Scott Adler Arrested on Drug Charges

[Lucky]

If it is refreshing for you, Stu, I am sure someone would be willing to call you an asshole too.

Just trying to make an old man happy, you know. This thread is getting the attention it is because some don't want to see a young man's life be made any worse just because old men here get a kick out of it.

I am sure that Tampa Yankee is just as happy as I am that the old fights he refers to seem to be a thing of the past, but then a comment like that comes along and one can see how that environment existed.

[AdamSmith]

You have no idea.

Alan Dershowitz: You are a very strange man.

Claus von Bülow: You have no idea.

-- Memorable quotes from 'Reversal of Fortune' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100486/quotes

[TotallyOz]

Finally, where is the concern for Scott's welfare? Is anyone wishing him well, offering to help him through this, or provide their own experience that might inspire him to rise above the problem? Are we here to take glee in his misfortune or to be saddened that one of our own is in trouble with the law?

The fact is that few of us were going to hire Scott, so the information does not really help us make a more informed decision on that. So, I am still wondering why it is posted. Love, Lucky

I have great concern for his welfare. I do wish him well and when I get a chance to speak to him, I will offer him assistance in any way I can. I have met Scott and I liked him and yes, I have hired him. And, for those that give a shit, I would hire him again. I do not know what happened in this case and no one does but Scott. It could have been a set up. It could have belonged to someone else. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It is public news at this point and that is NOT what I wanted. It saddens me a great deal that the Village Voice took up the story and ran with it. I do believe that made it a newsworthy event.

I fell caught in the middle and as admin it is a hard place to be. You can't just repress things that you want to repress when they are in the public domain. At the same time, I do wish this thread and others would just die. I don't think they are productive and I think that everyone that had something to say has said it. I do not believe in closing threads and locking them or deleting them. If someone has relevant things to say, please speak up. But, for those that have made their point over and over again, lets move on to more positive things.

Lastly, it is pretty well known that I once owned an escort agency. I loved the job. I hated to watch boys I cared about go down the same road as Scott. It broke my heart then and it does now. When vast amounts of money are being given and life is a party it is the rare escort that is able to stay away from the scene.

Scott is a nice guy. He is a good escort. Some may not hire him because of this mess. Others will. I won't let it stop me from hiring him should he go back to escorting one day. What he does in his personal life is his own business. When it affects me as a client it becomes mine. This situation won't affect my support for him, my genuine concern for him and my desire to see him rise above this situation and become an even better person.

For me, allowing this thread and others makes me sick to my stomach. So, I guess I hope that I am able to also take the experience, learn from it and also become a better person. I have said my peace and now I will move on.

[Lucky]

I have great concern for his welfare. I do wish him well and when I get a chance to speak to him, I will offer him assistance in any way I can. I have met Scott and I liked him and yes, I have hired him. And, for those that give a shit, I would hire him again. I do not know what happened in this case and no one does but Scott. It could have been a set up. It could have belonged to someone else. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

It is public news at this point and that is NOT what I wanted. It saddens me a great deal that the Village Voice took up the story and ran with it. I do believe that made it a newsworthy event.

I fell caught in the middle and as admin it is a hard place to be. You can't just repress things that you want to repress when they are in the public domain. At the same time, I do wish this thread and others would just die. I don't think they are productive and I think that everyone that had something to say has said it. I do not believe in closing threads and locking them or deleting them. If someone has relevant things to say, please speak up. But, for those that have made their point over and over again, lets move on to more positive things.

Lastly, it is pretty well known that I once owned an escort agency. I loved the job. I hated to watch boys I cared about go down the same road as Scott. It broke my heart then and it does now. When vast amounts of money are being given and life is a party it is the rare escort that is able to stay away from the scene.

Scott is a nice guy. He is a good escort. Some may not hire him because of this mess. Others will. I won't let it stop me from hiring him should he go back to escorting one day. What he does in his personal life is his own business. When it affects me as a client it becomes mine. This situation won't affect my support for him, my genuine concern for him and my desire to see him rise above this situation and become an even better person.

For me, allowing this thread and others makes me sick to my stomach. So, I guess I hope that I am able to also take the experience, learn from it and also become a better person. I have said my peace and now I will move on.

Oz, your response is nicely put. I don't believe that we should abandon people when they are down unless they are engaging in self-destructive behavior which could put one's own situation in jeopardy. I wish Scott hadn't gotten arrested, and I also wish this controversy would all go away. But, until it does...

[Guest Luv2play]

Oz, your response is nicely put. I don't believe that we should abandon people when they are down unless they are engaging in self-destructive behavior which could put one's own situation in jeopardy. I wish Scott hadn't gotten arrested, and I also wish this controversy would all go away. But, until it does...

I believe this is my first post on this site altho I have been a member for awhile and a lurker even longer. Anyway, I just wanted to weigh in on this topic since the other site has closed the two threads on the subject.

I don't know Scott altho I engaged in debate with him on various occasions on Hooboy's site many moons ago. Additionally, when I told the members of M4M in 2007 that I was undergoing a major health crisis, I believe Scott was one of many that offered his best wishes and encouragement to me. Happily I survived and am thriving now once again.

I don't know what lies behind this unfortunate event that has befallen Scott and I think we just have to wait to see how things play out. For those in a position to do so, I would hope that they would convey to Scott that those who remember him as a member of the escort/client community, wish him the best and are thinking of him in his current plight.

[TampaYankee]

Luv2play,

I'm not sure when Scott will get to see the sentiments of support but they will be here waiting for his attention when he does have the opportunity.

It's good to see particpating over here. You are always welcome to post anytime and particpate here whenever you feel inhibited in any way over at dadddys.

I'm happy to read that your health crisis is well behind you. Congratulations and best wishes for continued sound health.

[Guest Luv2play]

Luv2play,

I'm not sure when Scott will get to see the sentiments of support but they will be here waiting for his attention when he does have the opportunity.

It's good to see particpating over here. You are always welcome to post anytime and particpate here whenever you feel inhibited in any way over at dadddys.

I'm happy to read that your health crisis is well behind you. Congratulations and best wishes for continued sound health.

Thanks for your kind words. I intend to comment on this site from time to time on subjects that interest me.

I've gone back to Scott's post in October 2007 when he said " Rooting hard for you here and am sure you'll pull through. Best of luck and a speedy recovery". As I indicated, I have never met Scott and we only knew each other through the M4M forum. I was touched by his concern then and feel that despite what charges may be pending now in his legal problems, he has a side to him that is caring and compassionate.

That's all I wanted to say and now I've said it more fully. I only wish there was a way people like me could send him a message in his time of need. Maybe those who know him personally who see this thread will convey our wishes to him. Thanks again for providing this opportunity to express our opinions on this matter which was not afforded on Daddy's site.

[manticore]

I only wish there was a way people like me could send him a message in his time of need.

Post #16 in this thread has a link to a blog that gives his inmate number and the PO Box for correspondence. (Just passing this on; I can't vouch for whether the number and address are correct.)

Thanks to the moderators of this site for keeping their cool, for responding to questions, and for not just squelching all discussion on this matter.

[Guest StuCotts]

If it is refreshing for you, Stu, I am sure someone would be willing to call you an asshole too.

Just trying to make an old man happy, you know. This thread is getting the attention it is because some don't want to see a young man's life be made any worse just because old men here get a kick out of it.

I am sure that Tampa Yankee is just as happy as I am that the old fights he refers to seem to be a thing of the past, but then a comment like that comes along and one can see how that environment existed.

What I found refreshing was discovering an aspect of TY's personality that was entirely new to me. It certainly wasn't your being called an asshole, which is not only not new, it's downright routine in some circles, if I'm to believe what I read in these pages. I have no connection with any of that, much less with what's said of you on all the many other sites that you frequent and I don't. In all candor, that's not to say I wouldn't agree with it.

Enough of this. Life is too short.

[alanalt]

It's good to see particpating over here. You are always welcome to post anytime and particpate here whenever you feel inhibited in any way over at dadddys.

Luv2play may end up having some company as I see Daddy has once again turned off his message board, apparently for a software upgrade, but also complaining about 5 escorts getting 'flamed' in the past months. As usual, Daddy names no names and cites no specific examples so people like me who often feel confusion about exactly when a 'frank discussion' becomes a 'flame' (doesn't it usually depend on the eye of the beholder?) remain unenlightened. And the innocent too often seem to get punished along with the guilty...

As for SA, I have to say that I found the attempts to block discussion on his current situation a bit like King Canute telling the tide not to rise. Given that SA wasn't publicity-shy, either under his escort or 'real' persona, it was only a matter of time before the story 'broke' once the arrest was made. Having said that, I found I understood the policy at this board as it related to the story to be much more clear and understandable than the one at Daddy's.

I don't know SA, so I have no real interest in the discussion of whether his character was as 'good' or 'bad' as his defenders/detractors maintain. I do have an interest in seeing how escorts are treated by law-enforcement when arrested/charged with other crimes and whether/how the escort's 'profession' spills over when under prosecution... So from that perspective and from the perspective of seeing how this case will impact the larger escorting and porn worlds that Scott inhabited, I'm very interested in watching events and participating in a reasoned discussion on those terms. It's obvious I can't do that at Daddy's, I hope we can do it here. I guess only time will tell...

Alan

[TampaYankee]

I don't know SA, so I have no real interest in the discussion of whether his character was as 'good' or 'bad' as his defenders/detractors maintain. I do have an interest in seeing how escorts are treated by law-enforcement when arrested/charged with other crimes and whether/how the escort's 'profession' spills over when under prosecution... So from that perspective and from the perspective of seeing how this case will impact the larger escorting and porn worlds that Scott inhabited, I'm very interested in watching events and participating in a reasoned discussion on those terms. It's obvious I can't do that at Daddy's, I hope we can do it here. I guess only time will tell...

Alan

Welcome Alan. There is no problem with your discussion interests. Scott's case has become a legitimate discussion topic. That includes court actions, legal docs, media reports, and how the case may/does have spillover, if any, in the general porn and escort businesses.

Like you, we have no interest in lending this forum for the indefinitely persistent trashing or support of Scott's character based on insider information. Information of that sort is properly presented in the review process where an issue is reported, the escort has an opportunity to respond and the process has definite closure.

Once again, welcome.

[Guest Matrix]

I am totally befuddled by the degree of hypocrisy on man can house in his own life and in his own mind.

Daddy is now trying to rewrite history.

None of the threads that he deleted about Scott Adler on his forums were ever "flaming" on Scott Adler. They were simply representative of people asking for and wanting more information.

Daddy wants his readers and members to follow the "rules". Yet, when one of his escort buddies breaks the "rules" of society, becomes a public news story and people want to discuss it, he slams the door shut on them and protects the very people who the legal justice system deems a threat to society.

The recent shut down of Daddy's forums is not about version upgrades. Had it been, a simple upgrade noticed would have sufficed.

No, this is about Daddy and his view of not only society, but his view of you and everyone else who participates on his website.

Daddy is more concerned about protecting a convicted felon and a convicted drug dealer more than he is concerned about you and your need/interest to participate in open and fair based discussions about escorts and the people who they might be.

[Guest Luv2play]

When I went to log on to Daddy's site just now I saw his notice temporarily closing the site and commenting on how 5 escorts have been "flamed" over the past several months. This puzzles me as I follow all the discussions over there fairly regularly and can't recall these so-called attacks. There may have been some sharp exchanges but nothing that really boiled over as far as I can recall.

I think Daddy is probably under a lot of pressure, we know financially he is, and this may be coloring his mood when dealing with the daily issues of running a forum. I'm trying to give him the benefit of doubt. I hope he is not tilting his treatment of the two sides as he will find that he can only lose at that game. Many of the members hire escorts on a regular basis and the escorts derive benefit from having a forum that promotes their business. But those clients want the discussion to be fair and open.

Deleting threads for no good reason and closing threads when discussions have not developed into "flame-wars" is going to turn off many members, I believe. Once confidence and trust is lost, it is hard to regain.

[JKane]

I haven't been back to the forums over there since the *last time* Daddy threw a hissy fit and shut them down. That the cycle continues isn't a surprise, but it does decide for me on the issue of donating.

[TotallyOz]

The recent shut down of Daddy's forums is not about version upgrades. Had it been, a simple upgrade noticed would have sufficed.

True.

I think Daddy is probably under a lot of pressure, we know financially he is,

I honestly doubt that. He owns a very successful site with paid ads and high rankings.

Deleting threads for no good reason and closing threads when discussions have not developed into "flame-wars" is going to turn off many members, I believe. Once confidence and trust is lost, it is hard to regain.

I doubt that as well. We have seen it several times in the past and it does not seem to faze the membership there. I doubt this is a big deal to the majority of them. IMHO

I haven't been back to the forums over there since the *last time* Daddy threw a hissy fit and shut them down. That the cycle continues isn't a surprise, but it does decide for me on the issue of donating.

No surprise to anyone but for goodness sake, lets not hold back on their ability to pay for his mortgage and pay off his credit cards. jk I know Lucky will have a nice go at me for this one but I could not resist. sorry.

[Lucky]

You'd be surprised. I don't support closing the message center just because you are grouchy. A lot of people have contributed to the make the message center the success it is and they should not be so lightly disregarded.

As for the contributions of money, well, we made our choice to support someone when he said he needed help. I don't think we want to discourage that, even if occasionally a wrong choice is made.

[TotallyOz]

You'd be surprised. I don't support closing the message center just because you are grouchy. A lot of people have contributed to the make the message center the success it is and they should not be so lightly disregarded.

As for the contributions of money, well, we made our choice to support someone when he said he needed help. I don't think we want to discourage that, even if occasionally a wrong choice is made.

Lucky, on many occasions I agree with you and on many I disagree. But, your above statement is one I highly respect. You have posted on that board and are a large part of the success it has and the money it makes and you are right, your contributions should not be taken lightly. Nor should anyone's.

Your money. Your dime. Not my business.

My money. My dime. Looking for a good time. Any suggestions from LA?

[alanalt]

Like Lucky, I think Oz might be surprised this time around. Unlike previous closures, I can't really see a reason for this one other than, as Lucky calls it, general 'grouchiness'. My biggest problem with Daddy's 'announcement' of today is that, as I said before, I found it impossibly vague. Who were the '5 escorts'? How were they 'flamed'? As a frequent reader and sometime poster on that board, I can guess some of the instances that Daddy's referring to, but however 'educated' those guesses may be, they're still only 'guesses'. And, like Luv2play, I would tend to view them as sharp exchanges, rather than 'flaming'.

Moreover, it still doesn't address larger questions like: why are entire threads removed, rather than the offending post? Why is the message centre closed to everyone without warning or plausible explanation? In short, why is 'everyone' punished for the supposed actions of a few?. And yes, that last question has been asked before, but this time, I'm almost completely in the dark about who the 'few' are and what exactly they've done...

Sure, it's Daddy's 'sandbox' and he gets to set the rules, but I'm finding (and I doubt I'm alone) that the interpretation of the rules has become increasingly vague, and the enforcement more and more arbitrary, particularly this year. And that leads to something else, a message board is more than just a 'sandbox' owned by an individual - it's a community; and any community depends on the contributions of all/most of its members to succeed. By proclaiming his willingness (almost eagerness) to 'alienate' members of that community - I think Daddy's forgotten that. I also find it quite ironic (and more than a little disgusting) for Daddy to take this approach given the way some members of the community rallied around Daddy this summer during his own self-proclaimed time of need.

So here's one person, Oz, who may not have been 'fazed' by earlier incidents over there who is changing their mind now. I suffer no illusions that my 700+ posts in 7+ years at that board constitutes a significant 'presence' there and I'm not going to cancel my account there, but I am going to stop visiting there for a while (apart from sending/receiving any PMs to friends on the board), which I suppose means you'll be seeing more of me here and on more than just the SA topic... So, consider yourself warned

Alan

[Guest jack]

Moreover, it still doesn't address larger questions like: why are entire threads removed, rather than the offending post? Why is the message centre closed to everyone without warning or plausible explanation? In short, why is 'everyone' punished for the supposed actions of a few?. And yes, that last question has been asked before, but this time, I'm almost completely in the dark about who the 'few' are and what exactly they've done...

I can help only a little. There was some exchange going on over some escort named Tommy Deluca. He got a bad review: something about a third person sitting on the sofa in the escort's apartment when the client arrived, no explanation - no introduction - no departure, and the escort continuing the appointment as if no one was there...client uncomfortable...bad meeting. Escort responds to the review with something like "not everyone can be 100% satisfied", with no reference to or explanation of the third party. Some posters criticised the escort response. Then some guy calling himself Daddy said, "Don't pre-judge: the escort is updating his response to the review." Someone asked why the escort gets to change his response after clients comment upon it in the forums. Daddy guy says, "What makes you think he is changing it because of comments?" I posted something to the effect, "Well, (1) the response still hasn't changed or been edited, (2) you know the escort intends to edit his response. Seems he was advised to change it, but can't get around to it. Time for more advice?"

So that's one. The busted escort is two. Three more to go. ;-) Why even care...

[alanalt]

Jack, I was aware of the Tommy Deluca thread - indeed, I was a participant. And while I can recall many posts (including mine) criticized the escort's handling of the situation, I don't recall any posts (including yours) that I would classify as 'flaming' the escort in question, which was Daddy's underlying reason for closing down the board. Bottom line is you're guessing that was one of the 5 instances Daddy referred to, but you don't know that for sure any more than I do...

And as for why I care, it's because I spent many hours reading and posting messages at that board over a seven year period (even longer as a lurker) and I hate to see an activity that I long enjoyed participating in ruined without even knowing the reason why...

Alan

[Guest Luv2play]

I found the spat over Tommy DeLucca a bit ridiculous. We all know that the way the review process works over at Daddy's is that the escort gets the last word when a review may be critical of his performance. No-one has a problem with that as far as I am aware.

So when a client complained in his review of Tommy (who is a generally well reviewed escort) that there was a stranger sitting in the livingroom of Tommy's apartment working on a laptop (this was part of a general complaint that Tommy was perfunctory and seemed to rush the client through his appointment), Tommy replied that he tried to offer a great experience but couldn't please 100 percent of the folks. What Tommy didn't say was why there was a guy sitting in the livingroom and how this might have discomfitted the client. No apology was offered.

This scenario led to a spirited debate on the etiquette of escort encounters on an in-call basis, including some humorous comments by one poster that he had turned such incidents to his advantage. However, Daddy saw fit to intervene in the debate when some criticized Tommy and said they would have walked out. I thought Daddy was out of place here and shouldn't have taken sides. But he appeared to be defensive when someone suggested that the escort's last word was perhaps not really the last word if Daddy saw otherwise.

At this point Daddy suggested someone was calling him a liar. I felt Daddy lost it at that point. This is my impression of what transpired and I think it unfortunate that this led to the shutdown of the site. We'll have to see how Daddy handles this but I think he has a job on his hands to reassure the members that he is being even-handed in his hosting functions on the site.

[Lucky]

"We'll have to see how Daddy handles this but I think he has a job on his hands to reassure the members that he is being even-handed in his hosting functions on the site."

It does seem that he is reacting to stresses that are not from the board, as what is happening on the board does not call for such a reaction.

[TotallyOz]

It does seem that he is reacting to stresses that are not from the board, as what is happening on the board does not call for such a reaction.

That is called insanity. You can't let your personal stresses affect your business decisions. It is not smart and poor judgment. It must be more to the story than that.

[TampaYankee]

... but I think he has a job on his hands to reassure the members that he is being even-handed in his hosting functions on the site.

I disagree. The reason: I've seen all of this before... many times. The erratic behavior and treatment of posts, threads and members. The precipitious closing of the forum without warning. Many times. I have also seen most posters always return every time.

There were reasons Oz, I and marcanthony and others left. It wasn't out of whim. For all of us, the reasons were rooted in the management style and operation of that site -- a style which hasn't changed nearly five years later. Nor should anybody have expected any different. I said at our site inauguration and many times since that " people get whatever they are willing to settle for". History has proven what was always obvious to me. So it will again.

[Guest TNTTed]

I disagree. The reason: I've seen all of this before... many times. The erratic behavior and treatment of posts, threads and members. The precipitious closing of the forum without warning. Many times. I have also seen most posters always return every time.

There were reasons Oz, I and marcanthony and others left. It wasn't out of whim. For all of us, the reasons were rooted in the management style and operation of that site -- a style which hasn't changed nearly five years later. Nor should anybody have expected any different. I said at our site inauguration and many times since that " people get whatever they are willing to settle for". History has proven what was always obvious to me. So it will again.

TY, I think you're right. Frankly, I've never seen any indication that he even cares about how he treats forum members. Indeed his comments are almost always brusque, very often condescending, and seldom enlightening. About the only thing he's clear about is that it's his sandbox and if you don't like the way he runs it you can leave. Apparently not many do.