TotallyOz Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 I stood in this room the first time with a lad I reviewed on this site. He is no longer escorting but I had such a fantastic time with him seeing Rome and all of Italy with him. We stood in this room as long as we could and I was breathless. It brought me back to Freshman year and Art History at a small Liberal Arts College and only about 15 classmates. My dream was always to visit the chapel and I did. Sensational . . . click on the link below. When it opens, use your mouse to rotate to right or left, up or down. Sistine Chapel Click it and go. So Beautiful! Quote
Members Knight911 Posted August 31, 2010 Members Posted August 31, 2010 Truly an amazing place. I was there in 1980, and just stood there in awe. Thanks for posting the link. Quote
Guest Daddy Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 I stood in this room the first time with a lad I reviewed on this site. He is no longer escorting but I had such a fantastic time with him seeing Rome and all of Italy with him. We stood in this room as long as we could and I was breathless. It brought me back to Freshman year and Art History at a small Liberal Arts College and only about 15 classmates. My dream was always to visit the chapel and I did. Sensational . . . click on the link below. When it opens, use your mouse to rotate to right or left, up or down. Sistine Chapel Click it and go. So Beautiful! It truly is a remarkable and breath-taking creation. I wonder how many homeless and starving people could have been fed and housed with the dollars spent in building such a place. I'm sure that Pope Sixtus IV is pleased. Where-ever he is today. Quote
Members MsGuy Posted August 31, 2010 Members Posted August 31, 2010 I'm sure that Pope Sixtus IV is pleased. Where-ever he is today. Last time anyone bothered to check, he was in St. Peter's Basilica in the floor in front of the monument to Pope Clement X. His nephew, Julius II, keeps him company. Sic transit gloria mundi. Quote
Guest Daddy Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 Sic transit gloria mundi. If correctly interpreted as "worldly things are fleeting" what a contradictory message the catholic church sends to the rest of the world when people are starving, homeless and war abounds. Quote
Members TampaYankee Posted August 31, 2010 Members Posted August 31, 2010 I wonder how many homeless and starving people could have been fed and housed with the dollars spent in building such a place. Brings to my mind that during the Viet Nam War Paris Peace Talks, one of the high level NV party functionaries felt it appropriate to berate and pulicly humiliate their Ambassador to France for growing flowers in the Embassy gardens rather than vegetables. He even may have been recalled as a result. Man does not live on bread alone... Catholic Church history recounts many more egregious actions toward man than building the Sistene Chapel. The same can be said for other relgions. Quote
Guest Daddy Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 Man does not live on bread alone... Yet many die needlessly due to the absence of it. Catholic Church history recounts many more egregious actions toward man than building the Sistene Chapel Yes, the list is long. Very long. I was simply siting one of them. Quote
Members MsGuy Posted September 1, 2010 Members Posted September 1, 2010 If correctly interpreted as "worldly things are fleeting" what a contradictory message the catholic church sends to the rest of the world when people are starving, homeless and war abounds. Mark 14: 3-9 Jesus is at supper in Bethany when Mary Magdalene pops in and anoints his feet and hair with oil from an alabaster vase. Some of the disciples get in a snit over the waste of a year's wages (value of the oil) and set to berating Mary. Jesus shuts them up with the famous lines, "The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me." On this slender textual foundation, the Church has justified a lot of beautiful architecture over the centuries. ---- Another Gospel version of this supper (Luke?) has Simon the Pharisee playing the role of the disciples and Jesus rebuking him for being a tight-assed killjoy. Not that that version of the story would have any application to this thread, Daddy. Quote
Guest Daddy Posted September 1, 2010 Posted September 1, 2010 Mark 14: 3-9 Jesus is at supper in Bethany when Mary Magdalene pops in and anoints his feet and hair with oil from an alabaster vase. Some of the disciples get in a snit over the waste of a year's wages (value of the oil) and set to berating Mary. Jesus shuts them up with the famous lines, "The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me." On this slender textual foundation, the Church has justified a lot of beautiful architecture over the centuries. ---- Another Gospel version of this supper (Luke?) has Simon the Pharisee playing the role of the disciples and Jesus rebuking him for being a tight-assed killjoy. Not that that version of the story would have any application to this thread, Daddy. LOL and that was very funny and "hip" MsGuy. And I'm sorry if I poisoned the thread with my disdain for the catholic church. As I stated however, the Sistine Chapel is an amazing place of beauty, peace and solace. I'ts just difficult for me at times to justify the lavish surroundings and monetary expenditures of these churches while the real mission, it would seem, becomes secondary. Maybe I'm just cranky tonight. Quote
Members MsGuy Posted September 1, 2010 Members Posted September 1, 2010 LOL and that was very funny and "hip" MsGuy. Well, I gave it my best shot but readily admit it could do with a rewrite or three. And I'm sorry if I poisoned the thread with my disdain for the catholic church. Any thread that could be killed that easily wasn't due for much of a run in the first place. I am wondering why you limit your distain to Catholics? Few churches dedicate any great proportion of their budget to feeding the hungry or clothing the naked. And G-d forbid a good christian should be caught visiting anybody in prison who was not an immediate relative. It's just difficult for me at times to justify the lavish surroundings and monetary expenditures of these churches while the real mission, it would seem, becomes secondary. My take is more that most religions are fairly good at their real mission. Hard to explain how they've persisted so long if they weren't. It's only that you and they would disagree on what their real mission is. Hint: as with most things humans get up to, it pays to watch actions more than words. Maybe I'm just cranky tonight. You stole my line. Quote
Members JKane Posted September 1, 2010 Members Posted September 1, 2010 I'm also especially disdainful of the Catholic Church, the architecture is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to citing their many hypocrisies. Though I agree much of their art and architecture is gorgeous, how much great art have they also destroyed or boxed forever? If they hadn't caused the dark ages how much more might there be? I'm not a fan of any religions really, but when you compare Jehovas' Witnesses' meager "Kingdom Halls" to a giant, imposing Catholic equivalents decked out in stained glass with a huge "god phallus" piercing the sky... it seems pretty easy to deduce the priorities of the respective religions, to me at least. But hey, you've got individual dioceses declaring bankruptcy instead of paying judgments against them for sexual abuse of children *while* the Vatican sits on literally countless priceless objects and is the world's biggest land owner. Quote
Guest Matrix Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 I'ts just difficult for me at times to justify the lavish surroundings and monetary expenditures of these churches while the real mission, it would seem, becomes secondary. You're absolutely correct Daddy. The first mission of the catholic church is the molestation of young alter boys and girls. If they'd focus less on fewer "Fleeting things" like cathedrals and self serving statues and mausoleums and more one the kids, they'd be the perfect role model for the rest of the world. I know. Booooooo. Quote