Guest tomcal Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The plan this trip was to fly from L.A.. to Rio on American Airlines and connect with a GOL airlines flight to Porto Alegre, with a 2 hr and 15 min layover between the flights in Rio. Sounded good on paper but then reality struck! The flight out of DFW was delayed 2 hours due mechanical problem so when I arrived in Rio my flight to P.A. was already boarding and I had to go thru immigration yet! I was the first person off the plane and there was no one in line at immigration so I thought I had a chance as I only due carryon and didn’t have to wait for baggage. My friend who had flown into rio on a different flight was texting me as he was boarding telling me to hurry to gate 7. but I had to pick up my ticket for the GOL flight at their counter, I told the GOL person at the start of the line my problem and he took me to the front and said they would be able to get me on but I needed to hurry, they than swiped my AMEX card and said it was declined!(later to find out it was their computer not my card or AMEX’s fault!) so by the time this got resolved and they used my mastercard, the flight had departed! Luckily there was another flight direct in 2 hours, but I had already been flying for 13-1/2 hours and it was 11:00 in the morning, so it made the two hour delay seem a lot longer. I finally arrived in P.A. at 3:00 pm and it was beautiful weather and the cab ride from the airport to town is less than 15 minutes. We stayed at the Sheraton again, it is one of my favorite hotels! It has great rooms and beds, and is in a great part of town, the first pic below is the view from my room looking towards the large park across the street where there is great people watching as it is filled with joggers and has exercise equipment stations throughout with a lot of hot guys working out! At 5:00 we headed to Mezziniu Sauna and typically even with a map the taxi driver had a hard time finding it and we finally said “let us out here it’s only 4 blocks from where we are and we know how to get there!” Due to one way streets both north/south and east/west, it would have taken him another mins to make it there! When we got there it was already fairly busy. A cute 20 yr. old with brown hair and cute smile came over and wanted to know if he could sit at our table. Shortly thereafter, a boy who my friend had been with on the last trip showed up and sat down, he then said “my cousin is here and he likes you”, to me! I said “who” and he waves his cousin over. Short muscular 19 yr old. At this point the first boy is getting nervous he might be losing out so said “I do everything lets go to a room”! I said “let’s not rush, I need a little time to relax”! Actually I needed time to check out the other possibilities! I than ran into a guy who was 6’6” 18 yrs old and just started working there that week. He had a really great personality on top of it! The first boy is watching this so he talks to the “cousin” and they say to me “let’s the three of us go up?” I go, “3 ways are not usually that good when the boys don’t know each other well and don’t like to do things in front of each other. He said, we kiss and suck and get fucked!”…..I said “LET”S GO”! So I left the tall kid sitting there and told him I would see him later. About an hour later when I came back down, the tall guy was waiting and said “I bet I am better” lol So we had a drink together and talked for a while and went up to a room…he was right, he was better! On Friday night I would estimate there were around 40 or more clients and about the same number of boys. At 10:00 pm we left to go to Bar Mixx, the hustler bar where a lot of the sauna boys go after they leave the sauna as well as non-sauna guys who are looking to make some cash for the weekend. When we got there my friend says “How long do u think it will be before your German construction worker shows up”? we laughed as I never tell him when I am coming to town and he always knows when I arrive and always meets me in past years at the bar Era Uma Vez and now at Bar Mixx. I know he must have someone at the sauna call him when I arrive to let him know, but I have no idea who it is. He doesn’t work at the sauna and only meets me at the bar or at the hotel. Ten minutes after we got there he walks in and right over to me with a big smile on his face! We had a drink together and then headed to the hotel, since by now I had been up for about 24 hours. He stayed for about an hour and half and then left and I fell asleep and didn’t wake up until 11:00 a.m. Saturday morning!. Saturday we decided to stop by Plataforma sauna which we had heard was under new ownership. Plataforma is the older sauna in P.A. and when I originally started going there in 2004 was the only sauna in town. It is a old facility and there were not many guys working and the ones that were I didn’t find attractive so we left after about 10 minutes and went to Mezziniu sauna. Mezziniu is giving away a new motorcycle to the boy voted the sexiest or hottest sauna boy and for 6 weeks has been running a elimination contest on Saturdays with the top pick getting a cash prize and moving on to the final. This night there were 20 boys in the contestthis past Saturday, out of about 35+ that were there working. The second pic below is the guys all lined up on top of the bar being judged by a randomly selected group of 6 judges. to be con't.... 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Guest lurkerspeaks Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 To quote another poster not too long ago.. I wish I could be like Tomcal when I grow up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyOz Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Wishing I was Tomcal as well! But, since he won't trade places with me, I hope he has a fantastic trip. Great post as always Tomcal! Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 1, 2011 Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 As always, Tom, I enjoyed reading the first segment of your tome. Both pics are gorgeous, and in terms of the pic #2 I would have loved to have met the second guy from the left who has on black bathers and guy number five. Both men look rather studly! It is 5:38a in California; unfortunately I am still on Rio's time, for Barr and I arrived back in the States a week ago after being away for almost three weeks. We did Buenos Aires, Colonia (1 day), Rio de janeiro (longest time) and Paraty (2days). Barr and I also deduced the dynamics of the sauna guys (The New Meio Mundo) and Club 117) and now know why you and your friends and others of European decent seemingly have a lot of fun and activity and "friends" from your sauna experiences. A friend of Barr from Chicago visited Rio while we were there; it was his first time. He does not look like a carioca, nor is he of Asian decent. The guys at both of the above mentioned sauna were all over him when he arrived with us. Although Barr and I had guys who'd wanted to get together with us, we concluded that if you looked like a native or were not white (per se) the guys, for the most part, did not really seek you out! But again, he and I could have had if we'd desired. The above was much more apparent to us during this trip than @ any other of the ones we'd taken. We also noticed in Club 117, the blackest of sauna boys had few to no takers during the three Xs that we went. To conclude--our perception might be off, but the dynamics of the guys that we witnessed were "interesting" to say the least! Both Barr and I had fun during our five visits total to both The New Meio Mundo (which is my favorite in Rio de janeiro) and Club117 (where the guys are quite aggressive when they wish to be)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Con't from yesterday: I went up with the tall 18 yr old again and had a great time with him after we were done, we went back down to the bar area to watch the stripper/gogo boy show. The identical twins who have been dancing there for the last couple years were there again along with a 3 dancer who had a very similar build to them, They looked like triplets! this link is to one of their youtube videos taken a week ago in P.A. and sponsored by Mezzinu. We left about 10:00 and headed to Bella Italia, a Brazilian churascaria Pizza restaurant. I took OZ here and he loved it. It operates like the regular Churascarias in that the food is continuously offered to you until you turn the sign from green to red on your table. In Bella Italia, the waiters(very cute ones!) keep bringing individual slices of about 30 different kinds of Pizza and about a dozen different Pastas/raviolis. Some like the Chicken hearts pizza are surprisingly good. Chicken hearts on a skewer are very popular in the regular Churascarias as well. You than change the sign to Desserts and they start bringing dessert pizzas to you table and they are amazing, Oz can vouch for that! We got to Bar Mixx at about 11:30 and it was pretty full with about 25 working guys there, about 50/50 sauna boys to non sauna working guys. we were sitting on one of the sectional curved sofas they have in the bar area and two guys came over and sat near us and kept looking over and after about 2 mins. one say “Americanos?” When I said yes, they both got a big smile and sled over on the sofa next to us and started asking us where we were from followed by “u like sex?” lol I told they I didn’t like the Spartan rooms they rent at the bar and would rather go to the hotel…both were 19. Sunday morning we headed to the airport for the flight to Rio. This trip we again decided to rent a apartment rather than stay in a hotel. It was a good decision! The apartment we rented is in a great location in Ipanema, two blocks from the beach and 1 block from the gay street/area of Farme de Amoedo. There are quite a few gay or gay friendly restaurants on this street. We are 3 blocks from the subway stop, across the street from the Citibank ATM which is important! and most importantly the Apartment we rented advertises as having a“liberal guest policy”! The apartment is 2 bedroom /2bath, with full kitchen, laundry room and fair size living room. Sundays used to be, up until last year, a good night at 117 since it is closed on Mondays, but the last two trips it was not good on Sundays although a caveat should be given here, if you have never been to a Brazilian sauna and went there on a Sunday night you would probably think it was good, there were about 15-20 guys there, but most were not the quality you expect to find there. We left without hiring anyone!! We then went to Pointe202 and was basically the same situation! Sundays have turned into a poor night at the saunas(MeoMundo is closed on Sundays) Monday night we went to Meo Mundo at 5:30 and it was very busy! Many boys and clients. I had previously made plans to meet the Twink with what can only be described as a gigantic dick from the 3 way on the last trip to again do some 3 ways! Before I left home we had talked about him looking for some cute bttm boys for us to tag team, but it is challenge to find bttms that can take a 10 – 11” beer can thick dick, but when they can it’s amazing! We met up and started looking, there were at a minimum 40 boys working and probably closer to 50. The first two guys he selected were not my type(I know that’s almost impossible to believe )All of the sudden I saw a guy who I hadn’t seen in about a year, very handsome with a great smile, I said “will you be passive with him?” he looks and smiles and says “YES”! We went upstairs and all made out for awhile and then mutual cock sucking ‘until he was excited enough to attempt what looks like the impossible! but he did it! and we are meeting this afternoon at the apartment for Round 2! This afternoon came and after walking around Ipanema beach got back to the apartment at 3:30 as the "boys" were due at 4:00. Right on time the doorbell rang, now the one guy I have known for about a year, I met him at Meo Mundo when Oz and i were there last year, he is a toned slim guy with nice biceps and great face. I always thought he had a extremely tight ass so I had no idea why he thought he would be able to bottom for this twink. They went in and showered and then we all got into bed and started playing around for about 20 minutes and than the twink broke out the lube and I looked at the other boy and he motioned for me to come close and says "kiss me". We started making out but I was watching out of the corner of my eye for when the first attempt was going to be made as I thought sure he would end up biting my lip off! But...he took it with hardly a whimper and continued making out, we switched positions back and forth and before we knew it, it was after 6:00pm and I had to get going to Club 117 as Tues is a big night there. We made arrangements to repeat on Thursday afternoon and Friday night at the sauna, so I am assuming the guy who bottomed liked it! Went to 117 at 7:00 and it was the most packed I have ever seen it in 10 years!! I ran into Iphguy and we were able catch up and I think he agreed it was one of the best nights there ever! It would be hard to estimate, but I would guess at least 50+ boys and at least that many clients. to be con't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 2, 2011 Members Share Posted November 2, 2011 My eyes drool over the pics, and glaze over the lack of white space in the stories. I realize I am a party of one on this, but paragraphing has its purpose! Yes, it does! Even for young guys. Not to mention old guys. Like me... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 Tom, Barr and I went to Club117 on a Friday night as well as on two other nights, and on this particular Friday--it became quite, quite packed. There were lots of "sauna boys" as well as a variety of clients. Also on this night, they had a horrible show in the packed lounge and played bingo in which I chose NOT to participate. AFTER the show I went back into the non smoking lounge with stage and bar, and the place had emptied out completely and filled with crap all over. The poor guy cleaning up had his hands full. So when you alluded to the crowd, the preceding image and account came to mind! Would you mind giving us the contact information for the apartment? Barr and I rented an apartment in Rio this last trip, and we now much prefer this type of living as opposed to being booked into a hotel in certain cities. Apartment living gave us so much freedom. Both of us had friends and guests over, and this particular complex in Copa had an open guest policy. If the guests were friends of Barr, he would leave their names with the doorman; that way the guys just presented themselves and came up to the 10th floor. The same happened in Buenos Aires; Barr and I shared a 2bd apartment with en suite baths on the 27th floor of this fabulous and beautiful complex! Both of us loved this penthouse, and we DID NOT have to pay "an arm and leg," but if it had been in Rio, we would have had to dole out a lot of money! Thanks for segment #2; now I eagerly await for #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EXPAT Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I suspect Tomcal is doing this from a smartphone and not a computer which makes it harder to do spacing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 not enough time for a long post as the afternoon threesome is due here any minute. Here is a pic of a new guy I met last night, great time, coming to spend the night tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 A picture says a thousand words- and no need for spacing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihpguy Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 A picture says a thousand words- and no need for spacing! Tuesday night at 117 was really very nice. Very packed. Lots of newbies and many older timers. One of my first in 2003, Flavio is still there with his muscle tee covering the flabby abs. So was Lindomar from 2006 via Curitiba. When I first met him, he was pretty thin. Not now. He was on his first trip to Rio, on vacation from his bank teller position. Not now. And then, who is in the dry sauna. Our "favorite Anderson" Oy. Vay. The man was lost two nights ago. Chunky, heavy, needing a mansiere. The pecs have sadly turned to gordura/fat. Not pretty. I have always wondered where sauna boys go to when they get long in the tooth. Kind of like trannies. The tough ones keep on trying to sell it. Like when I met one last year near Uruguaiana and Buenos Aires. You can take the boy out of the sauna, but you cannot take the sauna out of the boy. Or something like that. However, there were lots and lots of cuties. The place was packed. At one point, 25 programas were waiting for suites. I didn't partake. Didn't know that I was still hung up on my ex-boyfriend from Duque de Caxias who works in Flamengo. He's sleeping over Saturday and Sunday nights. Seeing how it goes. Just got back from Meio Mundo. There was supposed to be a combined party to celebrate Halloween and Wednesday's holiday for the Brasilian version of Day Of The Dead. I got second-hand information. Not good. The party is actually Saturday night. Meio Mundo's decorations are way too cool. Decoration for winter with white painted birch branches in white plants. A winter wonderland backdrop and clouds of snow overhead. The stairway has been whitewashed with painted accents in black and gold. Tres elegante for what used to be the grossest sauna. They are now retiling the entry flooring in black porcelain. Very chic with the new silver entry desk. Now, once more Acir, get some bars of soap for the clients and fix the hot water. Personally, I think it is so gross to not be able to have any warm/hot water or to bring your own soap. Ditto for the boys. One can ask the locker room help to refill the dispensers, but it can take a bit of time. And, knowing Brasilians and their feelings for this sort of thing, they never are too demanding. I think I am going to need to turn mine on and drag the boyfriend in there on Saturday night before we end up in bed. And for something completely different, outside of the Brits, I have never been anywhere else where I have ever seen anyone cue up like Brasilians, or at least Cariocas. If it means anything, the metro stations have recorded messages in English that say "Mind The Gap", just like in London. Tee Hee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihpguy Posted November 3, 2011 Members Share Posted November 3, 2011 I forgot to mention the guy with the elephant trunk swinging between his legs. No exaggeration. It is enormous. Quite scary. Not is it long and thick. But it is attached to someone tall and thin, appearing even more enormous. As a former size queen, whose first lover packed 9 1/2 inches, this is not only as long or longer, I would need a tape measure to verify, but thicker. In that territory, or quite close, occupied by a find from 2004 down here, Henrique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 4, 2011 Members Share Posted November 4, 2011 I forgot to mention the guy with the elephant trunk swinging between his legs. No exaggeration. It is enormous. Quite scary. Not is it long and thick. But it is attached to someone tall and thin, appearing even more enormous. As a former size queen, whose first lover packed 9 1/2 inches, this is not only as long or longer, I would need a tape measure to verify, but thicker. In that territory, or quite close, occupied by a find from 2004 down here, Henrique. I think we saw the guy with "the inches!" I looked and looked but did not want to stare too long. I did NOT want to appear rude. Guess my politeness got in the way of what he obviously and intentionally displayed. I found it tempting but did NOT pursue!!! Did this guy have a clean shaven head? nice nips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 4, 2011 Members Share Posted November 4, 2011 On my first visit to Rio I was at Roger's sauna. A boy who spoke English was chatting me up, and since English was just what I needed, I could only gawk when a very cute boyish guy with a huge dick flashed me as he dried off. His smile was just as inviting, but I didn't want to be rude to my guy. Sad to say, I went with him for a lackluster first time in Rio, and never saw the other guy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I was going to add some info to these pics..but I thought it might be to strenuous for Lucky's eyes...so I will let the photos do the talking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Did this guy have a clean shaven head? nice nips? Nope that's not him, this is a twink 19 yrs old, with long curly hair, white, and my friends and I agree the biggest dick we have seen in Brazil..or anywhere else for that matter! He not only has the length, but really thick, and being on a 130 lb body looks all the bigger! what are nice nips as opposed to bad nips? not sure I understand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lucky Posted November 4, 2011 Members Share Posted November 4, 2011 Too strenuous for the eyes does not mean too scintillating for the brain. Sure, I may have to work harder, but I do get through them. Besides, why punish everyone else for my eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 4, 2011 Members Share Posted November 4, 2011 Too strenuous for the eyes does not mean too scintillating for the brain. Sure, I may have to work harder, but I do get through them. Besides, why punish everyone else for my eyes? :smile: :smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 It's been a few days since I posted, been kinda busy! Pointe seems about the same each night with about 18 - 20 guys working, 117 1/2 busy on Sundays at best, but Packed on Tuesdays and hour long waits for rooms! Meo Mundo packed on Mondays and Fridays and I am told usually busy on Weds, but this past Weds they were closed for a National Holiday. Tonight, Saturday, there are big Halloween parties planned for both Meo Mundo and Pointe, lot's of decorations. I am planning on going to both. I met a incredibly sweet, very cute 19 yr old at Meo Mundo a few nights ago and have seen him each day, but....met a incredibly handsome 20 yr old who I think I am falling hard for and that's not something I do! He is probably one of the handsomest guys I have seen here, muscular but not steroid body, beautiful smile SHY! When I first met him I thought he was kind of arrogant, not friendly and not really talking to anyone at our table. I than found out from a friend that he is actually shy which is a trait I normally don't associate with a guy with a face and body like that. I invited him over to the apartment the first night and while still very quiet started to open up, I then was with him the last two nights and he's amazing, I can't stop looking at him and he appears to be a really sweet guy....sooo I am coming back down in January and he is staying with me for the week! When I told this to two of the owners of Pointe and Meo Mundo they said "can't be true you are the biggest HO we have ever had here!" :-) but I think for right now I could be very happy with him, than again, I may find after 24 hours of monogomy that it's not all that appealing! we will see! the first pic is at Ipanema today, looking back towards the gay beach!(the black smokiness in part of the picture is a crack in my new iphone 4s camera lens that just appeared today! I love the phone and the quality of the videos it takes, i can't post those on here thou! I don't have model releases! lol The second pic is of a couple in front of our chairs, spooning. There were many PDA's going on all around us, much more than I had ever seen here before! You can't go 10' with out seeing a beautiful guy in a speedo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I have to issue a retraction! when I wrote yesterday "...but I think for right now I could be very happy with him, than again, I may find after 24 hours of monogomy that it's not all that appealing! we will see!" I hadn't counted on meeting a unbelievably cute 20 yr old at pointe as I was beginning to leave. It was after 10:00 and we were going to leave to go to dinner when I saw this really cute guy in a green speedo by the bar. So I stopped to say hi and not sure exactly what was said, but 10 minutes later we were in a room and he was amazing on top of being really cute! so...while I am still crazy over the guy in yesterday's post, he now has competition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lurkerspeaks Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 That sounds more like the Tomcal I know..Why settle for monogamy when you can have menage-a-trois-gamy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomcal Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 A couple of things I hate about Brazil! the military police that run the immigration stations at the airport and do work slow downs unexpectedly to get raises so what you expect to take 1/2 hour to get through the line or less usually, takes 4 hours! this has happened on three occassions to me over the years here. Secondly, the Unions! today GOL and TAM airline ticket unions called for a strike/work slowdown. We are leaving today for Sao Paulo, but the airport(santos dumont) is such a mess and flights are terribly delayed that I called American Airlines and changed my flight to Rio departure to the States rather than Sao Paulo. This means No Lagoa tonight but does mean a couple of more rounds with my two favorites at Pointe! So all in all it worked out! the flight isn't out until 11:30 tonight so I can stay at Pointe until 9:00 pm. and happens to be were the guys I liked the best are this trip! It's interesting, if you had asked me prior to this trip about Pointe, I would have said, I don't go there too often, it's my least favorite sauna, same guys all the time, too many steriod guys, etc., but this trip there were alot of new faces! The weather has been great that last 5 days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 6, 2011 Members Share Posted November 6, 2011 I have to issue a retraction! when I wrote yesterday "...but I think for right now I could be very happy with him, than again, I may find after 24 hours of monogomy that it's not all that appealing! we will see!" I hadn't counted on meeting a unbelievably cute 20 yr old at pointe as I was beginning to leave. It was after 10:00 and we were going to leave to go to dinner when I saw this really cute guy in a green speedo by the bar. So I stopped to say hi and not sure exactly what was said, but 10 minutes later we were in a room and he was amazing on top of being really cute! so...while I am still crazy over the guy in yesterday's post, he now has competition! :smile: :smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axiom2001 Posted November 6, 2011 Members Share Posted November 6, 2011 A couple of things I hate about Brazil! the military police that run the immigration stations at the airport and do work slow downs unexpectedly to get raises so what you expect to take 1/2 hour to get through the line or less usually, takes 4 hours! this has happened on three occassions to me over the years here. Secondly, the Unions! today GOL and TAM airline ticket unions called for a strike/work slowdown. We are leaving today for Sao Paulo, but the airport(santos dumont) is such a mess and flights are terribly delayed that I called American Airlines and changed my flight to Rio departure to the States rather than Sao Paulo. This means No Lagoa tonight but does mean a couple of more rounds with my two favorites at Pointe! So all in all it worked out! the flight isn't out until 11:30 tonight so I can stay at Pointe until 9:00 pm. and happens to be were the guys I liked the best are this trip! It's interesting, if you had asked me prior to this trip about Pointe, I would have said, I don't go there too often, it's my least favorite sauna, same guys all the time, too many steriod guys, etc., but this trip there were alot of new faces! The weather has been great that last 5 days! You have been blessed during the past five days! The friggin' spring weather in Rio during much of October was the mere pits! It definitely curtailed much of the outdoor activities that Barr and I had planned. Also, Brasil tends to have a holiday at least once per week. There were two of them during our two weeks while we were there. I had no place to go that had been closed as a result of these holidays, so I did NOT particularly care. But we thought it unusual as well as unique!!!! Enjoy yourself tonight and your trip back to the States, you lucky, lucky traveling man, you!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ihpguy Posted November 6, 2011 Members Share Posted November 6, 2011 You know what they say...October Showers bring November Flowers. Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...