and Penn State vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, both of Boalsburg, were expected to turn themselves in Monday in Harrisburg. Schultz's position includes oversight of the university's police department. Closely identified with the school's reputation as a defensive powerhouse and a program that produced top-quality linebackers, Sandusky retired in 1999. Longtime head coach Joe Paterno, who has more victories than any coach in the history of Division I football, was not charged, authorities said. When Paterno first learned of one report of abuse he immediately reported it to Curley, prosecutors said. Sandusky, who worked with at-risk children through his Second Mile organization, was charged with seven counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse; eight counts of corruption of minors, eight counts of endangering the welfare of a child, seven counts of indecent assault and other offenses. A preliminary hearing for Sandusky is scheduled for Wednesday. Attorney General Linda Kelly called him "a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys." The grand jury identified eight young men who were targets of sexual advances or assaults by Sandusky from 1994 to 2009, prosecutors said. As stunning as the charges were the names implicated at a school where the football program is known for its consistency as much as its success - a big change this year was the removal of white trim from players' uniforms. "It is also a case about high-ranking university officials who allegedly failed to report the sexual assault of a young boy after the information was brought to their attention, and later made false statements to a grand jury," Kelly said. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/penn-state-coach-jerry-sandusky-arrested-child-sex-case-ad-tim-curley-charged-perjury-article-1.972670#ixzz1crfqdGBj The NY Times provides a link to the grand jury report: Times Account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hitoallusa Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 That's unfortunate. In the old days those poor kids were not so protected and I wonder how many young kids had perished with grudge in their hearts. I hope our society evolve into a much better one so these things can't happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MsGuy Posted November 6, 2011 Members Share Posted November 6, 2011 Wish I could offer a useful insight here but I just couldn't get through the grand jury report; too creepy/depressing. Somehow all this reminds me of that Covenant House scandal a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 8, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 The scandal is exploding as calls for the resignation of the president of Penn State mount, and Joe Paterno, still coaching at the age of 84, is getting his share of criticism. He says he "did what he should" by notifying a superior. But, as one pundit points out, if had asked for a change of paint color and it didn't happen, he wouldn't have stood by as quietly as he did when nothing happened after he reported a sex offense on a child. Read what the students themselves are saying: Penn State newspaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 8, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 Well, this post really had nothing to do with the subject at hand, so I deleted it. Read the one above it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeron Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I am completely baffled that the people involved didn't call the police, from the grad student on up. For the love of mike, he says he saw the guy fucking this 10 year old kid! And he just went to the university people? I would be dialing 911! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 They kept passing the problem up the chain and up the chain did nothing. I hope the kids involved get millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 8, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 If the kids involved get millions, who pays? I read that the football program alone brings Penn State $70 million a year, so they do have the deep pockets. College football, bringing in $70 million. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 8, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 8, 2011 Breaking News: Yes, right here! The NY Times just disclosed that Penn State is negotiating the resignation of football coach Joe Paterno in light of the failure to notify police of a child molestation. Coach On The Way Out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted November 9, 2011 Members Share Posted November 9, 2011 There seems to be no legal issue with Joe Pa but only a "moral one". A lot of students "rallied" for him outside of his home last night. Of course, what do students know? Best regards, RA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Was the perpetrator fired immediately after the alleged incident happened and Paterno was told? If not, and he was only hand slapped, then yes, Paterno should be fired as well and held accountable. From what I read, the coach in question was seen having anal sex with a 10 year old boy. Paterno was told about this and reported things up the chain of command. What happened then? That coach was banned from having boys in the locker room? Was that the result? Or, was he fired? Or, was a police report filed? Regardless of Paterno reporting the incident and passing the buck up the chain of command, if he allowed this guy into his locker rooms for one more day, IMHO, he is as liable as everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EXPAT Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I see the coach has announced his retirement at the end of the season amid the scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 9, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 9, 2011 Another mystery in the case" The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years. Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year. Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared. More: D.A. Disappears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RA1 Posted November 9, 2011 Members Share Posted November 9, 2011 Was the perpetrator fired immediately after the alleged incident happened and Paterno was told? If not, and he was only hand slapped, then yes, Paterno should be fired as well and held accountable. From what I read, the coach in question was seen having anal sex with a 10 year old boy. Paterno was told about this and reported things up the chain of command. What happened then? That coach was banned from having boys in the locker room? Was that the result? Or, was he fired? Or, was a police report filed? Regardless of Paterno reporting the incident and passing the buck up the chain of command, if he allowed this guy into his locker rooms for one more day, IMHO, he is as liable as everyone else. It is not that simple. The perp had already long retired and was allowed to use the facilities as part of his "charitable" program. Think about this. After a long serving and valued employee has retired, how difficult is it to restrain him from using the facilities? Don't long known employees have a "special" regard among their peers? There is no doubt that Joe Pa regrets not following through with more inquiries and prosueing the situation. As he says, hindsight is absolute or thereabouts. I see this as simply a moral issue of whether Joe Pa should have gone forward and, he admits, he did not. However, that makes him regretful not culpable and not legally liable. He has chosen to retire and that is his hair shirt to wear. I am not defending his actions but merely trying to be reasonable about the situation. Best regards. RA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 10, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 The president of Penn State has been forced out of his $620,000 a year job, and Joe Paterno denied his wish to finish out the season. His players gave him a standing ovation as he announced his departure. Wonder how big the severance packages will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MsGuy Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 And the Board of Trustees just gave Joe Pa the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CharliePS Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I have no connection to Penn State, other than having lived in Pennsylvania for almost 40 years, but I am very saddened by the whole affair. It looks increasingly like a classic Greek tragedy, defined as the fall of a great man due to a character flaw. Paterno was unquestionably one of the greatest and most respected college football coaches, which qualifies as a great man in American culture. His intense loyalty to his institution and its members seemed to be a major virtue, but it blinded him to another responsibility, to those outside the institution who could be injured by its actions. It's easier for an uninvolved observer to see clearly what should have been done, than it is for the person in the center of the action, just as the audience for the play knows what the character should do, while he himself flounders. The metaphor of an academic institution as "family" is apt, and the theme of conflicting loyalties to family and to society is ancient and ongoing. Doing the right thing for unknown outsiders means damaging the lives of one's friends and colleagues, as well as the reputation of the institution/family itself. One may even be regarded as a traitor by the institution/family that one loves. I have no doubt that Paterno now sincerely wishes he had acted otherwise, but he didn't, and that involves paying a price now, too. I can empathize with Paterno, because I also spent my entire career working at an academic institution that became a kind of substitute family for me. But I had to constantly remind myself that it is a metaphor: an institution is not really a family, and does not deserve the same loyalty as flesh and blood. Paterno is now being forced to learn that, and at age 84, it may be unbearably painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members OneFinger Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Just when you thought things couldn't get more creepy there is now indications that the young boys were being "pimped" to charity donors. According to Mike Madden, a Pittsburgh radio host: "I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden said on the radio. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak." Read The Whole Story Then there's the rumor that Sandusky agreed to retire and Penn State agreed to a cover-up. I'm afraid we haven't heard the end of this horror story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MsGuy Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 "I hear there's a rumor..." Awfully thin gruel to support such a charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hitoallusa Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 It's unfortunate. Poor victims and they are afraid to come out. Cover ups should not be promoted and people should do what's right. It's tragic what people will do for a little bit of benefit. As in case it will get revealed sooner or later. It comforts me although it took many years to finally come out. Just don't do what not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TampaYankee Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 The president of Penn State has been forced out of his $620,000 a year job, and Joe Paterno denied his wish to finish out the season. His players gave him a standing ovation as he announced his departure. Wonder how big the severance packages will be. Your kidding yourself if you think the buck stops here. The investigation may, because the powerful elite have power. The President of a University is just a front man who is, first and foremost, a fund raiser. He really doesn't call the big shots. Try the Trustees and select Alumni. That is where decisions get made that seriously affect the University and especially its football program. Yes the visible faces will be sacrificed at a public execution. But the real power will escape unscathed or be allowed to quietly retire from the scene. That is unless a really aggressive prosecution runs with the ball and state higher-ups do not interfere. That remains to be seen. I'll place my bet on containment rather than full exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MsGuy Posted November 13, 2011 Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 Only in America (LOL and only in the WSJ) could someone take the child molesting coverup at Penn State and spin it into a homily of justification for golden parachutes for failed Wall Street CEOs. God bless America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marcanthony Posted November 14, 2011 Members Share Posted November 14, 2011 Only in America (LOL and only in the WSJ) could someone take the child molesting coverup at Penn State and spin it into a homily of justification for golden parachutes for failed Wall Street CEOs. God bless America. The author of that article is Holman W. Jenkins. I want to mention his name because I agree with you that it may be the STUPIDEST article I have ever read in my life. To take the incredible mess that is Penn State's current condition, and somehow tie it to some financial corruption with Olympus scopes in Japan, may very well be the biggest non-sequitor I have ever seen attempted. And they printed it, in a "reputable" news journal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 And they printed it, in a "reputable" news journal. The day Murdock bought the paper, I canceled with them and will never again spend money on that rag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 18, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2011 Apparently America's children have not been as protected as we all thought- and hoped- they were. The LA Times today has several articles on new scandals, including one at the military school for boys, The Citadel. There it was reported: "In 2007, a teenager alleged to Citadel authorities that [camp counselor] ReVille showed porn to boys, according to the Charleston Post & Courier. CNN reports that no one touched each other during the porn-watching session but that "sexual activity" occurred." LA Times Citadel Further, a convicted child sex offender has a job casting children in movies: Casting Director Boy Scout offender: LA Times Scout Another college scandal, say SFgate.com: Syracuse Coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
