Brazilian Saunas

[TampaYankee]

Porto Alegre

he's 24! I have known Daniel over 3 years and is one of the most fun guys Brazil!! , view is out the window of the Sheraton Hotel there

[TampaYankee]

Porto Alegre

William, front and back

[TampaYankee]

Porto Alegre

Mezzininu sauna

[Guest tomcal]

Here's a youtube video link to "Fabio". he was one of the gogo boys/strippers at the saunas and at the disco Leboy in Rio , from 2005 to 2008, he would never "work" at the saunas, but would always be more than willing to meet you at your hotel. He no longer works as a stripper but is still around for visitors!

[stripfan]

my hotel!

I would LOVE to have those 3 in my hotel! Thanks Tomcal!

stripfan

[TampaYankee]

We are pinning this primer due to the recent uptick of inquiries about Brazil by first-timers. Please read for the answers to many questions already addressed. Post other questions here or in other threads below -- whatever seems best suited.

[axiom2001]

Very nice. I feel like I need a shower after that story. Well done !!

Damn, Tom, I felt that I was invisible and inside of that room with you 3. From what you wrote-- you, yourself, seemed to have had a super-great time, and from the guys' response to you-- they must have enjoyed themselves, too!

Some of what you wrote-- brought back my 3way memories of two separate 3ways that I had in Buenos Aires in May of 2010 as well as the first one that I'll always cherish which took place in 2007.

...do hope to have some 3ways when I journey south in 2011.

I'm not as fortunate as you to be able to travel south whenever time allows!

[axiom2001]

William, front and back

William is gorgeous: his face is earth-shattering!

[Guest FourAces]

A very general question about the saunas...

If I were at one and met a guy and took a room there is it safe?

[marcanthony]

A very general question about the saunas...

If I were at one and met a guy and took a room there is it safe?

There are others on this board who are more expert than I, but I will take first crack. I always felt completely safe in all of the saunas that I went to (Rio and Sao Paulo). Once you pick out the boy you want to go with, you go to the "cashier" and pay for a room. They generally give you a key to a room, a towel, and some condoms and lube (another level of "safety"). So management knows which room and which customer and which boy belong together. Generally speaking all of your valuables have already been placed when you first come in into a locker which you took when you paid for entrance.

So far as I could tell... I and my things were very safe in Brazilian saunas.

[Guest lurkerspeaks]

my two cents worth... It is very safe in the saunas.. the saunas themselves have records of all the boys who work there. This is a place of employment for the boys and most of them would not want to jeopardize their source of income by doing something stupid...

You are issued a locker upon arrival and you put your valuables in there... Any purchases made in the sauna are charged to your "account" which is tallied by your locker number..so no money is needed to buy drinks or pay for the cabines at time of use..When you go to leave, they pull up your account and you pay then, either by cash or credit card... your choice.

As far as the boys go, they are paid in cash at the end of your programma, so it is customary that once you are "done" in the room, you go down to your locker to get some cash and the boy usually meets you in the lockeroom.

I have never felt unsafe in the saunas. One thing you do need to be aware of though, is to be sure to check your "bill" before leaving. I have occasionally had a beverage on my account that I did not authorize. Any time that has happened and I brought it to the attention of the attendant, it was always promptly removed. I usually carry cash for the boys, and use a credit card at the saunas, and have never had any issues with credit fraud.

[Guest tomcal]

When you ask "is it safe"? are you referring to being in a suana and being assulted or being robbed by the guy your taking in the room? Either is highly unlikely. Maybe if you left your cellphone/camera laying around in the bar area you would lose it, but that would happen in any bar anywhere.

Mark Anthony is right! I would say going with a guy in a suana is alot safer than having a escort to your hotel room in the U.S. where you are alone and no one knows he's visiting you.

In the saunas 1) the boys are all registered with the sauna and the boys locker key and your's are recorded when you are assigned a room 2)Your surrounded by alot of other guys,(all in towels) 3)You have to take the key to the room back to the desk to return it and if you had a problem you could talk to them. 4)all your valuables are locked in your locker downstairs from the room you in with the guy, so there is really nothing to steal from you except your towel! I have made...100's of trips up to the rooms in the saunas, and the biggest problem is a few times when a guy agreed to bttm and than decided not to, there really is nothing to worry about.

I have heard of some guys having arguments with the boy about how much money he wants, but in my experiene this is the fault of the customer not establishing the price before going upstairs.

[Guest FourAces]

Thanks Marc, Lurker, Tomcal

You guys answered my question about personal safety. Actually it sound very safe inside the sauna .. I like the set up.

I do have one other that comes to mind after reading the replies. If I understand correctly, when you meet a guy to take to a room you negotiate his fee and what is expected first. Is it common to tip the boy afterward as well?

[marcanthony]

Thanks Marc, Lurker, Tomcal

You guys answered my question about personal safety. Actually it sound very safe inside the sauna .. I like the set up.

I do have one other that comes to mind after reading the replies. If I understand correctly, when you meet a guy to take to a room you negotiate his fee and what is expected first. Is it common to tip the boy afterward as well?

Haha... the age old debate. Once again, both lurker and tomcal go more often and have gone more recently, but this question has been raised before for just about every destination that has relatively "inexpensive" sex for pay in fairly large supply (e.g. Thailand, Brazil, etc).

It is common for tourists to go there and bring their own sense of "fairness" to pricing... Typically you have a great time, and feel a combination of generous because of the good time and guilty because of the low price and have the urge to tip excessively.

The locals of course complain that this inflates the sex-trade economy and unnecessarily increases the worker expectation, putting a burden upon those who make up the mainstay regular business.

Everyone will weigh in with their own opinion as to what's proper, and so if you want to take the moderate road, then I would say that a sensible tip if you felt well-treated would be appropriate.

Just as aside... sometimes you may "fall in love" with a particular sauna boy on first meeting and decide to give him an extraordinary tip in order to induce him to return to the sauna tomorrow to see you again. Definitely potential for backfire with this strategy... as many of these guys work in the sauna to pay bills for their family, etc etc and once they make what they need, you won't see them again. So make their weekly quota for them in one crack, and perhaps never see them again for the rest of the week (I speak from experience here... LOL)

[Guest lurkerspeaks]

From my experiences, most of the boys will ask for a rather high amount, such as 100 reias or more at first contact..I usually will counter with what is the going rate of 50 reias, but I also get the point across that if they are really good, there will be a tip. So if it is a good programma where they go "above and beyond", I will give them an additional 20 reias. Remember, that 50 reias is about 28 or so american dollars, and the 20 reias tip is about 12 dollars more. Of course if someone has my undivided attention and is a "must have", I have agreed to 70 reias upfront...Also for someeone have had a repeat performance with who I know the chemistry is good, I might agree to the slightly higher amount.

One thing to remember is that they generally do not cum during a programma. If that is important to you, it needs to be negotiated before hand as they will expect more money to "gozar" since it puts them out of commision for a few minutes..I have found that as the night gets later, you can get the "leche" for less of a mark up.

[Guest tomcal]

I am going to Agree and Disagree with Lurker on this one! :-)

But I think it's important to remember it doesn't mean either of us is wrong but rather everyone has slightly different experience. Lurker is right on regarding the pricing as to what the boys want to start with.

First let me add that Only Americans tip since its part of our culture! The Locals, who are 95%+ of the clientele DO NOT Tip! They also don't pay $50R, their rate is $40.R

I don’t tip! Never have. To put this in perspective, several years ago my friend was building a house in Copacabana. They had to excavate down about 8’ into bedrock using only pick axes and shovels as the street was too narrow to bring a back hoe in. They had 8 guys doing this work in the hot sun. One guy was a extremely hot 19 yr. old with a beautiful body and one day while we were checking out the site I asked the foreman who knew us well, if he would ask the guy for me if he was interested in doing a “programma”? Long story short, after a couple of days the foreman called me and said the boy wanted to know if he could come over tonight? He came over we had a great time and I paid him $50.R, I saw him several times over the next week. About a week later my friend called me up and said “you are no longer allowed at the work site…1/2 jokingly!! LOL Turns out the boy quit and went to work at the sauna! The reason? He got $50R for one hour’s work in an air-conditioned bedroom vs. $35R for 8 hours in the hot sun! If sauna guy only does one customer in an evening (and the good ones do more) he is making more than most if not all of his friends and family. They make more than laborers/retail clerks/restaurant owners/etc. As a test I asked Several of my friends who tipped, to go with the same guys again but not tip and than try it again and see if they noticed any difference in their experiences. None did, nothing changed! I have never had a guy ask for a tip nor not want to go with me again after not tipping him. So this is one of those, if it makes you feel good do it, but not necessary situations. You are already tipping by giving them the higher "american" rate.

“One thing to remember is that they generally do not cum during a programma”... I have to TOTALLY Disagree with Lurker on this!

I think the custom of paying extra if the guy cums started about 5 or 6 years ago, at least that’s when I first heard about it, when one of the popular guys used it on a American and he agreed(names will remain anonomous) . So more boys tried it. I won’t speak for anyone else, but I have never, ever paid extra for a guy to cum and that’s in literally Hundreds of sauna experiences! I do expect them to cum when I am with them, for me it's part of the whole sexual experience. I can honestly say I can’t remember a guy asking me for more money to cum in at least 5 years, and than it only happened a couple of times right after it worked for the boy who tried it on the American.

So in summary, $50 – 70 R is the range, (it’s in the 70’s in Sao Paulo at Lagoa, and there, some boys won’t go with a client that won’t pay 100R, but there are always enough that will), also often when I offer $50, the boy goes no and I go "ok, thank you" and walk away and I would say 90% of the time they will come right back and say "OK".

[Guest lurkerspeaks]

I will definitely concede to Tomcal's viewpoints as the "norm".. I admittedly have only been to Rio for the past two years, so am no where near the sexpert he is... Maybe my perspective on tipping comes from my American background along with my restaurant manager background..

As far as the cumming part, I guess I have not been strong willed enough to insist it as part of the negotiations. In my trips to Rio, with probably 20 programmas, I can only remember one where the boy came without asking for/expecting more money than was originally negotiated. Next time (12 weeks from now).. I will not only ask Cuanto cuesta, activo/passivo, bom beijos, but also, gozar? (how much, top/bottom, good kisses, and cum)

Thanks for the input Tomcal.. Hopefully your advice will make for even more fulfilling encounters when I return in November

[Guest tomcal]

Lurker...just hold don't give in..at least for a minute or two! but I know how hard that is, Especially the first night or two! LOL

Another point to remember is most of these guys working in the sauna are 18 to 22 years old and cummming once an hour is not difficult for them to do!

One of the strippers that I see in Rio, always cums three times in the hour, once he cums the first time he cums again about 5 mins. later and than cums again a couple minutes after that! One of the guys I see every time I am in P.A. always cums twice and as soon as we are done, he's down in the bar looking for the next customer. One time he went with a friend of mine after he had been with me, when my friend came back I said "did he cum for you?" and he goes "yeah twice!" So in under and hour and 1/2 he came 4 times! The most popular guys in the suana will often do 3 or more customers on a busy night. I have to make a caveat here, there are two guys in Rio that I do pay more to, they are both long term friends who I see on every trip and come to the hotel to meet me, I give them $100.R to cover there travel time in from Niteroi, a area of Rio where many of them live which is about 2 hours by bus from Copacabana.

The boys in the saunas talk about us as much as we talk about them, so on your second night there, the boys are going to know your "hot" buttons/what you like to do and what you pay.. I remember one night sitting with 3 of the guys at a table having drinks when a 4th boy ran over and told them how a client just paid him $150.R and the other boys were all asking which one he was so they could go become his new friend!

[TotallyOz]

I learn so much on this site. Thank you guys for the expert advice. I am a tipper. I always have been. Not sure I could not tip but you have given me a lot to think about. Thanks!

[axiom2001]

I forgot to mention where to stay in Porto Alegre! There is a upscale part of the city called "Moinhos de Vento", shops/restaurants/parks set along tree shaded streets in a great area.

The Sheraton there is really nice and has always been my first choice when going there. Second choice is the hotel chain in the same area , the Mercure Manhatten and Mercure Beverly Hills. They are more like Embassy suites here in the U.S. with a living area, small kitchen area and bedroom.

They generally run about $80+ U.S., The Sheraton is around $140. U.S., this one would be one of the higher end ones if it was in the U.S., very nice. They are about a 10 min or less cab ride from the saunas and bars previously mentioned and about 15 min. max from the airport

Tom, you might have already written it elsewhere, but is it easy to take guests back to The Sheraton in Porto Alegre? Or did you do as you formerly did at some of the high end hotels in Rio????? I'd be interested in knowing, for PA is on my list in 2011 during a weekend. Might arrive Thurs. and leave on a Monday.

[Guest tomcal]

Tom, you might have already written it elsewhere, but is it easy to take guests back to The Sheraton in Porto Alegre? Or did you do as you formerly did at some of the high end hotels in Rio????? I'd be interested in knowing, for PA is on my list in 2011 during a weekend. Might arrive Thurs. and leave on a Monday.

Axiom, sorry I didn't see your question until now!

I have never had a problem at the hotels in P.A., bringing back overnight guests! Actually one night at the Sheraton, I had a great night at the saunas and just wanted a good nights sleep. At 2:00 a.m. there was a call from the front desk and they said "Mr. Kaio is here, can we send him up?" it took me a min, since I was sound asleep, but I said "sure"! Kaio is a german blond construction worker who I met 5 years ago and usually see him every trip to Porto Alegre. He doesn't/won't work in the saunas, but hangs in one of the three rentboy bars on the weekends when he needs money. He had heard from one of his friends that I was in town and just showed up at the hotel and being a good host...I invited him to stay the night! :-)

The Mecure Hotels which are my second choice if the Sheraton is full, are also very liberal about the visitor policy.

[TotallyOz]

The Mecure Hotels which are my second choice if the Sheraton is full, are also very liberal about the visitor policy.

Is the Holiday Inn not on your safe list?

[Guest tomcal]

Is the Holiday Inn not on your safe list?

OZ, I have never stayed there, but it's only about a mile from the Shereton so in a decent area. Other than that I don't know anything about it or know anyone who has stayed there.

[Guest tomcal]

I haven't done a update on this section in over three years. Regarding pricing in the saunas. The standard in Rio for me this past year or more has been $100.R(U.S. 41.50 as of today) I haven't paid more than that or less then that in 2013. Some pay more and some may pass less, but I found that I never get a argument from the boys and they always seem happy at this current dollar amount. In Porto Alegre it is less, but enough of them go to other cities and now ask for $100.R if you are new to them. Hope this helps those who had questions about pricing. Remember a lot depends on Your Personality and attitude...I know one American in Rio who pays more because the guys don't like him and charge him more if they have to go through the ordeal of dealing with him. I found this out when he disputed with me that I was only paying $100/R, I talked to some of the guys and they laughed and said they would prefer not to go with him. I get the impression he comes off as arrogant and superior and it is only natural that the guys take offense at this, whether it's intentional on his part or not. I think Lagoa in S.P. is more but don't have enough experience the past year there to say. When I was there a couple months ago, I was there for only one night and met up with one guy at Lagoa and he asked for $150./R($60.+U.S.)

[ihpguy]

Well, I am off the market pretty officially as today we went shopping for wedding rings, but earlier in 2013, nearly everyone at Meio Mundo was happy with 70 and 80Reais. 117 was always a minimum of 80 to 100. A few were asking 120Reais. Very few.

Just always keep in mind that the great majority of the retail people/lojistas at the electronics/appliance stores are making 800-1000Reais/MONTH plus a pittance in commission. This is for 40-45hours/week. So...you do the math. 40minutes with a spooge for a net of 60-70-80Reais is not bad money if they can do two programas in a few hours.

My friend who visits me from the US 2-3 times per year for normally 9-10 days, never asks how much they want. He just says Oi-TEN-ta com gozar. He maybe gets turned down 1 time in 10, and of the few that at first say no, almost always come back.