FORUM PARTICIPATION

[Guest epigonos]

Hey guys just what exactly does it take to get a thread going around here??? The review process on this site is, in my opinion, far superior to that on the other site BUT the forum participation around here SUCKS. I posted the exact same thread entitled "CURRENT HIRING PRACTICES" on both sites. On the the other side the thread has twelve responses not including my three additional ones. On this site the responses has totaled exactly 0. Frankly I would like to post my reviews and participate on the forums RIGHT HERE but thus far that hasn't been possible. Let's get going guys, wake up and start making provocative and interesting posts in which we can all become involved. Ok so maybe mine haven't been all that provocative but damn at least I am trying.

[TampaYankee]

epigonos,

I was tempted to respond to your post on hiring practices but as site admin I have had to abandon my client hat for the referee striped shirt. That hold for many topics that have come up. That and, in my past experiences, my posts tend to kill a thread faster than a whif of cyanide.

TY

[flguy]

This site that OZ and TY put together I feel in every way is far superior and more importantly timely and much much more professionally run. I have said before the exact thing that Epiginos is voicing, I can't understand why the forum has never taken off. More importantly I feel the people behind this site have spent their time putting together a place that is more civil and appears to be run with the client/escort placed first in priority as opposed to making profits. A perfect example is when all members were going to have to upgrade and pay for membership if they wanted certain perks. The decision to allow participating members a "Free" membership was something that rings of the old "HooBoy" days. I don't think you ever have to worry that Daddy will do anything special for you or actually even care about the participants. How many clients have tried to post reviews on the other site and have not had their reviews posted? And Daddy and Deej's response???? Well, we all know what their response is. Not exactly as HooBoy had originally intended. The admin's of this site CARE, a perfect reason to support this site and forum. I guess we all need to make a more concerted effort to respond to the message boards and try to up the ante on communicating. Thanks OZ and TY for the opportunity you have placed before us.

[TownsendPLocke]

fl guy wrote"Epiginos is voicing, I can't understand why the forum has never taken off. More importantly I feel the people behind this site have spent their time putting together a place that is more civil "

And therein lies the answer of why(well one reason) this site has not taken of like gang busters.

There was(is) a LOT of sniping going on at the other site,some of it done by the priciples.

This site is civil,and the Owner and mod's have not,and will not,tolerate the sort of bashing of posters and-more importantly-certain escorts who have done nothing wrong.

This deprives many trolls of their very life blood,and makes it less than intersting for drama queens to stir up shit.

A very wecome change from "the other site"and I thank Totally Oz.Tampa Yankee,and Barry for creating a comfortable place for all of us.

The site IS growing,but it still is in a growth process.

Meanwhile the Posters to this thread are very welcome to increase the traffic by reccomending it to friends and by posting their experiences regarding escorts and other fun stuff.

[Guest chillmaster01]

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[Guest epigonos]

Would somebody P-L-E-A-S-E explain to me just exactly what chillmaster01 is trying to say. I have always believed that my English comprehension was pretty damn good but I'm lost.

[Guest chillmaster01]

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[Guest Scorpio]

Would somebody P-L-E-A-S-E explain to me just exactly what chillmaster01 is trying to say. I have always believed that my English comprehension was pretty damn good but I'm lost.

No offense intended, but I rarely comprehend what pj4florida/calimusic01/chillmaster01 is trying to say. But my take on his post is that he is upset with Tampa Yankee for requiring him (Chillmaster01) to expand and clarify his reviews with details that he (chillmaster01) believes are unnecessary. My interpretation is that chillmast01 contends that TY only wants the additional details for titalation purposes. Chillmaster01 sometimes isn't comfortable with this and he thinks the reviews are descriptive enough.

So Chillmaster01 has had enough and he's not going to take it anymore. So he's packing up his marbles and going back to the other place, because reviews aren't editorialized there (chillmaster01's opinion...not mine).

I think that's the jist of it, but chillmaster01 promises in this post to expound upon his dissatisfaction over at the place.

[beetwo]

Well it is kinda like why post on a site that everytime I write a review TY is determine that he does not like its content and makes you change it. Why bother writing on an open review site or bother with a site that is so editorialized. I think anyone that reads my reviews on www.daddysreviews.com will say they are highly informative and accurate reviews but TY seems to think that they are not. I also post under name pj4florida depending on what site I am on or calimusic01.

I am pretty pissed at TY for I feel unless a review is fake or inaccurate that it should stand as written. My reviews are accurate honest and to the point. Sometimes I go into high detail if I am comfortable or in case of most recent review while I like the guy and it is a good review I did not. I have attached a copy of my review below that he has refused as not informative enough. He must be wacked in my opinion and I feel it is inproper and not in best interest of readers to have someone that requires the comments be so explicit all the time when not necessary

Experience :

Well I finally was able to see Noah and while I didn't know that much about him he is awesome and deserves to be complimented.

He is one awesome body and a huge package and is one of the hottest guys I have met.

If you like someone with a huge Hard package and a ass to die for you got your man.

Besides all that he was truly very nice gentleman

Now I can understand how he has done a couple Porns as he has the body and moves in his ass

Maybe it is not into graphic details but it is in fact my thoughts

PJ

[beetwo]

Well it is kinda like why post on a site that everytime I write a review TY is determine that he does not like its content and makes you change it. Why bother writing on an open review site or bother with a site that is so editorialized. I think anyone that reads my reviews on www.daddysreviews.com will say they are highly informative and accurate reviews but TY seems to think that they are not. I also post under name pj4florida depending on what site I am on or calimusic01.

I am pretty pissed at TY for I feel unless a review is fake or inaccurate that it should stand as written. My reviews are accurate honest and to the point. Sometimes I go into high detail if I am comfortable or in case of most recent review while I like the guy and it is a good review I did not. I have attached a copy of my review below that he has refused as not informative enough. He must be wacked in my opinion and I feel it is inproper and not in best interest of readers to have someone that requires the comments be so explicit all the time when not necessary

Experience :

Well I finally was able to see Noah and while I didn't know that much about him he is awesome and deserves to be complimented.

He is one awesome body and a huge package and is one of the hottest guys I have met.

If you like someone with a huge Hard package and a ass to die for you got your man.

Besides all that he was truly very nice gentleman

Now I can understand how he has done a couple Porns as he has the body and moves in his ass

Maybe it is not into graphic details but it is in fact my thoughts

PJ

So he was a hot looking, nice guy. That's all I need to fly him to me for an overnight.

[caeron]

Would somebody P-L-E-A-S-E explain to me just exactly what chillmaster01 is trying to say. I have always believed that my English comprehension was pretty damn good but I'm lost.

My guess is reviews got rejected because they didn't contain enough detail.

I find the reviews that say something like "Omigod, he was so hot, heavenly hosts sang and god spoke to me.... but what happened between us will remain between us."

There is nothing there that helps me make a hiring decision. I'm guessing TY said as much and upset our friend who thought such reviews were valuable.

But... I really don't know, I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.

[TotallyOz]

I am sorry that some get offended by TY's comments. However, he and I both feel very strongly that reviews have substance in order for them to be of value to readers. I have read too many reviews over the years that were a few sentences and did little to help me in my evaluation of the escort being reviewed. TY turns down many reviews for this reason. He did the same thing on one of my reviews and asked that I change it to add more information. I agree with him and did it. It was better for the escort and helped him to get more work and made the review easier for others to judge the experience. As for me, I didn't get offended in the least. I thought it was something that was a way for me to improve the review and I respected TY's opinion. I have known this man for years and he is nothing if not consistent and honest. He is also good with trying to make sure all reviews that are published here are valuable to clients. I hope others don't get offended as he is really trying to do the best for all of us.

[TampaYankee]

My guess is reviews got rejected because they didn't contain enough detail.

I find the reviews that say something like "Omigod, he was so hot, heavenly hosts sang and god spoke to me.... but what happened between us will remain between us."

There is nothing there that helps me make a hiring decision. I'm guessing TY said as much and upset our friend who thought such reviews were valuable.

But... I really don't know, I'm just trying to read the tea leaves.

Pretty good tea leaves reading, caeron. That pretty much sums it up.

I'm not revealing any confidences here in that pj has posted his review experience, the escort, and his posting names. So here is my response to his review.

chillmaster/pj/calimusic

I would love to publish a review for Noah. However, we have been around this track before. A review contains more than a description of and testimonial for the escort. It is nice to know that you had a good time with Noah but without facts about the experience your peer clients are left in the dark about whether Noah will mean a good time for them. After all, the purpose of reviews is to share information among clients to determine which escorts are compatilble and provide good service.

Please consider sharing the facts of your experience with your fellow clients. I'm sure they will be most appreciative and that it will be very good for Noah's business. No need to re-submit the review. Just send revised experience in reply to this email and I will add to your review.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to your reply so that Noah's review can be scheduled for posting.

Thanks again.

TY

I send out one or another variation of this response to submitted reviews that give little indication of the factual nature of the experience. Usually glowing accolades and testimonials are given. While testimonials about the escort and the 'great time had' without further explanation are nice, they are insufficient to give other prospective clients a good idea what they can expect and how the reviewer's ambiguous good time translates to their potential experience. Our review library is not intended to be a listing of 'great guys that are available'. Some may be satisfied with that. Many are not. We are not. Such announcements are welcome in The Buffet.

The purpose of a review is to share INFORMATION about escorts among clients. This includes sharing experiences. We do not seek lurid details, just facts. The style of presentation is left to the reviewer. I never ask for style, only facts. Styles ranging from Grey's Anatomy to Masters and Johnson to The Story of O are acceptable. Their is no required length of description requested or even mentioned. A simple sentence or two may suffice, or the reviewer may write paragraphs -- his choice as long readers can conclude how the experience relates to their preferences.

Not everyone is comfortable with writing a review that includes facts about an intimate experience. I faced that issue on my first review. In the end I decided that others had done me the favor by writing factual reviews about my first two hires. I'm not sure I would have followed through with those appointments without reviews. (That is how I discovered HooBoy's.) I wanted to provide some payback. Again, not everyone is comfortable with that. They are not comfortable writing a review.

PJ puts forth that I have some agenda. It is true, I do. That agenda is to provide the client community a library of relevant useful information based on client experiences about escorts.The purpose is to facilitate matching good escorts with clients that share compatible interests. Nothing more. If I were doing this for my own personal prurient interest I'd tube all reviews about tops, all reviews about condom covered BJs and dry kisses and... Also, if I was looking to read porn, there are many more consistent quality sources available.

I don't get a charge out of following up reviews by working with reviewers to share their experiences in a way that helps the community. It is work, not fun. But then running a good site is work. It is a lot easier to post whatver comes in but I dont think it is in the best interest of the community for us to store the chaff with the wheat. Others differ with that philosophy, content to let the readers sift through the chaff for the wheat.

I stand ready to work with any reviewer who wishes to share his experience in a way helpful to his peers. That is my job and I take it seriously. Testimonials are welcome in The Buffet.

[Guest Scorpio]

I am sorry that some get offended by TY's comments.

I, for one, was not upset. I happen to agree with TY's position. I think HooBoy used to call these particular types of reviews "Press Releases". A few would occasionally slip through as I remember, but Hoo didn't really like publishing them from what I recall.

I sometimes think my reviews tend to be a little verbose and spend more time setting the stage, as opposed to sharing the actually intimate details. But I agree without at least some of the intimate details, the review doesn't offer what most in the community are looking for. I don't review every encounter because sometimes sharing the intimate details is more difficult than others. It's not that I didn't have a good time in those situations; it just sometimes harder to paint the picture. In those cases, I refrain from submitting what for me would be a "half-ass" effort. But in those instances I might offer a few words of praise on the forums if someone was seeking information.

[caeron]

Thank you TY.

And to our upset friend. I have no relationship to this site other than as a user. I want you to know know that I want more details. I'm sorry if it upsets you, but what you wrote about Noah doesn't tell me what I need to know to make a decison. Is he a top or a bottom? Did he do oral? Did you?

Many people enjoy muscle worship sessions. I don't. I have particular desires from escorts, and if you don't tell me what the two of you did, I have no way of knowing if the escort can satisfy my desires.

TY isn't being a jerk about reviews. He's asking you to include enough detail that others might understand if your experience with the escort will help them know if the escort is right for them.

If you're unwilling to provide this detail, then you're not really helping me, another client trying to find escorts who meet my needs.

[Guest EurythmicThrust]

As a relative newbie to this site, i'll venture my two pence:

Recently, i just posted my first review on MER, which happened to be with one of the most popular, and IMO, elite escorts out there. Because it was my first review, i took my time reading many other reviews on this site and that other site to get a feel of what "makes" a well written, informative review. I determined that a helpful review incorporates many different elements, such as physical description (are escorts pix accurate, or even his pix?), the escorts character and disposition and attitude, and a moderate indication of what kind of fun was had with said escort. I feel i can "drop" enough clues and playful suggestiveness without having to write an explicit XXX-rated porno script.

Much like what Scorpio alluded to his style, I tend to write in a style that sets up the scene and characters involved, and how the session went down (or WHO went down!). Some of the best reviews I've read on here were by Platinum...err..SilverDollar and OZ...i truly felt they gave me a sense of their time with the escort as opposed to who was boning who or banal platitudes of appreciation that said escort was "sweet" or "wonderful" or "truly amazing" (the platitude that annoys me the most!). For me to investigate further and make an appointment with an escort that is "truly amazing", i need some detail as to WHY that escort was "truly amazing": Did he open the car door for you? Did he carry on a respectful conversation and show true interest in what you had to say? Did his body language during sex illicit positive energy and expressive enjoyment that elevated the experience to actually book him again? These three examples justify IN MY BOOK, a 'truly amazing experience".

One last note on reviews from my prospective: I've noticed that most of the members here who have had the unfortunate luck of having a "bad" experience take great pains to mention the positives about the escort-when there were positives to mention- that the encounter had failed either to the two individuals being a bad match, or those truly unpleasant instances where the escort simply was, for whatever reason, a "bad' escort for that session. This pendulum swings both ways though: I am sure that several escorts out there could chime in on bad clients or bad sessions (start another thread, boys!).

This little playground that we all frolic in is, to me, very much like a trip to the casino: We are dealing with money (for the time only, of course!), and we are taking our chances- sometimes you hit the jackpot, and sometimes you bust.

(I see new rule that TY will impose: No one is allowed to be jacked up on RedBull and posting essay-like posts after 1am!) I went from 2 pence to about 50 Euro with this post!

[flguy]

Here is a great example of what many guys have been talking about, this appears in today's reviews on the other site. A first time review by a first time reviewer. Sorry, but it tells me absolutely nothing.

http://www.daddysreviews.com/newest.php?wh...ston&page=0

[Guest chillmaster01]

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[caeron]

I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of how many reviews you've written. I don't pay attention to that for anybody. I look at individual reviews. If an individual review isn't helpful to me, it doesn't matter that you've written 20 other helpful reviews.

The top section I view as only a repeat of what the escort posts about himself. I've seen reviews that say 'bottom' but the body of the review makes clear it was only mutual oral.

If you can find no more detail to provide, then perhaps don't do a review on that escort?

[Guest epigonos]

This thread has taken a fascinating turn. I must admit I have difficulty understanding guys who write reviews but insist on doing so in an extremely oblique and vague manner. I must assume that those of us who either lurk or participate on this site are interested in ESCORTS. We either like to think and read about them or we like to hire and write about them. One of the major reasons I really enjoy working with escorts is the total honesty that I am afforded by doing so. The escort sees me without the pretense and camouflage of clothing – no secrets there. I can be totally honest with him regarding exactly what I want to do with him sexually – no secrets there. An experienced escort is NEVER shocked by anything a client says or asks. After all he has most likely heard it all before thus one need not feel any restraint in asking. The only thing a “good†client understands is that if the escort says NO to a request the answer is NO and they proceed from there.

Now as far as writing highly “detailed†and “descriptive†reviews is concerned the anonymity of this site allows a reviewer to be as lurid as his literary skills allow WITHOUT the fear of discovery. It is perfectly safe for the reviewer to say that a certain escorts has a great cock for sucking and that he did so joyously for an hour and NOBODY BUT NOBODY will know who the hell he really is. I wish somebody could explain to me what exactly it is that restrains these guys from writing the important FACTS regarding their sexual encounters with escorts. As far as I’m concerned the two key words in the previous sentence are “sexual encountersâ€. On this site, to the best of my knowledge, we are reviewing sexual encounters not social ones. So come on guys tell us about what the escort’s face, body, cock, and ass look like AND how he uses those attributes AND how he relates to his clients. I for one need to know these facts if the review is going to assist me in deciding which escorts to hire in the future.

[TampaYankee]

This thread has taken a fascinating turn....

... On this site, to the best of my knowledge, we are reviewing sexual encounters not social ones.

That is not exactly the case. We do accept reviews for massage, travel companions, muscle worship/wrestling, etc. There need not be a sexual aspect. There is sufficent client interest in the community for reviews of these genres and we are happy to accommodate. We mark the reviews accordingly.

What we do not accept as received are reviews that indicate one of these genres in passing and then imply that much more happened. In those cases I ask for some elaboration of the experience and reassess the review. If not forthcoming I determine if there is enough content about the massage or travel experience to warrant posting a review. If so then I reclassify the review as travel companion or muscle worhship etc. and post. That conveys useful information to those with such interests.

The criterion is that the experience be revelant to community interests, that there be substantive content to the experience and substantive description of that content.

[Guest chillmaster01]

I'm sorry, but I'm not aware of how many reviews you've written. I don't pay attention to that for anybody. I look at individual reviews. If an individual review isn't helpful to me, it doesn't matter that you've written 20 other helpful reviews.

The top section I view as only a repeat of what the escort posts about himself. I've seen reviews that say 'bottom' but the body of the review makes clear it was only mutual oral.

If you can find no more detail to provide, then perhaps don't do a review on that escort?

I probably could have waited but since this was his first review and he DOES NOT have a profile on here and fact that there was a 411 request on here I thought I would rush the review to street. I don't believe that what I wrote and upper content was that deficient or lacking even as complete review. I definately felt there was merit in its content and enough information and some information on him was better than no information as he is new to Tampa and escorting.

I could be wrong but especially being others were asking about him I felt a middle inforation review was better than no review at all.

Everything we did is pretty much in there as it was not an extended session and this was not his fault as he was awesome at what I wanted for this session as I usually see extended overnights but wanted to meet and get to know if interested in him.

I just feel that reviews are up to reviewer and whether as potential clients we like or digest content that is up to us to decide and not some editor to dictate what we say or amount of disclosure. Moderators should should only worry about if fake or fraud not whether detailed on whether I was able to penetrate deeply. I published above what I said in explanation and think along with top information there is sufficient information of our contact to determine whether someone wishes to explore that person or not. They also have the ability to private message me for specific details if I am so inclined to share.

I just hate fact that someone would want to have dictated what a submitter would say in review that is why it is a review it is there opinion and comments and not some National Enquire Publication

[caeron]

Chillmaster,

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. As a reader of the site, I do want that form of editorial direction.

[Guest epigonos]

All my life I have been accused, quite fairly, of always insisting on going immediately to the bottom line of any discussion, disagreement or dispute â€â€œ I hate wasting time in pointless blabber. The bottom line in this discussion or disagreement is that whoever owns a participation web site MAKES THE RULES. If we don’t like a certain rule we can, at least here, request a change. If the change is forthcoming that ends the dispute. If the change request is refused we then have three choices we can: 1.) accept the rule as is, 2.) abandon the site and go somewhere else or 3.) start a site of our own where we can make whatever rules we wish. Number three is, I believe, the reason this very site exists. The founders did not like the manner in which Hooboys successors ran his site so they moved on and started this one.

Now if someone is sincerely unhappy with this site they might always consider moving their future reviews and their comments over to www.daddysreviews.com. Personally I find the review process here MUCH more expeditious and I also MUCH prefer the format of the review information questionnaire. I continue to participate on the forums on daddy’s site because a larger number of people post and although several people here feel they have been treated unfairly and or rudely by daddy or deej that has not been my personal experience. There is, however, one thing on the other site that drives me absolutely bonkers. Now guys I am perfectly aware that the point I am about to make is silly. I am 67 years old and even when I was a child I DID NOT call my own father daddy. I feel like a total fool addressing an adult male who is probably young than I am daddy.