Scott Adler Arrested on Drug Charges

[TampaYankee]

Bruce Vilanch's Assistant Arrested For Coke Dealing

By Michael Musto

See story at:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/archives/2009/10/bruce_vilanchs.php

[MsGuy]

Well, that's certainly one way of answering my question!

[Lucky]

So now are we free to discuss this issue at length simply because it was published in a New York weekly's gossip column? There are no facts here that we didn't know already, but simply publishing the facts makes it okay? Why was the court record not okay? It said the same thing.

I am not defending Scott Adler's behavior, I am simply wondering why we want to now allow those who don't like him to go at it. If Scott publishes the list of his customers, can we talk about that as well?

What if I say that an escort directly sold drugs to me, hand to hand, is that up for discussion? It's widely known that drugs are rampant in the gay community, and it follows that escorts probably use drugs, and it also follows that many clients use drugs with escorts. That would make for a more productive subject of conversation than the tale of one escort arrested for the same.

Let's not vilify the one who got caught, because that's only the tip of the iceberg.

[TampaYankee]

So now are we free to discuss this issue at length simply because it was published in a New York weekly's gossip column?

This story has evolved from gossip to purportedly-authortative speculation to a public news story in a recognized reputable publication. Michael Musto has put his professional reputation on the line that this story has factual legs. He is a known quantity with public reputation from a recognized mainstream media outlet.

Like it or not the story is out. Scott has become a public personality, whether through his own actions or the actions of others, with no reasonable expectation of privacy at this point. As a news story it is fair game for fair and responsible discussion about the case history and legal proceedings. It will not be a forum for personal agendas and abuse per our Site Policy.

[Guest StuCotts]

It will not be a forum for personal agendas and abuse per our Site Policy.

Sounds good to me, though it likely won't to the nit-pickers and agenda-pushers.

It seems to me that in the swirl around this topic you've expended inordinate time and energy defending your judgment, which to my mind doesn't need all that much defending. Unless I misread, nobody laid a glove on you.

[TownsendPLocke]

This story has evolved from gossip to purportedly-authortative speculation to a public news story in a recognized reputable publication. Michael Musto has put his professional reputation on the line that this story has factual legs. He is a known quantity with public reputation from a recognized mainstream medai outlet.

Like it or not the story is out. Scott has become a public personality, whether through his own actions or the actions others, with no reasonable expectation of privacy at this point. As a news story it is fair game for fair and responsible discussion about the case history and legal proceedings. It will not be a forum for personal agendas and abuse per our Site Policy.

Oh goodie! Now anytime I spot any poster from this board I will be able to post his real name and personal Information!

This is a very bad move IMO.ALL posters should feel secure and free from fear of someone disclosing their personal information.This should apply to escorts as well as clients.

[TampaYankee]

I understand that some people have different views and may even be upset. What I don't understand are these non sequitur, almost emotional, responses. It seems to be a West Coast thing.

[Lucky]

Oh don't get snitty and make it a west coast thing. What if the gossip column announcing this arrest had been Perez Hilton, would you still have gone forward? The fact is that their are court records detailing the charges. No, they do not use Scott's escort name, but the fact is that most of us know his real name. Thus the court records would have met your criteria that the information be published before you let it be written about here. In fact, they are the most accurate records available.

I realize that this whole situation has been difficult for you as administrator, but the criterion you have used for allowing it to go forward here just does not make sense. Even if it did, what justifies you using the pictures from the Village Voice? Do they add anything here?

Finally, where is the concern for Scott's welfare? Is anyone wishing him well, offering to help him through this, or provide their own experience that might inspire him to rise above the problem? Are we here to take glee in his misfortune or to be saddened that one of our own is in trouble with the law?

The fact is that few of us were going to hire Scott, so the information does not really help us make a more informed decision on that. So, I am still wondering why it is posted. Love, Lucky

[TampaYankee]

Oh don't get snitty and make it a west coast thing. What if the gossip column announcing this arrest had been Perez Hilton, would you still have gone forward? The fact is that their are court records detailing the charges. No, they do not use Scott's escort name, but the fact is that most of us know his real name. Thus the court records would have met your criteria that the information be published before you let it be written about here. In fact, they are the most accurate records available.

I realize that this whole situation has been difficult for you as administrator, but the criterion you have used for allowing it to go forward here just does not make sense. Even if it did, what justifies you using the pictures from the Village Voice? Do they add anything here?

Finally, where is the concern for Scott's welfare? Is anyone wishing him well, offering to help him through this, or provide their own experience that might inspire him to rise above the problem? Are we here to take glee in his misfortune or to be saddened that one of our own is in trouble with the law?

The fact is that few of us were going to hire Scott, so the information does not really help us make a more informed decision on that. So, I am still wondering why it is posted. Love, Lucky

Of course it is a West Coast thing, as manifested here so far anyway. If it is broader then it has yet to establish itself as such.

Your comment shows that you do not understand the criteria. Lord knows I have posted it here and elsewhere in great detail

Where are your well-wishes for Scott or your offer of help? (Those who live in glass houses...) Also, his circumstances have only been open for discussion less than a day. You seem quick to make judgment of all of us here and me in particular.

I'm sorry, I have no personal experience to draw on in order to offer inspiration. I must have missed your own exposition somewhere. For those that might, they may not wish to share that experience with all of us. Perhaps you can post contact information for Scott to facilitate private communications of support?

Even though I don't know Scott I do wish him the best. I certainly take no glee in his misfortune. Please point out where I gave you that impression. In addition, it seems you missed my clear admonition about using this forum for abuse and pursuit of personal agendas with regard to Scott, or anyone else for that matter. It is always disappointing, disheartening and sad to see a young person with so much potential get into a difficult spot whether of his own making or not. It is sad to see any young life wasted or significantly sidetracked and stained with considerable baggage going forward. I felt the same way for Harlow Cuadra. That doesn't diminsh the fact that anyone doing the crime has to do the time.

As far as I'm concerned Scott is innocent until proven guilty. Anywhere I've posted I have held out the possibility that he could have been set up. I don't know it. I don't know that he wasn't. I understand that the has his share of detractors, if not enemies. I'm content to wait for the trial.

The fact is that Scott has become a public figure in the mainstream press. That is unfortunate for him. You may not like it. Write Musto about it, don't piss and moan here. I suspect the real interest at that level is the Vallanch angle but that really doesn't matter as everything is out in the open with Scott as the centerpiece.

Speaking of Harlow Cuadra, where was your outrage and cloth-rending compassionate appeal for him and Joseph Kerekes after they had been dragged through the press time and time again, made the subject of long threads here and at daddys, in addition to elsewhere?

Finally, Scott has become an open news story. With that his privacy and any expectation to it is gone. That is a fact, any other idea is fiction. To prohibit members from following and commenting on the story doesn't preserve Scott's privacy at this point. It only punishes members who have an interest and wish to follow the story.

Many members are interested in the case. Some because they know him, others because they know of him. Some concerned about him, others curious for whatever reason, just as in the Cuadra case. It is not our place or desire to adopt a paternalistic attitude that dictates what issues our members can and cannot discuss here when it is an open story available to everyone else. That does not serve our members interest, in our opinion.

We are dedicated to preserve privacy when there is privacy to preserve. However, we do not exist in a vacuum. The line between private and public is not absolute. We draw the line when a story hits the mainstream press. We could arbitratily dictate what members can engage in here, regardless of facts and practical considerations. We choose not to treat our members that way. We believe that is a measure of respect for our members. We believe they deserve that. I suspect most would agree.

Every now and then you ride into town on your high horse, with a burr up your ass, making semi-emotional comments exhibiting barely contained outrage about some issue or another. The history is there. Often as not, your back not too long afterward offering a semi-apology or better. The history is there. I don't expect any apology down the road nor do I seek one. I only bring it up to point out your volatility in these cases. What I do want, though, is to know where you get that high horse. I think I want one. Lucky, you remain always welcome even if we sometimes upset you.

A little bit of tough love... TY

P.S. My comment regarding non sequiturs in another post expresses my wonder that some posts are made as if what had gone before them never existed. How can that be?

[Lucky]

"Lucky you remain always welcome even if we sometimes upset you."

When Oz says that I tend to believe him. You've had it in for me ever since you named me "asshole of the day" over at Hooboy's. Nice of you to avoid most of the points I raised. Incidentally, I have expressed myself on this over at the other site in case you care to see what I have said.

[Guest Matrix]

The fact is that their are court records detailing the charges. No, they do not use Scott's escort name, but the fact is that most of us know his real name. Thus the court records would have met your criteria that the information be published before you let it be written about here. In fact, they are the most accurate records available.

Leave it to Lucky to be seen as the biggest hypocrite and elephant in the room EVER TO DATE...

Just look at what he said over at his ass crack licking (moderating wannabe Daddys) website....:

Well, I'm sorry. I wanted to cut and paste it over here now - but surprisingly, to my aghast - it's gone, vanished. Like it never existed. Isn't that convenient for you Lucky?

The fact is that Lucky embraced Daddy (who didn't) AND chastised The Village Voice (who did) and now you MER (who did as well) to task for publishing this story with the same spineless accord he stands for IN EACH CASE during the most difficult of cases. He's a retired attorney? I now fully understand why..........

The problem with Lucky's argument here and now is that he is now using against YOU his very argument which he argued with For with Daddy. (ass lick...ass lick)

Lucky is as only lucky as the ilk that visit his words are ignorant on Daddy's site. In other words..He speaks out of both sides of his ass. And seeing that.......Well nevermind that.

How dare he chastise this MER management while on the other hand, and mouth, he supports the opposing sites point of view to a tee..

Lucky is the type of person who I grew up hating as a gay youth. He was all over you when it fed his needs, and then without haste or warning, he was fucking the girl that rejected you because of him to begin with. That's the game Lucky plays. I want to be somebody..and it matters not to me what I do or say to become that.

If this isn't so.....He should explain this reversal of his character immediately. Not only to MER but To Daddys readers as well.

Lucky is what hate and controversy is all about. You just need to be a part of it to know it and how it feels.

Stiriing the pot of conversation is one thing lucky, but doing it with one site's dick in your ass while sucking on another site for attention, is what most would consider......DESPERATE.

[TampaYankee]

"Lucky you remain always welcome even if we sometimes upset you."

When Oz says that I tend to believe him. You've had it in for me ever since you named me "asshole of the day" over at Hooboy's. Nice of you to avoid most of the points I raised. Incidentally, I have expressed myself on this over at the other site in case you care to see what I have said.

Well, you were that day! Hands down. But you are not beyond redemption as I attempted to explain. you sometimes walk yourself back out of the dark abyss.

I really 'don't have it in for you'... well maybe that day. If I did then I would send you limburger-cheese-flavored potato chips for Valentines Day.

[TampaYankee]

Leave it to Lucky to be seen as the biggest hypocrite and elephant in the room EVER TO DATE...

Matrix,

Lucky is free comment as his heart and head dictate. You also are free to comment on his remarks. However, it is my impression that some of your remarks border on personal attack. If I understood them better I might have a more definitive view. Please keep all discourse free of personal invective and as objective as possible. It makes for a more cogent argument that we all can follow. If you are compelled to express emotional remarks it is better to describe your own frustrations than the other person's perceived personal shortcomings. Thanks.

[TampaYankee]

"Lucky you remain always welcome even if we sometimes upset you."

When Oz says that I tend to believe him. You've had it in for me ever since you named me "asshole of the day" over at Hooboy's. Nice of you to avoid most of the points I raised. Incidentally, I have expressed myself on this over at the other site in case you care to see what I have said.

If you don't have the forthrightness to repsond to me over here that is your call. I'm not concerned that you are telling on me over there. We are an open book, no secret handshakes to get in. I know many over there are readers here. Word gets around. Probably the bigger news is that you felt compelled to tell on me.

You remain welcome always, we take family as they come. I hope that applies to me as well.

[Lucky]

If you don't have the forthrightness to repsond to me over here that is your call. I'm not concerned that you are telling on me over there. We are an open book, no secret handshakes to get in. I know many over there are readers here. Word gets around. Probably the bigger news is that you felt compelled to tell on me.

You remain welcome always, we take family as they come. I hope that applies to me as well.

I appreciate that I am welcome over here. Everyone knows who I am and what I believe in. I do not use names that disguise who I am to attack other posters. I am sorry if you felt that I told on you, but you did believe what you said, didn't you?

The Scott Adler situation is now out in the open and will be dealt with by the courts. In the meantime, those who take glee in his situation will make their joy known with an endless supply of nasty remarks. Personally, I don't know if he was selling drugs or not. I think Scott is a smart kid who could have a great future if he didn't let himself make big mistakes while young. But he is not the only one here with fault. If he sold drugs, those who bought from him are just as guilty. Rather than take glee in his situation, they should wonder how to get their own lives back together.

There was a time when Scott and I were at each other's throats.. As he got to know me, our relationship improved. Maybe someday that will happen with Tampa Yankee too. I am always open to making new friends.

[Guest Matrix]

Matrix,

Lucky is free comment as his heart and head dictate. You also are free to comment on his remarks. However, it is my impression that some of your remarks border on personal attack. If I understood them better I might have a more definitive view. Please keep all discourse free of personal invective and as objective as possible. It makes for a more cogent argument that we all can follow. If you are compelled to express emotional remarks it is better to describe your own frustrations than the other person's perceived personal shortcomings. Thanks.

Thank You Tampa Yankee for taking sides. There really was no reason for you to take a personal side in my commentary toward Lucky. But you chose to do so, absent any of your members here doing so.

So Allow me to say this. Lucky needs no defending - Nor did The Criminal Trial Of Scott Adler when you chose to do so and then was forced thru a higher intelligence to recant your policies and beliefs.- And then recanted your policy because of you're enlightened knowledge of it.

Personal attack deleted.

[TampaYankee]

Thank You Tampa Yankee for taking sides. There really was no reason for you to take a personal side in my commentary toward Lucky. But you chose to do so, absent any of your members here doing so.

So Allow me to say this. Lucky needs no defending - Nor did The Criminal Trial Of Scott Adler when you chose to do so and then was forced thru a higher intelligence to recant your policies and beliefs.- And then recanted your policy because of you're enlightened knowledge of it.

Personal attack deleted.

A careful reading of my post reveals that it I wasn't taking sides. I was acting as a referee. Something that an admin/moderator is called upon to do occasionally.

[TampaYankee]

I appreciate that I am welcome over here. Everyone knows who I am and what I believe in. I do not use names that disguise who I am to attack other posters. I am sorry if you felt that I told on you, but you did believe what you said, didn't you?

The Scott Adler situation is now out in the open and will be dealt with by the courts. In the meantime, those who take glee in his situation will make their joy known with an endless supply of nasty remarks. Personally, I don't know if he was selling drugs or not. I think Scott is a smart kid who could have a great future if he didn't let himself make big mistakes while young. But he is not the only one here with fault. If he sold drugs, those who bought from him are just as guilty. Rather than take glee in his situation, they should wonder how to get their own lives back together.

There was a time when Scott and I were at each other's throats.. As he got to know me, our relationship improved. Maybe someday that will happen with Tampa Yankee too. I am always open to making new friends.

I'm in total agreement with these sentiments.

[Guest Matrix]

I'm in total agreement with these sentiments.

Of Course you are Blanche....You'd have to be in a wheelchair not to be.....Oh Wait..

[Guest FourAces]

So now are we free to discuss this issue at length simply because it was published in a New York weekly's gossip column? There are no facts here that we didn't know already, but simply publishing the facts makes it okay? Why was the court record not okay? It said the same thing.

I am not defending Scott Adler's behavior, I am simply wondering why we want to now allow those who don't like him to go at it. If Scott publishes the list of his customers, can we talk about that as well?

What if I say that an escort directly sold drugs to me, hand to hand, is that up for discussion? It's widely known that drugs are rampant in the gay community, and it follows that escorts probably use drugs, and it also follows that many clients use drugs with escorts. That would make for a more productive subject of conversation than the tale of one escort arrested for the same.

Let's not vilify the one who got caught, because that's only the tip of the iceberg.

LOL its news especially when u take into consideration soctts total attitude about drugs as he has posted over and over. plus its of interest because he is supposed to be one of the higher class escorts. if you bought drugs from him then well sad for you. as for his clients lol scott did this himself no one here went out of their way to bring this much attention to themselves.

[Guest FourAces]

Oh goodie! Now anytime I spot any poster from this board I will be able to post his real name and personal Information!

This is a very bad move IMO.ALL posters should feel secure and free from fear of someone disclosing their personal information.This should apply to escorts as well as clients.

be sure to let me know when this is ok to do as i am the king od info from password to ss numbers to emails to phone numbers tgo addresses ... i will gladly play along.

btw wasnt their an escort named harlan something and u had no problem with his personal info being dissclosed if i recall.

[Guest FourAces]

btw anyone who ever read escort speaks knows scotts real name and where he grew up. it hardly was a huge secret.

[TampaYankee]

LOL its news especially when u take into consideration soctts total attitude about drugs as he has posted over and over. plus its of interest because he is supposed to be one of the higher class escorts. if you bought drugs from him then well sad for you. as for his clients lol scott did this himself no one here went out of their way to bring this much attention to themselves.

Speculation and insider information about Scott's past is moot at this point for this forum. Scott's problems are of a public nature with a public resolution down the road. Our interest is in following the public story based on the public record which is a set of facts that has been through some kind of vetting process.

[Guest StuCotts]

...ever since you named me "asshole of the day" over at Hooboy's.

TY -- Did you really? That's so refreshing, not to say out of phase with your persona here, which is that of the politely restrained "nice guy". To be clear, I'm not surprised that you harbored the sentiment, just that you let it all hang out.

A tangent in my capacity as a participant from the farthest and least informed edge of the escort scene. Whenever one of these discussions gouges around in history that's all new to me, I'm bowled over by how virorously the centenary grudges are vented, and also by how plentiful, deep and bitter they are. Not judging, just observing.

[TampaYankee]

TY -- Did you really? That's so refreshing, not to say out of phase with your persona here, which is that of the politely restrained "nice guy".

As admin I don't have the latitude to be a frank as sometimes I might like. An admin's demeanor helps set the tone and atmosphere of the site. That doesn't mean I can't get frank if the occasion calls for it. Even so, I don't feel that I can bring the sharp knives out. Too unseemly.

Whenever one of these discussions gouges around in history that's all new to me, I'm bowled over by how virorously the centenary grudges are vented, and also by how plentiful, deep and bitter they are. Not judging, just observing.

You have no idea. Whatever hints you have gleaned pales in comparison to the original events of years ago. Imagine the cyberspace version of Fight CLub. Over five years HooBoy's website had three full-blow melt downs and scores bloody skirmishes as well as very many great discussions as well. I doubt that I will ever see a site the likes of that again. The community just doesn't exist to support it, anywhere.

Many of those encounters are chronicled in dusty archives that remain accessible today.